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Canada considering international bases: MacKay

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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Canada has woken up from its little pacifist ruse. Our overloaded intake of US media and kill simulator video games has done its work.


This is too funny. I'm guessing you are actually for a system where Canadians are forced by thier goverment(s) (all of the parties are the same, all pathetic) to pay for and watch 40% "Canadian content" like Little Mosque on the Prarie?


Let me guess, you believe violent warfare simulator video games lead to violence too right?


There's a few other countries in the world that practice such state censorships, Iran, China and North Korea. Nope, I think I'll keep my American based subscription to DirectTv thank you very much, you can shove that Canadian content garbage down the toilet.




posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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We need a revolution in Canada too...


I agree with you there, I however am only choosing the lesser of the evils that will like I said, squander my hard earned tax dollars on garbage the least.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:57 AM
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Yeah let's just set up an airstrip and arm it with Sea Kings...




don't think that's a very good idea. I think Canada's military should stay in Canada. We aren't an occupational kind of country, at least I hope we aren't.


So I take it you are an isolationist then? When our C130's are requested to deliver food, medicine and other aid to countries in Africa you are against the Canadian military having bases closer to those areas in need?



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by Jocko Flocko


let me guess, you believe violent warfare simulator video games lead to violence too right?



Spending your spare time in a disassociated act of calculated war is not helping our kind. The true battle is to get away from the warlike lower mind and educate ourselves to the higher levels of awareness.
Until then we will not have the right to call ourselves civilized.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 03:21 AM
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This is likely to be about strengthening the North American Union. The US government has to be involved somewhere in this, it always is.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 03:30 AM
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Well MinorityReporter, it's my right to do so in this country and thankfully people that would like to see otherwise are a very tiny minority. Here's a video for you of us having a great time playing our "wargames". Try it sometime, it's really good fun.




posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:09 AM
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this really grinds my gears, I can understand staging areas but for Canadian tax money to go into permanent bases throughout the world that's bs. globalization gota love it.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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*snip to remove rude quote from another member*
Seriously buddy whats a matter you hate being proved wrong so instead of intelligently discussing your side of the argument, you resort to pathetic childish remarks. *snip* The whole right vs left thing is pathetic. I'm a realistic thinking person.

You actually talk about Harper being the only guy not capable of driving this country into the ground.He was given a SURPLUS when he got into office and has driven this country into a 56 billon dollar(or somewhere along those lines) DEFICIT. How is that not beginning to run a country into the ground? And you defend him giving corporations one of the lowest tax rates in the world?
You actually said, "we are doing fantastic under Mr. Harper." Delusional much? You actually believe that giving corporations one of the lowest tax rates in the world is good for our economy. Corporations are going to invest in Canada no matter what. Our tax rate is 25% lower than the US! It has been decreased by 35% under Harper! I fail to see how any logical person could honestly believe this is good for Canada and our economy.

And when it comes to voting, I vote for who I believe is the best candidate. Like someone else mentioned I see Layton as better than Harper and Ignatief but he still isn't the answer. I find it hilarious you say you voted for the lesser of evils.
Harper the lesser of evils! OH man thanks for the laugh I don't even need to go on with that one. Your comment about, "trust me as someone who falls into the very high tax bracket and do every year.." Well congratulations. But I really don't care(I'm sure most ATSers don't either) about your income. I pay attention to someone who squanders our hard earned tax dollars away for things we don't need. International bases, F-35 Fighter jets, etc. And I can already tell you have no sympathy for anyone other than yourself and perhaps your family when you comment on overfunded social programs for the lazy. While some people are lazy, the majority are hardworking and would much rather have a job working than be dependent on the government. You clearly must not know any hardworking people going through tough times. Sure I'm glad Harper doesn't want to raise taxes, but it's about so much more than that.


Mod Edit: Removed ill-mannered quote from another member. Also, edited out a bit of smack talk.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Ok, quick little tip. The formating of your sentences is kind of difficult to read, you might want to try and practice a little better grammar when replying.



Seriously buddy whats a matter you hate being proved wrong so instead of intelligently discussing your side of the argument, you resort to pathetic childish remarks


The probelm is people like yourself never offer up actual examples of how Mr. Harper is comparable to George Bush, rather, they go on thier little lefty tirade about how horrible he is like you did in your opening post. I will call out tripe for what it is when I see it on this message board.



waste my time debating with a close minded moron.


Thats a violation of the T&C, but it doesn't suprise me you resorted to a direct personal attack instead of a proper rebuttal, lefties often do this on this forum.



