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Your Own Personal American Revolution: 10 Things YOU Can Do Now, Really, To Start Change

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:45 AM
I have commented on other posts, and started one myself about revolution. I keep seeing the same things person can't change anything. While this is partly true, one person can START the change. You make the change, you convince others to make the change and soon you have your revolution. Is it easy? NO. It wasn't easy for our forefathers either, but they did it. We are the proverbial fatted calf being led to the slaughter. If each of us takes responsibility and makes our own changes, others WILL follow. Look at the Tea Party movement. Look how fast it caught on AND put many of it's members in office. It can happen, but if you sit back and wait for someone else to start it, it will never happen. Be responsible, take responsibility for your life, do what needs done even if it isn't easy and start the revolution!

I for one quit using credit cards. The only debt I have is my home. I set up a special checking account that I put 10% of my pay into each payday. That is my credit card. If I have an emergency I have cash at hand and I am not feeding the machine. Read The Instant Millionaire by David Bach. Each one of us has a "latte factor". Something we spend money on each day that we could go without, or make at home for pennies on the dollar. Let's say you go to Starbucks each morning and buy a large coffee. Not sure of the price, but I've heard it's $5.00. For 20 workdays a month, that equals $100 per month you could save, or $1,200 per year! We all live within our means, which means if you put $25/week into an account, your spending will adjust to compensate for it. How many times a week do you eat out for lunch? Lunch now, even at the evil empire will set you back $7.00. That's $140/mo. Add that to the starbucks and you could be saving $240/mo or $2880/yr! that's a car payment! And while doing so you shaft the machine. I have managed over the course of 3 years, with no increase in income, to be able to save $12,000/yr just by doing these small things. That's half of a new car! It can be done, but it's not easy. Nothing worth doing is easy.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 09:50 AM

6. Stop tithing or donating to your church if it is engaged in ANY political activism. I know many won't agree, but I believe a key problem in the U.S. is the politicization of our worship. When politics combine with religion, all reason and rationality go out the door because the two are mutually exclusive. Religion is personal and spiritual. It is BY DEFINITION based on FAITH, whereas politics, the Constitution and civic issues belong in the realm of facts.

I know that churches need money to survive, however if you need to contribute more then the alternative is to contribute to outside charities. Me I figure that giving to groups that help relive suffering and assist people is better that giving to a church that uses the funds for something I don't agree with. I use a couple of charity rating sites to find ones who I agree with then check them out to make sure they aren't a front for some corporation.

Charity Navigator

Top Rated Charities

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 10:09 AM
You make some really awesome points. Thanks for sharing. I Think by all of us doing some of the little things you mentioned, we can make an impact in a really big big way!!!

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 10:19 AM
I would let people know about GM foods to.
make a small poster. with just facts.
carfully worded. so no way can I do it!
make it look nice. maybe some one here can do this?
then get your local shops to put it on there post board.
and This infomation.
we need to let people with out computers know whats going on.
Please some one do this!...

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 10:45 AM
Thanks for a great post OP! Very well thought out and definitely doable for most people in our nation. I already follow those ideas, although for work purposes, we must have a bank card (not a credit card). Keeping money in our RV is a no no, if you want to retain those funds. (theft)

We definitely live within our means, and we buy american, make sure we use the local towns instead of the larger cities for groceries and such, to keep the money in the community we visit. We rarely eat out, saving those times for special occasions like anniversaries and birthdays, and again, we visit a local eatery, vs some big chain. Besides, local eateries will cater more to my special dietary needs. =) (and I always leave a hefty tip!)

We buy local fresh food when it's available. I prefer the fresh produce and refuse to buy more than potatoes or perhaps lettuce from the grocery store. I use a meat locker for fresh meat, again stimulating the local economy of where we are currently located.

It comes pretty natural to us, and although I know we don't do it 100% of the time, I'd say its easily 95%.We rarely use Walmart or any of the big chain stores, because they are dirty, crowded and full of people with colds, the flu etc.....(another good reason to avoid those big stores) and I prefer to stay as healthy as possible.

Thanks again for such a thought provoking write up.
S n F for you!!! =)

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 11:03 AM
There is a website called where each month there is a world wide effort to get as many people as possible to strike. For one day, withhold your spending. The only thing the big corporations will take notice of is when we the people cut off their money. Hit'em in the pocketbook is the only effective way. Boy, it is lightening quick they take notice of that.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 11:04 AM
Although I agree with your principles of taking back control of our monetary system, it is doomed. The Zeitgeist movies are a very good learning resource to understand our global social problems that are escalating today.

Also, we should be taking advantage of technology and minimizing costs with hyperinflation on the horizon. I have found the "Alpha Strategy" to be a useful concept in todays economy. Our unemployed should be put to use learning new skills that can be used to improve manufacturing needs while improving our infrastructure and producing U.S. goods other countries demand.

Using a simple economic strategy of boycotting any organization/institution to attack them economically is the best way to effect change using capitalism in our monetary system. This is how our country influences power in the global economy. For example, if we wanted to place pressure on high fuel prices, we should boycott Exxon and Mobil, the two largest companies. Consumption drives the market. Other factors for oil prices set by OPEC are global political interests for energy (adjusted production) and the stability of the U.S. petro-dollor. Increased fuel prices affect everything down line by affecting the consumption of energy needed to supply food and other goods.

