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A Better World Without Men?

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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What is the fundamental difference between men and women?

Is it primary sex characteristics?

Is it societal expectations?

Is it psychological dispositions?


We need to figure these out before considering something that is impossible: "a world without men".




posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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a world without men would eliminate some of my favorite things to do and people as well.

that wouldn't be good.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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I know just as many women who supported the Iraq invasion/massacre, as I do men who supported it.

I know just as many women who vote for right wing, compassionless governments, as I do men who vote for them.

I know just as many women who are brainwashed, evangelical retards, as I know men who are.

I know just as many women who are cruel to animals, as I do men who are.

I know just as many women who lie, cheat and steel, as I do men who do these things.

I know just as many women who care jot for our planet, as I do men who also care jot.

I know more women who chase the dollar obsessively, than I do men who chase it.

I know more women who are mentally violent than I know men who are.

I know more men who are physically violent than I know women who are.

Male or female has nothing to do with good, or bad world..

Laze



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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reply to post by CAELENIUM
 


.....LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL



Surely you are trolling this thread?

Dammit , i spit water all over my screen ....why would you post something like that...and here i thought this was a serious thread...

Still your little post to Thwart Christianity , is foul. In the New Testament , the woman is equal to men. Women have their Role and Men have theirs. Look at it as a job , you complete your side to help the other to complete their side. They both are Vital roles.

Wonder what Demon is feeding this information to you.
edit on 04/30/2011 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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Whats' with these pro-female threads lately? Simply put no, women need men so they have a reason to bitch.




posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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reply to post by 2manyquestions
 

I have read through a majority of the posts and have not come across how you would achieve a world without men.
Would you
1.Kill all the males?
2.Kill all the males in the womb?
3.Kill all the males after birth?

Doing any of these things would that not make you what you despise most in males?



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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I think I learned something new, that was vary interesting and vary telling of the lower primate called man.

Well as soon as you leave this world there is no more man or woman troubles any more so it's all for not anyway.
Just live life as it comes and be as you would be and say lave to the rest and learn from the best.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by 2manyquestions
My problem is with the hard numbers, and those are the amount of men in prison for violent crimes versus women in prison for violent crimes. Many more men are incarcerated than women. Whether that's because women are more crafty and more prone to get away with it, or because women truly don't commit as many crimes as men do, I don't know. All I want is that we as a society recognize that the crimes committed are mainly committed by males, and it's a problem that needs looking into.

Fact is that whenever we're in a dangerous situation, it is a male or a group of males that we fear. It is undeniable. That being said, I have been in situations where I was somewhat fearful of being near a group of certain females. It happened maybe twice or three times in my life, and unfortunately I've had these fearful experiences with men on a far more extensive basis. Why are women afraid of going into dark garages by themselves? Why are they afraid to go jogging at night? Why do we watch our children like hawks when they play in the park? Because we fear that a bad "guy" will come along and hurt us. Could the perpetrator be a woman? Absolutely, but it just doesn't happen as often. I'm not looking to make men the "bad guy", it just happens that way on more occasions than seems fair. Is it so bad to mention this problem and try to examine how it might be resolved?


It's absolutely not bad to mention the problem and try to examine how it might be resolved. My problems have never been with the question posed but with the way it seemed like you were going about finding your answer.

To respond to the questions raised, first, in these scenarios you are afraid of 'imaginary' men. They could be out there. In this case you're afraid of the possibility of a bad guy and not an actual bad guy. These types of fears I can relate to because they affect everyone. There is a chance that if you go out in the dark, some bad guy might get you. The follow-up question, I would say would be, "what can I do about it?" If you'd like to go jogging at night without fear, what do you need? I'd say you need something that can level the playing field in a way that you are comfortable with. There are lots of options as I'm sure you know, from pepper spray to guns to bodyguards. What would you need to have in your possession to make you feel safe doing the things you want to do, without putting you in a position to use force you're not comfortable with? If a robber demanded your wallet would you shoot him? If that's too much, grab some pepper spray.. It'll stop a mugger in their tracks.

Next question then, would be "what happens when the imaginary bad guy is a real bad guy?" The answer is: be prepared to act. Be prepared to act in defense of yourself, in defense of a stranger, or in defense of a friend. One of the main benefits of living in a community and a central reason we as humans naturally form them is so that you aren't the only one watching your back. Feeling safe at the park should come from knowing your neighbors who also use the park so that you can look out for each other.



Originally posted by 2manyquestions
What's different about the men who do not hurt people or commit crimes, and those who do? How can we implement these changes in men prone to act violently and reduce violent crime?