He was given a SURPLUS when he got into office and has driven this country into a 56 billon dollar(or somewhere along those lines) DEFICIT. How is that not beginning to run a country into the ground?


Again, you are incorrect. I already corrected you once in my other reply by giving you a link to the actual data of the current national debt but I hazard to guess you kind of missed that on purpose. Please, quit stating innacurate drivel.



rates in the world? You actually said, "we are doing fantastic under Mr. Harper." Delusional much? You actually believe that giving corporations one of the lowest tax rates in the world is good for our economy. Corporations are going to invest in Canada no matter what. Our tax rate is 25% lower than the US! It has been decreased by 35% under Harper! I fail to see how any logical person could honestly believe this is good for Canada and our economy.


You didn't even read any of my replies did you about why I support not taxing large corporations into the ground did you? No, instead you just skimmed over them choosing to stay in "lefty la la land".
Instead you choose to spew fourth innacurate garbage like your "35%" number... Did you just pull that figure out of thin air without checking it at all? You might want to as here's the actual numbers, please read them instead of being ignorant to the topic at hand.

Canada's Actual Corporate Tax Rates

In the past four years, the Harper government has been gradually reducing the corporate income tax rate from 22 per cent to 16.5 per cent as of Jan. 1. In 2012, it will fall to 15 per cent.



Toronto Star Article



Like someone else mentioned I see Layton as better than Harper and Ignatief but he still isn't the answer.


You might want to check out what the NDP did to the province of Ontario between the years of 1990 to 1995. Bob Rae under the NDP neosocialists completely destroyed Canada's economic heartland and if Layton had his way at the Federal level I imagine we would have a similar outcome. I don't trust any party that openly caves into union demands and budget destroying social programs.



I pay attention to someone who squanders our hard earned tax dollars away for things we don't need


Well obviously the voters don't see it that way and understand that in this age of radical islam and rogue nations like Iran and North Korea we need a stronger military force. We also have one of the largest borders in the world that needs to be monitored and defended, especially the arctic. But what people like youself fail to grasp is the fact that our nation over the years has primarily been of peace keeping, logistical support and humanitarian missions. Like I already said, opening these bases of operations will help us tremendously in these types of situations as well as the war against terrorism. Now, are we supposed to just do this with pointy sticks and stones and a couple of jeeps left over from the Liberal parties days of destroying our military? I don't know what world you live in, but it's a dangerous one out there and our military should have the best equipment to deal with it.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Well I don't spend much time on the computer and playing video games. I'm 19 years old and I prefer to spend my time hanging out with buddies and being outdoors so I don't know how to qoute what you said as you have done. I do not have the time to figure that out as I really don't care at the moment. That being said it is quite easy to read a paragraph is it not? If it is too difficult for you than don't bother wasting your time. My grammar is fine.

Again you label me as some leftist. I am not a right or left person I am who I am. But go ahead and categorize me into some group if it makes you feel better. I, like some others who have posted on this very thread, label Harper as being similar to Bush because of his view on the so called, "war on terror." His desire for bigger jails and more harsh laws. He only cares about the big corporations and the banksters. He does what Bush and Obama ask of him.

Oh please your offeneded but you say I ooze of brain poo and what I say is the same as a turd hitting the water in a toilet. You were the one who directed away from an intelligent conversation and now your trying to make me seem like the bad guy after I called you out for your sentence which involved you saying I'm uneducated, while at the same time referring to what I'm saying as the same as someone taking a crap. Who's the one doing the personal attacks here. And the one who started with these pathetic childish remarks. C'mon man.

He had a surplus when he got in office and now we are in a deficit. Maybe I was off by a couple billion but the principle stands. He put this country into debt by not properly handling the budget he had and not making smart decisions. If someone gave me a surplus, I sure as heck could keep it from getting to a deficit and I don't have a degree in economics. Some things come down right to common sense! No matter how you want to twist my words, we had a surplus and now are in a deficit. This happening under Harper. How can I be more clear?

I'm pretty sure I addressed everything you said in your posts but apparently you think otherwise
Again there you go with your, "lefty lala land." Those figures I got where off the Liberal main website. Maybe they are off a bit, but it doesn't change the fact we have one of the lowest tax rates for big corporations.

I'm completely aware of what the NDP did to Ontario, as I live in Ontario. Which is why I said I didn't support them, but I do believe they are a lesser evil than Harper and the conservatives and Ignatief and the Liberals.