Credit cards with no annual fee and paid off every month with no interest charges are a responsible intelligent use of a plastic consumer tool. If needed for an emergency, credit cards are a needed resource for a quick loan. The banks provide a convenience fee for undisciplined consumer loans. I do not like to carry large amounts of cash while enjoying a comprehensive statement for my spending.

The main point is, take advantage of technology while minimizing costs for convenience. Remember the fundamental rule of freedom is to enjoy life and liberty while not hurting anyone else or their property.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 11:05 AM
Just an idea for thought:

America's Tea Party 2011

On this Day think of what we as true Americans CAN do for OUR Country

I, as an american, have been silent too long. I have allowed the Government of this country to become an abomination in the eyes of our great founders. It is because of this silence we no longer have a Government of the people, by the people, for the people. It is time we take a stand together. Just as our Fore Fathers stood together against what they perceived as a tyrannical, unjust Government, it is our responsibility to do the same.

1) I ask that you print off 2 copies of the 2011 form W4
2) Fill out 1 copy and claim 12 dependents on line D. This will not be a lie we taxpayers each support many more than that number in reality.
3) On July 5th when you return to work give this new W4 to your HR personnel or payroll department.

Special notes:

1) Take the additional money you receive on your check and place it in a seperate savings account. At such time as the Government understands that we the People will no longer be held hostage in our own country we will pay what we owe.
2) Remember we are not against taxes just an unfair system and unfair representation by our Government.
3) Anyone who tries to make this a "right" or a "left" political issue is an enemy of the people. We must all stand as one.
4) The second form W4 will be used at such time as the Government has made a concerted effort towards repair of our Government.
5) Money is all the greedy politicians understand so we must show them we do control the money.
6) If we could just see progress towards at least four items from the list below we could use the second form W4 and start the system back up again.

What I would like to see:

1) Put a stop to the revolving door where politicians (or their relatives) serve big business making laws then go to work for them after leaving office, or make money investing in them.
2) Put a stop to Military personnel (or their relatives) going to work with companies they had oversight of while serving.
3) A complete overhaul of the Tax system and plan for a simplified fair tax system. There are too many tax laws with loopholes for big business and the rich. A flat tax system would be nice or possibly a progressive tax system. If you have more you should pay more. Welfare is a problem. Corporate Welfare is an even bigger problem.
4) Stop the war money machine. Too many people are making money while our young men die.
5) Stop making unnecessary new laws and review, and uphold the laws already written.
6) The rights delegated by Our Constitution is for Our Citizens. Although we need to treat others as we would like to be treated we must put an end to illegals demanding welfare from us. We need to take care of our own sick and poor before we destroy America trying to take care of illegal immigrants and other nations. Our Country needs to support other countries to help them to learn how to deal with their own problems. We can no longer take on the burden of other Countries as Our problem.
7) Transparency in Government. It is OUR Government.
8) Our great nation producing goods and fair trade practices being implemented.

I could go on but if Our Government would just make an attempt to act like civilized people who care for their fellow men this action would not be necessary. I believe the time is right for this action. I am tired of the news media being used against us like some hypnotic machine only telling us what it's master manipulators want us to know. I am tired of worrying about "will I have a Job" while I read stories of how much money we promised to some foreign power. I am tired of MY ELECTED OFFICIALS pledging support to countries who openly despise America.

I ask you to please stand with me on this July 4th, 2011 and say enough is enough. All we are asking is what should be taking place in this great country we live in.

Please send this to as many friends as you can and let us all stand together

I would love to be able to sign my name to this but since I no longer trust the Government of the United States I must refrain from doing so. Only a movement will bring Our Great Country together again as it once was.

I am new to ATS so if this needs to go somewhere else anyone has permission to move it.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 11:35 AM
reply to post by B.Morrison

These things will work in any capitalist driven country where people are fighting against privatization.....

This is probably the greatest lie ever told to us by the elite!

What is happening in the world today has NOTHING to do with "Capitalism" or for that matter "Free Market" it is "Corporatism" or more precisely "Oligarchy" a form of government in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. Socialism, Communism, Marxism, or Corporatism ALL end up as an Oligarchy. Only with Capitalism with its basis grounded in individual freedom and property rights is there any hope of not devolving into some form of Oligarchy.

As usual to defend my statement I am going to write a book.
However this is probable THE most important concept we as a free people must understand since it is the one principle that must be trashed and ground into the dust if the elite are to win.

Capitalism and the Free Market

This is a matter of the meaning of words. TPTB are very very good at naming a skunk, Rose and slavery, Freedom. "The Patriot Act" which tramples the heck out of the US Constitution or "the Food Safety Modernization Act" that is guaranteed to promote very unsafe food are prime examples. See: HACCP about why our food here in the USA is unsafe. And also Shielding the Giant: The USDA's “Don't Look, Don't Know” for an example of Corporatism in action.