Nature/nurture/expectations/etc. Everyone feels negative emotions and feelings- sadness, anger, disappointment, frustration. The difference is how you take it (the fact that you are experiencing x emotion) and what you do with it (your reaction to x emotion).

South Park example: Stan gets dumped and doesn't take the fact that he has to experience sadness well and radically alters his persona. Butters gets dumped but is able to 'appreciate' his sadness, use it to gain perspective, and enjoy his happy moments all the more.

I think that the best way to learn the power/value/way of forgiveness is to be forgiven. Anyone who can relate to feeling guilt will have an opinion on how forgiveness 'feels' whether it's given to them or not. For somebody who has done something they regret and been forgiven, it might feel empowering to do the same. For somebody who has been denied forgiveness, the concept might feel empty and meaningless. To touch on the crime statistic angle on this, the court systems could probably do a better job of rehabilitating criminals as opposed to just punishing them (I say this with no better solution offered, so take it for what it's worth).


Originally posted by 2manyquestions
You're right that many women would report it, but there's also many domestic violence cases in which women do not call the police, because they do not wish their abusive husbands or boyfriends arrested. It works both ways. If a man is being abused by his woman but he is too embarrassed to admit it, it's difficult. Just know that many women who are being abused also feel the same way. They don't want their friends or family to know, and are afraid of revenge if they are responsible for sending their violent boyfriend or husband to jail. Whether it's a woman or a man committing such a crime, it's equally wrong.


Sadly, you're absolutely correct here. I have had a few female friends stuck in abusive relationships in which they would justify the violence of their bf/husband by blaming themselves, circumstances, etc. While relationships like that are rarely simple, there is no justification for abuse and a man who hurts his girlfriend or wife is despicable.


Originally posted by 2manyquestions
You look at it in a way that would suggest that I want everyone to believe that all men are inherently violent. My question for you is this: If the statistics were reversed and showed that 86% of the prisoner population is female while only 18% of them are male, how would you look at it? What conclusion would you come to? If the statistics didn't show a 50/50, 60/40 or even 70/30, wouldn't you be surprised? Wouldn't you wonder why they are the way they are? It's what made me wonder. I wasn't expecting that difference, and up until the dolphin article came up, I wasn't thinking about it at all.


Honestly, on this one there's not enough information to make a call. Are these stats purely the prisoner population statistics or violent crime? What types of crimes are these people locked up for and how prevalent are each type of crime? Are 90% of the men in jail on smaller charges while 90% of the women on larger charges? The idea here is that maybe women are more likely to be cut loose on 'lesser' charges like the domestic violence example whereas the men are more likely to be lockup up - I don't know the answer but is that a factor?


Originally posted by 2manyquestions
I don't want to rid the planet of men. I think I make that clear in my OP. I also have no issues with physical strength being used in a defensive manner. My issue is only with using strength to hurt or kill others for pleasure or money. If bad aliens invaded the planet, I'd fight right next to you, trying to save the human race.


Good to know. I don't think we have enough space suits to all chill up in space if you ladies did kick us off the planet so I'm glad to know that at least for you, that's off the table



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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I don't think sexual frustration has anything to do with boys killing dolphins. You can't compare that to male elephants tearing stuff up. Way out in left field on that one imo.

In the animal kingdom, especially herding or pack animals, there's a top male who has all the females to himself.
So sure there are always going to be frustrated lesser males. In the human world...there are more females than males, and there's no Alpha that has control.

Random acts of violence and destruction from kids or males has more to do with upbringing, mob mentality or peer pressure, rites of passage, trying to be cool and fit in, or just plain stupidity.

Sexual crimes by men may be related to sexual frustration sure; but probably moreso from rejection, abuse or trauma from their childhoods, upbringing, ignorance...

Most of us males are not violent, non-criminals, love our spouses, etc... You need us as much as we need you.

Instead of supposing a world without one gender or the other, let's work together to figure out how to raise our kids better, teach them discipline, help them learn what respect is all about, also that hard work and effort pays off eventually, crimes don't pay and all that. Let's expand that role to the classroom for those kids who come from broken homes; allow teachers to smack that bully kid upside the head a time or two. Make the naughty ones scrub the bathroom floors with toothbrushes and such. Add some moral education to curriculums. Add consequences for bad behavior and perhaps some kind of rewards for good behavior....extra credit for helping someone, or for always being polite. A new kind of etiquette or finishing school for both sexes.

Let's stop blaming someone else for what is wrong with the world, and start changing it ourselves, one household at a time.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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Then there would be no humans.


Just saying!