Oh please Iran and North Korea pose no threat to us. They have their own problems to worry about than trying to invade Canada. Are you for real?
I totally agree that our borders should be secure and strickly monitored and if anyone does attack us, than we should retaliate. And our country is more than capable of defending itself. It's the offensive wars that pose no threat to us that I disagree with. Our military is well taken care of. We don't need international bases to continue doing our humanitarian missions. That is a waste of the tax payers money, IMO. Now I would love to see you post some good things that Harper has done to make this country better than it was when he first took office. Or at least some means of an intelligent conversation. But I await the remarks most likely calling me a ,"leftist," or perhaps bashing me for not being able to qoute what you have said.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Oh please your offeneded but you say I ooze of brain poo and what I say is the same as a turd hitting the water in a toilet.


Incorrect, attacking the basis of ones argument is completely different than a personal attack such as calling someone a moron. It's not a good idea to do this on this website as all the offended person needs to do is alert the offending post via the drop down menu and your entire post might get deleted, just some advice.



He had a surplus when he got in office and now he we are in a deficit. Maybe I was off by a couple billion but the principle stands. He put this country into debt by not properly handling the budget he had and not making smart decisions.


Yes he had a surplus from the Liberal party, however the Liberal party had gained that surplus through high income taxes and high corporate taxes, basically the Liberals surplus was created off the backs of hard working tax paying Canadians. Harper came in and reduced those taxes drastically and in return improved our economy greatly. When you tax corporations heavily you are also taxing the employees that work for those corporations.



If someone gave me a surplus, I sure as heck could keep it from getting to a deficit and I don't have a degree in economics. Some things come down right to common sense! No matter how you want to twist my words, we had a surplus and now are in a deficit. This happening under Harper. How can I be more clear?


And the only way you would have been able to keep that surplus would be to keep in place the high taxes Canadians have suffered with for years under the Liberal party. Considering what is taking place south of the border and around the world, our small deficit is peanuts. Had we been under the rule of the Liberals these last few years the deficit would be MASSIVE based on the previous Liberal parties economic platform. That party is the worst when it comes to waste, hence the Canadian term "Liberal waste".




Those figures I got where off the Liberal main website. Maybe they are off a bit, but it doesn't change the fact we have one of the lowest tax rates for big corporations.


Try not to do that when looking for valid information and TRUE numbers, you are never going to get honest material from such a website. It would be like me quoting material from the Conservatives main website to help support my statements; something I would never do as the infomration is going to obviously be biased.



Oh please Iran and North Korea pose no threat to us. They have their own problems to worry about trying to invade Canada.


It's got absolutely nothing to do with us being invaded but rather us being part of NATO and if called upon is our duty to be prepared with the best equipment, troops and support. The Liberals destroyed the Canadian military during their reign. Our troops over in Afghanistan during the onset of conflict didn't even have the proper camo pattern for the type of terrain they were in. It was completely disgusting and something the Liberals should always be ashamed of.



And our country is more than capable of defending itself.


We are SLOWLY getting there but we are nothing close to what we used to be before the Liberals took office back in the early 1990's. 13 years ago our military was a complete joke to the point that the military couldn't even afford to buy new search and rescue helicopters and had to rely on a very aging Sea King fleet that had a horrible crash record. Finally Mr. Harper and the Conservatives are restoring our military and our equipment.



It's the offensive wars that pose no threat to us that I disagree with. Our military is well taken care of.


This is a point of debate that many people will disagree on. I myself saw, and still do see the taliban as a major threat to international security and stability. And as so they should be completely wiped out and destroyed whenever the opportunity arises. Our military is well taken care of NOW, however, like I said before, it was a complete mess years ago under the Liberals. I am for the war in Afghanistan but was against the war in Iraq.



We don't need international bases to continue doing our humanitarian missions. That is a waste of the tax payers money,


How do you back up this opinion? Are you a military advisor? If the generals coordianting such missions say they need airbases closer to areas in need or hot zones, they should have them. If these bases mean that our guys can be on the ground faster to help when a massive earthquake happens, so be it, they are worth it. I find it funny that theres people on this forum that all of a sudden see new Canadian bases that are welcomed by the countries they are placed in end up calling it "occupation"




Now I would love to see you post some good things that Harper has done to make this country better than it was when he first took office.


Sure, no problem.

