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Remember back in your high school civics class, when you were taught about the constitutional division of authority in matters of war? When you learned that the president has all the powers of an emperor, and Congress has all the powers of a potted plant?
Neither do I. But the people occupying high office in Washington went to a different school. They have done their best to prove that when it comes to using military force, neither the law nor the Constitution means a thing.
The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.
As President, I will not assert a constitutional authority to deploy troops in a manner contrary to an express limit imposed by Congress and adopted into law.
The Constitution says the president "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed." But when Obama executed this law, he did it with a firing squad.
Nothing our President has done is against the constitution. He had 60 days from the time of issuing the order to support the NATO mission in Libya and on the deadline of that 60 days he requested approval from Congress, 30 days from his request is when his time is up.
Originally posted by Kali74
More words written with a slant. Im beginning to see that cnsnews.com is complete garbage and nothing more that BS right wing propaganda, that's pretty much slanting to the point of lies.
...I recently introduced S.J. Res. 23, which states in part that “any offensive military action taken by the United States against Iran must be explicitly authorized by Congress.”
Nothing our President has done is against the constitution. He had 60 days from the time of issuing the order to support the NATO mission in Libya and on the deadline of that 60 days he requested approval from Congress, 30 days from his request is when his time is up.
On the 60th day of the Libya intervention, May 20, Obama wrote to lawmakers indicating that while he would like them to back the action, he was not asking for authorization.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Kali74
Nothing our President has done is against the constitution. He had 60 days from the time of issuing the order to support the NATO mission in Libya and on the deadline of that 60 days he requested approval from Congress, 30 days from his request is when his time is up.
So the President, one man, can unleash the entire force of the US military for 60 days without seeking permission from anyone??
Man, do you know what the US military, with the word of "one man" is capable of doing in 60 days??
The thought makes me shudder..edit on 3-6-2011 by backinblack because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by backinblack
Yes the Commander in Chief absolutely can. I believe he can even further the mission as long as he likes without Congressional approval, but he will have to find funding other than the defense budget. This is what I do not understand about people that buy into propaganda and I mean that to be a broad-stroke, why, why, why does anyone let anyone manipulate them this way and turn your head from the real issues?
You forgot to mention his answer was in response to a specific scenario, namely, preemptively bombing Iran without Congressional authorization, substantially different from what is happening in Libya.
Originally posted by The Old American
He has yet to ask for Congressional approval to continue. Here is what Obama said in 2007 as a Senator criticizing George Bush:
The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.
2. In what circumstances, if any, would the president have constitutional authority to bomb Iran without seeking a use-of-force authorization from Congress? (Specifically, what about the strategic bombing of suspected nuclear sites -- a situation that does not involve stopping an IMMINENT threat?)
The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.
History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.
How is he setting precedent when before him Presidents have used the military without Congressional authorization over 125 times?
As long as he keeps being allowed to act on his own like this, he's setting precedent. And when he is elected in 2012 (not if, unfortunately, because he has too many worshipers to fail at obtaining another term) he'll use that precedent to do whatever the hell he wants to do.
I agree with most of what you said but not on this point.
Originally posted by Kali74
The words "illegal war" are highly charged and meant to cause intense anger which by nature, anger takes away the ability to reason. I had to learn this the hard way after 9/11 when I was convinced GW Bush was committing crimes against humanity with his War on Terror and Patriot Act... ... I learned that Bush was not doing anything illegal and that all the hype I was buying into was making me a fool.
"Firing squad" may not be just metaphorical in the near future.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer
He has already indicated that this will be a lengthy process but, my point here is to say our President is not waging a war on the constitution nor acting against it nor commiting an illegal act in any way. If one has issues with the operation or issues on why this is allowed to happen than one needs to seek to change the laws, not make up false claims/believe false claims.