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NJ governor : family earning 5317$ a year is too rich for medicaid

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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Wut? That's either total ignorance on the cost of life or total ``screw the poor`` statement right there.

Gov. Christie Thinks A Family Making $6,000 A Year Is Too Rich To Qualify For Medicaid

Adults in a family of three that makes as little as $103 a week would earn too much to qualify for health care provided by Medicaid under a sharply curtailed program Gov. Chris Christie wants the federal government to approve this year, according to state officials and advocates briefed on the proposal.[...]

The Christie administration is expected to propose cutting the maximum income level of Medicaid from $24,645 to $5,317 a year for a family of three [...]

“That is about a third of the poverty level,” Castro said. “That means that an uninsured parent working full time at a minimum-wage job wouldn’t be eligible. … A parent who works half-time for minimum wage wouldn’t even qualify.

That's insane.

5317$ a year... for THREE PEOPLE... Just a crappy apartment rent is already ALMOST 5000$ a year. With that, no food, no car, no bus pass, no school, no NOTHING.

Food for a family of 3 probably costs 103$ a week. Especially with food prices skyrocketing.

If you earn 6k$ a year, and you get sick, or your kid gets sick, you are screwed.

What kind of sicko this bastard is?
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Chris Christie is a fatass, he needs that extra money to buy more food.


That was quick.


I don't know what to say about Christie on this one. For the most part he's done pretty well so far for New Jersey. While I don't like all the social programs that are bankrupting both the more liberal states and america as a whole, this is a bit of a quick yank of the rug. There is nobody actually living on less than $6k a year in NJ, I can tell you that.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
What kind of sicko this bastard is?


He's a libertarian that opposes socialism. Not uncommon around this forum.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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Nobody qualifies for medicaid it seems, my mom was taken off of it. My dad is retired. I don't know how much my dad gets from his social security, but I guess they think it's enough for my moms meds, she has high blood pressure and diabetes and she takes insuline.

Who qualifies for medicaid?



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Vitchilo
What kind of sicko this bastard is?


His a libertarian advocate that opposes socialism. Not uncommon around this forum.

Medicaid make the prices of drugs go up artificially.

Kill medicaid and the prices of drugs will go down.

But you can't just cut medicaid to poor people WHILE MEDICAID IS STILL GOING ON... otherwise it screws people.

The guy might say he's a libertarian, but he's not one.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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His wife make 500K a year trading in NYC and plus he took a private helicopter ride to his sons baseball game which costs 1500/hr to operate.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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ok yell at me

but if all youi earn is $5317 you need to get a second job.

anyone earning under 10lk a year and pays not taxes

medicaid is tax money taken from other people

medicaid is paid to people who dont want to find another job or even a second job.

people do have medicare taken out of their check it should be no different.

if insurance is so important to people buy your own oh and its now a federal law to have health insurance

but wait for it if its a federal law to have health insurance then medicaid is not needed.


sorry but you cant have it both ways.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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If he had intellectual honesty he'd just say NJ won't offer Medicaid. I promise you not a single person alive in NJ can live off that amount unless they live on the street and beg.

Americans, aren't we the cruelist of "civil" societies.

I am telling you, in few years, America will be awash with homeless families begging for your mostly eaten BigMacs at every street corner. You'll pass by them with disgust, maybe telling the little kid to get out of your way.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Kill medicaid and the prices of drugs will go down.


Ok, so first you call out Christie for cutting medicaid for many poor families, and then you respond to my post by telling me that we should kill off medicaid all together? Is this a sound argument here? And how does medicaid keep the prices of drugs down? You do know that private drug companies are in the business of making profit, not cutting down the price whenever "theory" deems it necessary.


But you can't just cut medicaid to poor people WHILE MEDICAID IS STILL GOING ON... otherwise it screws people.

The guy might say he's a libertarian, but he's not one.