-Much lower income taxes for ALL Canadians (I pay 7000$ a year less tax than would do under the previous Liberal parties tax platform
-Lower corporate taxes that have brought in more investment and has created more job growth
-A stronger and much better funded military
-No more Liberal waste or scandals (I've yet to see a major scandal the likes of the Liberal AdScam)
-A promise to scrap the Liberals pointless long gun registry
-Less taxes on capital gains in some cases like small buisness there's no capital gains tax as long as you put that income back into the company
-A much more stable economy and stock market (My stocks and investments are doing absolutely amazing)
-A return to open federalism
-Household disposable income has gone up
-The Conservatives have been tougher on crime and have pushed for longer sentences for violent criminals (somethingn this country needs)
-Lowered the Liberal implemented GST

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I could find more for you but I have to run, have a good night.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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I would never tell you what you can or can not do, aside from direct harm to your fellow citizens.
I'm just stating that the larger things in this world have nothing to do with chest puffing statements rather it is a test of compassion, understanding and awareness.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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ok canada listen up from us americans.

DONT DO IT YOU'LL GO BROKE!!!!!!!!

proof is looking at this country.

my oreilly moment................"just looking out for you..."



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Stinking Harper. Not a big surprise from Canada's Bush, but still disgusting.

Here's an idea : what about they put a military base in Ottawa... and every time the Canadian government screws the Canadian people, YOU BOMB THE PARLIAMENT? Leave no survivor.

Then elections. A government that fears it's people governs better.

Anyway, any Canadian that respects himself is against this crap. Screw Harper and his supporters. Move to pro-war areas of America if you love war so much.
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I'm quoting you because i agree 100% of your statement and want everyone to see it and read it if they get this far into the thread.

I think Harper is a traitor to Canada and sold us out to the U.S and is a War mongering Scum Bag.

Harper only got in with a 38% of the vote because the majority of the vote was split between the NDP and Liberal So harper doesn't have even more than 38% of the vote of the Canadian People.

I think the voting Process needs to change. Because it doesn't seem to work properly!



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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It's always the quiet ones that turn out to be the mass murderers...



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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So this is what our HST tax was implemented for; The Government is no longer Legitimate the Police are Paid Thugs(Gestapo) Paid On Average 100,000K a year while the average citizen struggles with around 20-40,000 a year

The Police are nothing more than criminals and thugs extorting citizens and payed Tax Collectors. Look at the corruption going on they will protect anyone else in the police Department even if they commit murder its passed off as Ok because they are friends..

Its just ridiculous that Police officers and many other paid government Employees are making 3-4 times as much as the average Canadian. It called GESTAPO Paid THUGS.


Then we have Harper Brining Huge Tax breaks to major Corporations in Canada while we are paying taxes through the nose.

Good Job Harper he is a TRAITOR.

And most Police have an excuse for their wage they say

OH but we pay taxes . BUT YES you CAN ONLY pay those taxes because YOUR JOB IS PAID FOR BY TAXES

but u pay your taxes from being funded through your employment by tax money
» understand! conundrum!



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by TheUniverse
Harper only got in with a 38% of the vote because the majority of the vote was split between the NDP and Liberal So harper doesn't have even more than 38% of the vote of the Canadian People.

I think the voting Process needs to change. Because it doesn't seem to work properly!


I agree with a 61% voter turnout 38% is not much. IMO most people who don't vote are not on board with Harper. All of my Conservative acquaintances had May 2 circled on their calender like it was christmas.

I should mention that said conservatives all work for big oil.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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How can Canada do this? They don't even have a strong naval power to accomplish an empire



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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So this is what our HST tax was implemented for


You do realize the HST was brought about by the Liberals and Dalton "The Rat" McGuinty in Ontario right? It has nothing to do with the feds.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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I'm just going to say that we already have bases around the world.

Anyone remember Camp Mirage? The secret (now disbanded) logistics base in the UAE run by that colonel who wore langerie and raped and murdered women? We didn't even compensate the UAE for the base as promised.

I'm pretty sure that we also have a few other bases under joint ownership (like Ramstein AFB).

I'm not entirely sure of what the hell the government hopes to accomplish with more bases. I guess they just want to make sure they spend all of our military budget so those crazy leftists can't beg us to return to peacekeeping operations.

Speaking of peacekeeping operations, they used to be the pride of Canada's international role. Since we got involved in Afghanistan, we dropped out of all peacekeeping ops due to lack of funding (as predicted beforehand but denied by military officials).

I wonder if poster Jocko Flocko realizes that we are no longer involved in real humanitarian missions as he claims. We do, however, have a rising stake in selling munitions to coalition (or I guess NATO is the "official" name) nations. It almost seems as if it is in our best interest to support war.

Oh, and securing oil markets in foreign, hostile locations means securing our own oil markets here, and essential process thanks to NAFTA protocols dictating that we have to supply the US with a constant stream of oil and energy at the same price that we sell to ourselves.
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