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Was Jesus a victim of self aggrandizing suicide?

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posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by etherical waterwave
reply to post by Greatest I am
 


I think those bad people don't even seek forgiveness so Jesus didn't die for them.



Always us and them eh.

Tribalistic thinking and out of date.

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Regards
DL




posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by SireFurious
err.. if Jesus committed suicide, doesn't that mean Jesus is in hell?
as I was raised catholic and broke free when i reached the age of reason, I was taught that all suicides go straight to Hell. If Jesus killed himself, then he's burning in Hell.


Just another lie perpetuated by Catholics. I don't think suicidal people go to hell, if such a thing exists..maybe some do..if it exists..but not all. I hardly think you can call what happened to Jesus suicide , though in some ways ,I have thought similar thoughts at times, about his death.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011

Originally posted by SireFurious
err.. if Jesus committed suicide, doesn't that mean Jesus is in hell?
as I was raised catholic and broke free when i reached the age of reason, I was taught that all suicides go straight to Hell. If Jesus killed himself, then he's burning in Hell.


Just another lie perpetuated by Catholics. I don't think suicidal people go to hell, if such a thing exists..maybe some do..if it exists..but not all.


Rather vague in your belief are we?

Key to belief in a God is the way he administers justice. That translates to how he punishes and rewards.

If you are unsure of those then you must be unsure of almost all of scripture so do you even believe that Jesus was a literal and historic person?

Regards
DL



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by gabby2011

Originally posted by SireFurious
err.. if Jesus committed suicide, doesn't that mean Jesus is in hell?
as I was raised catholic and broke free when i reached the age of reason, I was taught that all suicides go straight to Hell. If Jesus killed himself, then he's burning in Hell.


Just another lie perpetuated by Catholics. I don't think suicidal people go to hell, if such a thing exists..maybe some do..if it exists..but not all.


Rather vague in your belief are we?

Key to belief in a God is the way he administers justice. That translates to how he punishes and rewards.

If you are unsure of those then you must be unsure of almost all of scripture so do you even believe that Jesus was a literal and historic person?

Regards
DL



Yes..I am unsure about many things. Not that I want to be unsure, but humanity has taught me that I cannot trust their views and perceptions of history totally.

And God, well He hasn't decided to clue me in personally on what truth is either..so..I remain unsure. You can put me down for that if you choose, but I'm just being honest .

As far as scripture goes, it seems to be something created by man , for the purpose of controlling man. Any person or God who can say someone will be damned forever because they were so distraught ,and broken,they chose to take their own lives, seems to me a person or God that I would not want to spend an eternity with. There are some who take their own lives because they do not want others to have the burden of taking care of them,or the expenses of medical bills.




Key to belief in a God is the way he administers justice. That translates to how he punishes and rewards.


I sure hope He administers justice someday..haven't seen it yet in regards to the evil that really controls this world.

If God wants to punish me for not believing in a book, that was rewritten by man, through many translations , and which seems to contradict itself at times...well I guess if He really wants to that, its His choice.

I guess my problem with God, if he does exist..is that I don't think He does administer justice at all. He has allowed many many evils to continue ,and many who have tried to fight these evils,get rewarded by punishment and death. If he can one for one second blame peoples free will for allowing stuff to happen, then He must as well be accountable for allowing many evils to continue, when He is obviously the one with the most power to stop it. If God looks at us and says..what did you do to feed the poor??..can we not ask the same of him?
I say.."What have you done God..to clearly speak to all humanity, at once..concerning who you are...without the use of misinterpreted words. What have you done God..to stop the atrocities against children and animals"? Do we need to pray and fast before your heart will step in with justice, and even then..many prayers go unanswered.


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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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We have no argument or debate then my friend.
I had read you as a theist and was wrong so I retract my last post.

Regards
DL



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Dont just read parts of what iv'e written! finish then comment!

i had a vision yesterday and i believe it was God talking to me. its not the first time this has happened. on my birthday i was sitting on my couch watching TV with a friend when something told me to get up. i listened and it lead me to my room. i closed the door and all of a sudden i fell to my knees and was crying for forgiveness with absolutely no control of my body. i felt as if i was watching myself go threw this but there was nothing i could do. when i finally realized what happen i was sitting on the floor with a feeling i cannot describe. i felt loved and embraced by something but i didn't even bother asking to myself what it was i just sat there smiling. as of that day i found myself researching on the Internet. but i was not researching religion i was searching Illuminati, new world order, and all types of government frauds and killings covered up from the everyday person.

yesterday i came home and was explaining everything to a friend of mine, showing him a video of the Illuminati when it hit me. i had a vision that was explaining the pyramids and how everything relates to the same evil. i don't even know where to start and how to translate my vision into words but ill try.

the pyramids is a sign given by other creatures that landed on our planet. it was a sign given to the most powerful at the time. it is meant to represent that they too can become a god. its all about control. (DIVIDE AND CONQUER why is Pangaea no more? shifting plates? yeah, right! the planet is easier to control if it is divided! this thing is bigger than what you know as reality) if you are the top point of the pyramid everything else is under you and under your control. nobody can tell you no or disagree with your ways because you have the power to eliminate anybody. you are ultimately seeing yourself as a god. that's what happen in ancient times with the Egyptians and the Aztecs, and that's whats happening to us now with the Illuminati.

i believe these people who are in power have seen all the evidence and believe that their false gods have given them the power to be gods of this planet. threw technology and false religion they see this coming true for them. they see these false gods as giving them power of technology to finalize there power as gods. they see false religion as a way to control peoples feelings. they are working on chips that they will implant in you and you will beg them to. they will tell you it can unlock the other parts of the brain we never could on our own. when the world is one government as the plan on making it it will be ruled by one man with the power to turn any ones chip off if you do not live or agree to what he says your life must be. TOTAL CONTROL!!!

our governments are also just pawns in this master plan. just ask yourself what this man with all this power realized. all these countries come to me for loans and they are in debt to me. what does this mean? i basically own these countries and i can make these countries do whatever i want because if they don't i have the power to stop that country by not funding it.

turn your TVs and radios off for a minute and turn your minds on. do you need an Escalade on 24's? Do you need to have sex with every woman you can get your hands on? do you need more money to buy all the things TV tells you you want? does money, drugs, weapons, and violence make us happier? does working hard and waking up early to go earn a paycheck the way you really picture a beautiful life?

the only answer is GOD! i cant tell you who or what God is, i can only tell you that God is everything and everything is God. the only way to true Paradise is threw God. I'm not telling you to go to church or anything like that all i ask is that you believe in God and talk to God. God has not forgotten about you so don't forget about God!

am i crazy or just found God?



posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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www.davidicke.com...

Ya ya. Master planner.

Item 1. Have son murdered,

Do I really need to give you an item 2.

Regards
DL



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