Ah ok, so you don't oppose Christies measure to eliminate medicaid for the poor, you just don't like the fact the manner in which it is done? So what do you want??

You want to completely eliminate medicaid, but you don't want to do what Christy does.

You want to phase out medicaid right? So what do we do? Shall we start at th $25,000 income cap and gradually drop medicare out for those families? You're going to get private medical insurance companys to gradually cover them right? Why do you think those families are on medicaid in the first place?

1.They can't afford it, healthcare insurance costs have more than doubled over the last 10 years.
2. Most of these families have members with pre-existing conditions that do not fit certain healthcare standards, what about them?
3. Medicare? I suppose you want to phase out medicare as well right? Those millions of seniors right? Both programmes are socialist right?

You cannot have your cake and eat it to. Either you oppose with Christie is doing or not. Frankly I don't sympathize all that much with your OP because clearly you agree with what he is doing, you just don't like to admit it.

Christie seems more Libertarian to me that many of the other libertarians in the media and even on this forum, he's by the least more upfront about it. Doesn't hide the reality of what it really is.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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Christie is a typical modern day depraved Republican, who like those other republican governors in Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, and other states are all a disgrace to the human race.

This republican tide, as the republican maniacs in congress are also, the new Nazis.

They are feverish in their desire to destroy the lower and middle classes and bring this country back to serfdom.

As for Christy doing good in NJ . . . that's not the case

Crime is up all over the state because he cut aid to cities, and cities have lain off hundreds of cops and firemen.

He cut aid to senior citizens

1 billion and a half aid to the schools
Just recently the hypocrite got caught ridding around to his sons ball game in the state helicopter.

His poll numbers are way down because people now see him for the ignorant hypocrite and cold hearted person he is.

www.nytimes.com...

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:00 PM
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people cant afford healthcare it is the government beaurcracy and regulation that has driven those costs up.

theres no competition that drives costs down.


since the federal government has now mandated every american to have health insurance

medicare and medicaid are not needed.

you cant have all 3.

if people pay their own way there is a savings of 2 trillion dollars right there.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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I don't doubt you, OP. But I have to say this post could be misleading.

Earned income versus other sources of income (i.e. a military income for a disabled vet OR social security income from a deceased spouse/parent) all counts as income. So a family "making" this amount of 5k should at least qualify for Medicaid for dependent children.

But the parent's will not qualify. Is there some reason why this family's income is so low? Is there a medical reason? If there is, then the family should qualify for other services.

If not, the parents just have to suck it up. I don't mean to sound horrible here but no one owes me anything.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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Ah ok, so you don't oppose Christies measure to eliminate medicare for the poor, you just don't like the fact of how does it in that manner. So what do you want?

I'm saying if he's a libertarian, he should act like one and not screw poor people because he does only half the job. If he does only half the job, he's not a libertarian, he's screwing the poor to save money for corporate overlords.

Cut drug subsidies before cutting medicaid to poor people.


I am telling you, in few years, America will be awash with homeless families begging for your mostly eaten BigMacs at every street corner. You'll pass by them with disgust, maybe telling the little kid to get out of your way.

Yeah it already exists. A boatload of families live in tent cities...
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
1 billion and a half aid to the schools
Which needed to be cut. He doesn't decide where the money goes in the school system, the boards do that. It's the school boards that then decided to cut programs and teachers rather than shrink the number of districts and unnecessary administrative staff.


Just recently the hypocrite got caught ridding around to his sons ball game in the state helicopter.

Eh, he shouldn't just like none of them should, but all the governor's in NJ have done this for about 40 years now, with one exception, (McGreevy's temporary replacement IIRC) Also, as far as anyone yet knows, he hasn't abused it to the extent others have. So I'm not worried about it just yet.



His poll numbers are way down because people now see him for the ignorant hypocrite and cold hearted person he is.

His poll numbers are down because poll numbers always go down. Everybody loves the new guy and then, "oh wait, you mean he has to actually do stuff?" rabble rabble rabble. Nobody in this state has woken up to anything.