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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A perfect world, eh? NOT.

There has to be a gender balance. Get rid of one, the species dies off, and those who did live until the end would see a whole new list of social issues. There has to be a balance, bottom line.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Bet the scientist who created the lab sperm was a guy......



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:32 PM
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I really can't even begin to speculate, but I was reading about a society the other day (the Minoans) which was possibly somewhat female dominated and at the very least not patriarchal. Remaining art depicts lots of women as gentle rulers and nurturers. Fertility and nurturing were clearly highly valued. The book made it very clear that there were NO depictions of violence or hardship put upon women (is that common in art from other cultures?). Men were often depicted in service roles. Nor were women sex objects, although their beauty was celebrated. Oh, I looked it up on wikipedia as well and wiki says there is also art showing women and men playing sports together.

Perhaps a matriarchal world would value nurturing as the highest skill as opposed to strength? There is a large bit here on wiki that also talks about how evidence for any sort of wars is scanty and they probably stayed out of conflict.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Really? Seriously? You think that a women who is a mother can love her children more then a father can? Are you serious? How about that it should be equal? That by rights it takes two to creat one, and those two do whatever is needed to make sure that the one that is created by the two is protected. There are many cases of both male and female that lack those basics and would rather watch their child die then lay their own life on the line and protect what they made.

I am not a father, and my wife is not a mother just yet. But judging how I am and how my wife is towards our nieces and nephews, our little ones, I tell you one thing, my beautiful wife and I would kill ALOT of MF's who would harm our blood.

I can't guess how fierce either one of us combine would be towards protecting our own children when the time comes. I know for a damn fact I know of many fathers who would slay many and without a second thought die in order to insure safe passage of their children and spouses.

Wo when you say the love of a mother out weighs that of a father, think again.... The balance between the two should sit equal on that topic.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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Most men I have met; yep better off without them. Keep in mind I have six sisters and only one brother-in law who I haven't pulled a gun or a baseball bat on.

Yin and yang: we, men and women are almost two separate species.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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A world without males would perish. Males are driven by competition as an instinct. We don't desire to populate the planet, we are just driven to get women and have our way with them. The animal kingdom is no different. Reproduction is nature's plan. The competition in males is not just about sex, it's also about being better than the next guy or nation. Notice what sex invents the most things. It is males. We are driven by a force of determination. Science and technology would not be what it is today if it wasn't for males. Females are good at multitasking and males are good with singular focus. This nature of males also needs to be bridled. It causes great wars and massive loss of life if it goes nuclear. The animal kingdom has no self regulation on that matter and it is up to mankind to save the other species from extinction.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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@ 2manyquestions

While I agree there is some discussion room here for this particular question, I think the thread title lends itself to be more provocative than it needs to be, thus you should not be surprised at all by some of the more immature responses. Agreed?

That said, Humans are still basically animals. I'm sure plenty of people here will try and argue that Human Beings are far more complicated than the typical simple minded animals you see wandering the forest, but if you look at Human behavior objectively, it's easy to see all the usual signs associated with any creature that functions as part of a social group. Not only that, but we're still entirely dependent on the Earth for virtually everything in order to sustain ourselves. From the food we eat, be it plants or animals that are fed plants, to the air we breath and water we drink, to the very sunlight upon our skin we need to revitalize us every day. Even the very gravity of the planet itself serves the function of helping our bodies and bone structures to develop properly, the idea that we could separate ourselves from the Earth and are somehow above the other creatures here, it's quite ludicrous.

So I'm sorry, but we are not above the behavior exhibited by the other species on this planet. Accept that these behavior traits are intrinsic in our developmental process, and that without them we would not be Human. Whether we like it or not, if something does not serve a purpose, it ceases to exist. That's the harsh truth of life.




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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Any man who has worked in a work environment with primarily women know...

...If there were no men around, nothing would get done nearly as productively as it currently does.

Keep in mind that you can't ask men to reach for the high shelf, do the heavy lifting, collect shopping carts from parking lots (ICKY! AND OMG, COOOLD!).

Feminists, always about the want want want -- never about the give. Maybe you should just do the developed world a favor and execute yourselves instead of men.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Here is the key to understanding me, I think.

If you take a group of criminals who all their life have been macho tough guys, and say to them: “You need to be more feminine in your attitude and actions.” This has nothing to do with being girly or anything like that.

If they follow that advice they would be more gentile, compassionate, and less macho egotistical men always following their overly testosterone induced activities and perhaps not so quick to commit crimes.

That would be a benefit to society


If you told woman criminals to be more like men, then what would happen?

Would they become better or worse?



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