Charlie Rangel; In order to cut spending, we have to raise taxes.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by The Old American

 

i hope your 13 year old still isnt playing with toys.

aint it about time to ween him off the gi joe with the kung fu grip?

edit on 3-6-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Nerf guns and Legos. But an ample supply of both.

And you, sir, are dating yourself with that "kung fu grip" reference! Glad to know I'm not the only old American!

/TOA

reply to post by The Old American


yeah lol i am old

funny tho people think i am younger i just never grew up in some ways.

reply to post by beezzer


While I disagree with Rangel's notion that we must raise taxes to cut spending, if we are to bring this debt down, part of our efforts will have to involve raising taxes. 7 years of the bush trickle tax system did nothing but get corporations off scot free while they shifted jobs over seas, hired illegals, and cut the rest of the countrie's employment into pieces. Cutting taxes are good, when the economy is good. It does absolutely nothing but to allow additional funds to be hidden under bed's and closets. I can assure you, if we are to bring down this debt, an increase in tax will be inevitable. Reagan knew about this inevitability as did Bush senior, they both ended up raising taxes.

Cut spending (Cut military funding in half, reform medicare/medicaid)
Increase taxes
Withdraw bases from around the world
Regulate whom businesses hire, that's right, regulate, because we have 12 million illegals in this country, and I have to question what's keeping them here, and who's paying for them. We can run around about the border this and the border that and how all hispanics must show their birth certificates, but that ain't ganna solve the entire situation.

I know I know, it's before the election season, gotta powder yourselves up to make good for the voters, nobody likes the tax man, down with the IRS, ladi da.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by beezzer

 

Cutting taxes are good, when the economy is good.

The other side of this is "Raising taxes is bad, when the economy is bad." People are already hurting financially. Do you really think it's a good idea to exacerbate it?

Cut spending (Cut military funding in half, reform medicare/medicaid)
Increase taxes
Withdraw bases from around the world
Regulate whom businesses hire, that's right, regulate, because we have 12 million illegals in this country, and I have to question what's keeping them here, and who's paying for them. We can run around about the border this and the border that and how all hispanics must show their birth certificates, but that ain't ganna solve the entire situation.

With the exception of increasing taxes, I can get behind everything in that list. I would add Social Security reform to it, though.

/TOA

reply to post by centurion1211


I agree with that it's just getting down right stupid in Washington, I'm sorry for my bone head comment but in this case Rangel was and is being an idiot by saying that spending cuts can't be made. Like this for instance from the GAO about duplicate programs costing 100 Billion dollars. blog.heritage.org...

That is complete incompetence for something like that to happen and I love the thought of sunset commissions for government programs and loans.

PS: here's a great website dedicated to eliminating government waste for those interested: www.cagw.org...

Haha this is definitely in the political MADNESS forum.

No sense from the false dichotomies.

Raise taxes on the filthy rich and corporations that pay zero - especially the ones that steal our resources and sell them back to us, and stop gov't spending.

Just saying raise taxes or cut taxes without specifying on what demographic is just ignorant.

Everyone who thinks the federal gov't has no role has never heard of Statoil. No, its not socialist. It is freaking awesome. The federal gov't can make investments with resources that we ALL own in order to provide basic services such as healthcare and financial aid for students, and of course defense. Everything else is a bureaucratic mess and infringes on our civil liberties.

Local economies must thrive and states should be the primary level of gov't. The USA should be 50 different colors on a map.

Corporate welfare and bailing out too big to fail is not free markets and is financial terrorism.

Now that I got that rant off my chest... who is this Charlie guy...

reply to post by beebs

especially the ones that steal our resources

with resources that we ALL own i

i laugh at comments like those "we own" did you do the work? did you pay the overhead? did you go out and find them? do youi do any refining or brought it to market? did you spend the billions to make all that happen?


corporations do pay taxes people seem to miss the fact a corporation is a broad stroke of the brush paint large and small and people who work and make everything in this country.

yeah too big to fail does need to end

a government that is too big to fail
welfare that is too big to fail

the largest and richest corporations will simple just pick and and move and then who are you going to work for?

where are you going to get your loans? who are you going to get to build your house or the materials need for its construction..

what are you going to do for an automobile? or the parts needed to maintain it? the clothes you wear? the food you eat? the power you use to heat and cool your home?

and so on and so forth.

i swear i wish people would fathom the depth of comments like those i really do.

Rangel must have some sort of hush-hush arrangement with either a current administration
or with the Congressional Whip....because he's always shooting off his mouth

i recall him trying to reinstitute the military draft... well, before Øbama anyhow...
it must have been when GW was the commander-in-chief

OK...I'll bite I guess...his logic makes little sense to me but I'll bite...

