reply to post by antar
Have you ever watched as an ant struggles...dying... upon the last remaining dew drop of the early morning sun on a leaf of the mighty bamboo?
Nope, i live in Canada. Bamboo doesnt grow here. Though, the sentiment you are trying to convey.... of an ant, or any creature sufferring, or in
pain...what is your point?
He simply stops battling the inevitable and steps out on to the vast leaf into the ultimate oasis of the towering and mighty bamboo forest.
Uh huh. Forgive me for not quite understanding your metaphor. How exactly does this relate to the post i made?
Im seeing a very umbalanced, and frankly illogical back and forth here. Im trying to explain my views using logic and reason, and you respond with
some poetic allegory; as if to.....? This is not how you debate.
Spirituality and 'education' are diametrically opposed. When you speak of education it is of the old knowledge which for centuries has been useless to
your Spirituality. Even Buddha had to drop the knowledge before he could ascend to his fullest potential and that was thousands of years ago.
Right..... Umm....First. Spirituality and "education", by which you probably mean rationality, are NOT opposed. In kabbalistic thought this issue is
explained much more cogently then in Buddhism. Have you seen the "tree of life" diagram? With the 10 sefiroth? Well, the first two sefiroth at the top
which emanate from Kether (crown) are Hokmah (wisdom) and Binah (understanding) . In kabbalah they are called Abba (father) and Imma (Mother) in the
resconstructed state because there purpose is to work together.. The former represents what you mean by spirituality. It is above all differentiation,
and so above 'logic'. The latter, Binah, is a differentiation of the former. It derives from the former, and its purpose is to give EXPRESSION to its
undifferentiated, supralogical nature. In this layout, called 'partzufim', the sefiroth of Hokmah (which itself is made up of 10 sefiroth) are
interincluded and present within the sefirah of Binah. This is a rectification. It shows a 'working together' dynamic, where the former, wisdom, does
not oppose and nullify the latter. This is a true unity.
So, they unite, like a man and a woman. To continue this 'mythology', when they couple (zivug in kabbalistic terminology). they produce a child -
called Zeir Anpin in Kabbalistic thought (which translates as small face). These are the 6 emotive powers which extend from the union of Abba and
Imma, personified as one compound unit - because as in the case of Abba and imma, these 6 sefiroth are all interincluded.
My point with this explanation is to point out that Spirituality and Reason, or Rationality and Irrationality, or Intellect and Emotion (this is more
or less expressing the same thing) are supposed to complement, and not compete, or cancel out one another.
An example is this. There is a 'universal truth' and this would be the 'wisdom', because it is an undifferentiated, general concept. This is what you
keep talking about. On the other hand, there are particulars - this is Binah, this is a differentiation of the particulars within the general reality.
Now, when i make distinctions between man and animal, and how man is beyond Animal by virtue of his possessing Binah - understanding/reason, whereas
an animal does not, shows that man is able to unify reality - the contradictions between infinite and finite and so forth - that an animal is by
definition incapable to understand or know. An animals sufferring in my opinion should be ended if it will bring it ease.
There is no 'goal' in its continued sufferring. It cannot understand anything beyond its basic, instinctive programming. An animal eats/drinks, it
sleeps, its relieves itself, and it plays. And that is ALL it does. Just now i was outside playing with my dog, and i noticed she had some eye
crusties. So, i got a kleenex and wiped it from her eyes. I then show it to her as a joke. What does she do? She licks it. This cannot be anymore
obvious a proof of how irrational, and overall stupid animals are. Do they display a degree of intelligence? Yes. But it is incredibly paltry and
inferior when compared to the human being. Any comparison that seeks to put us on their same level is an insult to our dignity and ultimately seeks to
undermine human morality(These sort of ideas are coming mostly out of the east which failed to appreciate the monotheistic doctrines of Judaism).
Back to the point. An animals sufferring is pointless. There is no merit, or reason in its sufferring. Lacking reason (Binah) they cannot find reason.
Humans on the other hand CAN percieve reason becase we do experience a differentiation between the original unity. This isnt a bad thing in itself,
contrary to whats taught by other teachers. So, being in the midst of sufferring, we unlike animals have a higher, transcendental capacity to RISE
ABOVE the sufferring. It is a profoundly mystical capacity that all clear thinkers should be appreciative of. So, this 'union' between what is - the
sufferring ie; the differentiated sensation of pain percieved by the ego, and what isnt ie; the perception of an undifferentiated unity, which
precedes all differentiation, actually unifies the individual intellect with its transcendental source, and on a deeper level, overcomes the paradox
between uncreated and created, finite and eternity, human being, and being at one with G-d.
All this is ultimately for the benefit of the individual to grow, and achieve a higher level - to go from 'strength to strength - is how its called in
Kabbalistic thought. And ultimately, the more we understand this, the more we know G-d, and our able to imitate his ways, and essentially to be a more
clear minded, loving, patient, and responsible individual.
So, your mistake is your not properly anlyzing created reality. You fail to appreciate the distinctions that exist. You fail to understand the purpose
of THIS world..... All of this gives explanation for why sufferring is for our ultimate good.
edit on 4-6-2011 by dontreally because: (no