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Originally posted by SecretSky
Anyway - the rest is history. Poland was occupied by Russian forces and under the control of the Soviet Union for 50 years. This has left scars. People do not trust others so easily. Small-talk and niceties designed to break the ice when getting to know someone maybe considered 'fake'. People are abrupt. Adjectives are rare. Imperative verbs are frequent.
When discussing this with Polish people, I sometimes detect a sense of bitterness. A tension which has not dissipated. That I should be responsible for this. I have inherited the guilt somehow. Transposed from a leader dead long before I was born into me, via a mutual nationality. They would like an apology.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Weill didn't you kind of answered your own question? The US and UK among other western allies were in no mood for an armed confrontation with the USSR after years of war. This is the exact reasons behind the now largely forgotten Cold War. What couldn't have been done with bombs and Bullets Polish solidarity leader Lech Walesa [and others] and the East's own archaic Communist economic mismanagement accomplished largely peacefully.
The alternative could have lead to a Global Nuclear conflagration, Drawing all of the NATO allies vs The Red Chinese, Soviets and Warsaw pact countries. Which Poland was a part of. It played out for the better in the long run IMHO.
No telling how many millions more above WWII numbers could or would have died had the issue been forced.edit on 2-6-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by David291
I spend a lot of time in Poland and do hope to move there in the near future so that I can teach English and I would say ALL my time I have spent there, people love to test their English and test my Polish and I have not once come across anything like that. What part of Poland are you in? If you don't mind me asking. I spend my time at Katowice and the people are just amazing One of the better people of this world in my opinion.
Anyway, even if this is true all I can say is, you do not judge a country of people for their leaders. Leaders? I mean, idiots because at the end of the day that's all they are. Also, I could understand them if they resented us for what they did IF the people agreed but with the looks of things, this was buried so not many people would actually find out.
anyway, that's just my opinion
Originally posted by redrose123
reply to post by SecretSky
I am truly shocked at the lack of knowledge people have posted about recent history. It wasn't just Poland it was most of Europe that was simply handed to the Communist regime under the crazy blood thirsty killer named Stalin. How does anyone think that the USSR came about. It is an atrocity of life and liberty that I don't know can be paralled The countries that had been crushed by war then those people and their land were handed over to more blood bath. General Patten wanted to march into Russia and finish the job. He was shortly there after ran over by a jeep and killed.
hi op. i know a number of Polish who fought in the war (2 left!) and used Britain as a base of ops. it seems the older generation who studied the chessboard later on came to the conclusion that there was nothing the western Allies could do about the situation and hold no bad feeling towards us. the younger generations are more difficult to gauge imo. if i may, during a conversation, have you ever mentioned the German and Russian occupations and what if any were their reactions? btw, October 16, 1946, Hans Frank, governor-general of Poland during German occupation was sentenced to death and hanged.
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
If British or American forces could reach Poland before Red Army but did not on purpose - that would be selling Poland. The way it happened is that Soviet forces were deep in Poland in time of Yalta meeting and the only way to hope to remove them was to declare war.
Even if Allied leaders considered this insane idea for WW3 right after (and even during) WW2, British public and US public would not allow it. What Allies tried to do is to draw future lines to block Stalin ambitions and it did succeed , for Austria for example.
As for Polish people who feel betrayed - would they rather WW3 with all the terrible losses they suffered in WW2 paling by comparison with what might have happened?
Logic is poor help on issues that people respond with emotions to, but i do not see how Allies could help Poland.
Britain and the USA sold Poland to Stalin during WWII.