As long as he's better than Corzine he will never be a bad governor.

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
people cant afford healthcare it is the government beaurcracy and regulation that has driven those costs up.


People depend on programmes like medicare and medicaid because they can't afford private health insurance. There are millions of other americans who don't qualify for those programmes all together. So what do you oppose? Were you appaulled by what Christie did? What? You think private healthcare insurance companies are going to take in those millions when we cut these programmes? Right. But government baurcracy right?

I can tell you one thing, private businesses are set to make millions more with the elimination of these programmes. Why on earth would they bother to take in the millions of people left out of these programmes considering they are costly to cover? Or they can't afford the coverage? Where on earth do you get this idea?

The private industry is out to make a profit and the more folks are left out of coverage, the more valuable insurance coverage becomes. You want to talk about rationing healthcare? Private health insurance companies and drug companies do a good job of it, and they make a killing.


theres no competition that drives costs down.


You're right, there will be less competition, because no private company in their right mind will take in the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions, or those who can't afford it.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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like i said of people cant afford insurance it is because of the government.

the reasons private healthcare works better than medicaid and medicare is the simple facts

that they make a profit and how do they make a profit?

by people going 20 and 30 years without ever using it

unlike medicare that people use everday and the government dictates its usage.

and unlike medicaid where that money is stolen straight from the working class and the so called well to do.

the government created this situation like every other problem in this country to usurp more power and stay in power.

i swear every single job i have ever had i have had insurance back in the day when i was working 15 hour days and driving 2 hours to and from work.

i honestly cant stand people who sit back and think the government is the answer to their problems

they are the root cause of them.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
I'm saying if he's a libertarian, he should act like one and not screw poor people because he does only half the job. If he does only half the job, he's not a libertarian, he's screwing the poor to save money for corporate overlords.


What on earth do you think is going to happen when you eliminate these government programmes Vitchilo?? Do you really believe that private insurance companies will take in those millions left out? Do you believe it will be profitable for them to take in the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions from these government programmes? What about those who can't afford the insurance premiums?? Considering costs have been increasing over the years??

You want to eliminate these programmes, but you can't handle the end result. This isn't candy land, it's the real world. What works in theory under libertarianism doesn't fit reality. Fact is, private businesses will not assume coverage for those millions left out following the elimination of these healthcare programmes. It's not profitable, these private insurers make businesses as the result of keeping people like the elderly and poor out.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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like i said of people cant afford insurance it is because of the government.

the reasons private healthcare works better than medicaid and medicare is the simple facts


Obviously private halthcare works better, because it's private and costly. It doesn't mean it will work for everybody. You say that we need to eliminate government programmes to deal with this health crises. Which private healthcare insurer is going to assume coverage for the millions of elderly and poor? Really? Do you think they'll cut prices down with the elimintation of these two programmes? You think they'll cut down their own profits as the result of this?

How on earth do you think the elderly and poor are dependent on these programmes in the FIRST place?? Because I agree with you, private healthcare is so much better, why is it that the poor and elderly are not going for it? Please explain this for me, because you continiously spout this "theory" and that "theory" and you fail to explain the reality of the matter.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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We currently have an unemployment rate of over 9% they have just admitted that they are juggling the figures which in reality are much higher. Another large portion of the working people are under employed. This is not the fault of the people this is the fault of our cowardly leaders, When Clinton left office there was a large surplus where did it go? Bushs 2 wars costing well over a trillion dollars. Obamas loans to banks while they steal peoples retirements and savings for emergency. Bail outs for companies who pay no taxes and move off shore. Now that everybody is broke the general population are turning on each other and still not hold the ones responsible while they continue living the good life What is wrong with everybody? You so jealous and greedy that you worry about the person next door might gret something your not while TPTB are walking off with it all. This is the time to at least blame the right people. Hold them accountable not the people who have been put out of work and thrown out of their homes.



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