I'll be willing to take a bit of a tax increase...sure, why not...but I'll only EVER be willing to take that tax hike if we start taxing FAIRLY...which is something I don't see happening anytime soon...too many corporations and higher ups that are able to dodge the system and lay the whole of it on the poor and middle class...

So I won't be taking a tax hike...simply for reasons stated above...the system needs to change...we all know it...and Obama just ignores it (or encourages it)

reply to post by beezzer


The issue of revenue isn't a left or right issue, it's this thing called math - if you don't bring money in because you complain about taxes, then you can't complain when there's insufficient body armor protecting little johnny overseas. All of those "liberal" things like healthcare for veterans, federal fuel assistance programs to areas hit by tornadoes and all the other "commie" things are not, believe this or not, free. I know, surprising, but it's true. They cost money.

Of course, I couldn't care less if the entire nation was infested with flesh-eating termites from Mars. But I do recognize that the only thing that can prop up this broken system, so that it appears to somewhat function for a few more decades, is an increased tax rate to cover the massive holes that Dubya blew through our surplus.

Originally posted by lightworker12
Only a combination of spending cuts and increased revenue will decrease the debt in any noticeable way. Just gutting medicare/medicaid and social security won't help, even if there are defense spending cuts. Taxes for the ultra rich are at record lows, and corporate socialism (like GE paying NO taxes on billions in income) is hurting federal finances. Cut spending, including defense, and raise taxes to where they were in the (highly prosperous) 1990s if you want to fix the debt.

I say raise the taxes of all of the financially rich....they can afford it and should pay.

*Sigh*
Say we tax all those greedy rich people 100%.
That'll take us into next year.

Who do we tax then? All thems rich people will be broke. Do we then go after the people making less than 250K?
150K?
75K

The problem with socialism is that eventually, you're going to run out of other peoples money.

reply to post by beezzer

Say we tax all those greedy rich people 100%

They won't go broke.
They will tax us.
Who pays corporate taxes?
They got their backs, who has ours? Not obama!

reply to post by sweetliberty


Corporations look for profit, they aren't charities, so not them.
Government looks to perpetuate itself, intrusively and otherwise, so not them.

Personal responsibility. WE have to look out for us. WE have to take care of ourselves. WE have to take care of our neighbors.

Trusting anyone or anything other than yourself just means that you sacrafice any freedom you have.

Government entitlements just means you accept a parasite into your life.

Sorry, forgive the rant.

Originally posted by beezzer

“We have to really cut back in our spending,” Charlie said. “Everyone knows that, and we have to raise revenue in order to do it.”

Not much to say, other than in order to quit drinking, I'm going to have to get more booze.
In order to quit smoking, I'll have to buy more cigarettes.
In order to diet, I'll have to buy more food.

Don't you just love liberal logic?

edit on 3-6-2011 by beezzer because: Because I'm an idiot.

Jast saved the good parts Beez. And you're no idiot.
This kind of Orwellian stuff is getting floated by us so
often now, I actually believe TPTB intend to poison us
all by pure media saturation OSMOSIS. Did that sound
too much like an Egyptian dunking chair set up at the
local sewage treatment plant -- sorry. Guess it's my turn.
I suppose if they're coming to get all our guns soon I should
make it worth their while and go order a couple of MERVs
from Uncle Vlad. C'mon in guys, coffee's ready.

I don't understand who actually votes for a politician with views like this?

reply to post by QuantumDisciple


Charlie Rangel has been voted in unopposed for decades. It's a sad testimony to the voting block.

reply to post by derfreebie


Sad part is,if they say it loud and long enough, people will parrot the same words.

It's time to point out stupidity and be done with it!

Originally posted by neo96
yeah rangle does want to raise taxes hes a democrat and he doesnt pay them.

rangle is a crook he got caught red handed and the crminial is still there.

the majority of dc cronies should be spending life in prison without the possibilty of parole.

the sheer stupidity rasing taxes thus taking more money out of the economy

any idiot knows the more people have the more the spend and that money still ends up at the government.

the world has gone stupid and everyday its proven even more.

Once a tax-and-spender always a tax-and-spender. The more they tax the more they spend. It's in their genes I'm sure.

reply to post by neo96


Chill out man, obviously you didn't understand the concepts involved in such an entity as Statoil. I linked to it, I thought perhaps you would take the time to read through it a bit.

Just because a corporation digs the resources out of the ground doesn't mean they should entirely own and control them, why couldn't someone else dig them out of the ground? Do corporations own water from lake Michigan? Do they own genetic patterns of plants?

All your other questions are rhetorical like that. If we had a free market, we would get things like cars etc. from SOMEBODY ELSE. They might not have a Toyota logo, or a Ford logo, but perhaps we might get a Tucker Torpedo out of the deal.