The "Free Market" concept has ZERO to do with the atrocity that is called a "Free Market" by the Transnationals. Please bare with me as I try to put my thoughts into words since there are several parts to the puzzle.

First a definition of "Free Market"


The free market is a summary term for an array of exchanges that take place in society. Each exchange is undertaken as a voluntary agreement between two people or between groups of people represented by agents. These two individuals (or agents) exchange two economic goods, either tangible commodities or nontangible services.

.....But exchanges are not necessarily free. Many are coerced. If a robber threatens you with “Your money or your life,” your payment to him is coerced and not voluntary, and he benefits at your expense. It is robbery, not free markets, that actually follows the mercantilist model: the robber benefits at the expense of the coerced. Exploitation occurs not in the free market, but where the coercer exploits his victim. In the long run, coercion is a negative-sum game that leads to reduced production, saving, and investment, a depleted stock of capital, and reduced productivity and living standards for all....

So why do I claim the so called "free Market" of the World Trade Organization is an "atrocity" and not a free exchange of goods???

Here is one example of how WTO "Free Market" exchanges are not necessarily free but are coerced.

GGM food must be allowed into Europe, WTO rules

By Stephen Castle in Brussels 8 February 2006

Europe faces new pressure to open its markets to genetically-modified food from the US after the World Trade Organization ruled that the EU broke international rules with its moratorium on new licenses.

A lengthy and complex preliminary ruling from the WTO said that a de facto Europe-wide ban, which prevented new corn, cotton and soybean products from entering the European market, was not based on scientific concerns....

In most European countries there is acute suspicion of GM technology....

The US food system is rigged... the FDA’ “Food Czar,” Michael Taylor, [is] a former Monsanto employee.

Taylor, the senior advisor to the Commissioner of Food and Drug Administration, (DHHS) and strong supporter of Codex Alimentarius, worked for a law firm hired by Monsanto that drafted and submitted the policy brief/outline justifying GMO food for approval to the USDA. GMO foods were later introduced into the US food system as “equivalent to normal foods,” or words to that effect, with no labeling requirements during the 1990’s.

The multi-national GM seed manufacturers refused to label GMO products because (1) they knew liability might consume them if links were ever established that their GM food harmed humans and (2) because few consumers would buy their products if a GM label was on the package.

Therefore, neither they, the WHO, FAO, FDA, nor the so-called “international food standard”—Codex Alimentarius —are about food or food safety....

"A VOLUNTARY agreement between two people or between groups of people represented by agents????" If you believe that I have this bridge I want to sell.....

On to "Capitalism" and small vs large business.

Anyone who has dealt with livestock knows there is an "optimum size" For example human giants die early. The optimum size for equines is about 58 inches or 14 hands 2 inches. SURPRISE - this is the historical size of the Arabian, the Morgan, the Quarter Horse and the Haflinger, a versatile horse originating in the Austrian Alps.

Businesses are the same:

US Small Business Administration states:

Small firms:

* Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.

* Employ just over half of all private sector employees.

* Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.

* Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years.

* Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).

* Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer programmers).

* Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.

* Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.

* Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.

...Typically small businesses are more flexible, creative, nimble, innovative, and responsive. By proportion small companies deal with fewer challenges and incur less cost. Small companies are more open to change and can get things done faster. Because they are not mired down in a lot of bureaucracy they have the ability to ... quickly implement a plan of action. Speedy implementation leads to quick and measurable results.

How many times have we heard that large farms are more productive than small farms, and that we need to consolidate land holdings to take advantage of that greater productivity and efficiency? The actual data shows the opposite --

small farms produce far more per acre or hectare than large farms.

.....Large farmers tend to plant monocultures because they are the simplest to manage with heavy machinery. Small farmers, especially in the Third World, are much more likely to plant crop mixtures -- intercropping -- where the empty space between the rows is occupied by other crops. They usually combine or rotate crops and livestock, with manure serving to replenish soil fertility.

Such integrated farming systems produce far more per unit area than do monocultures. Though the yield per unit area of one crop -- corn, for example -- may be lower on a small farm than on a large monoculture farm, the total production per unit area, often composed of more than a dozen crops and various animal products, can be far higher.....

Small Farms in Economic Development

In farming communities dominated by large corporate farms, nearby towns died off....

Where family farms predominated, there were more local businesses, paved streets and sidewalks, schools, parks, churches, clubs, and newspapers, better services, higher employment, and more civic participation. Recent studies confirm that Goldschmidt’s findings remain true.....

So the data shows that "small" has the economic advantage over “large” therefore WHY do we have transnational firms????

The stock answer is "Economy of scale" But that really does not pass the smell test.

In a small business the owner knows what is going on and a decent firm promotes the free exchange of ideas between workers, customers and upper management. For example at Lowes Hardware ALL management spends time on the floor as a sales clerk on a regular basis. They are now taking business away from Home Depot. because they have remained in touch with their customers and employees.

Second as a firm grows it adds layers of management, “Policies and Procedures” reports and tons of other paperwork.

To level the playing field ISO [International Standards Organization] was introduced.

In the mid 1980's I went to one of the first seminars on ISO 9000 offered in the USA. As someone entering the field a few years before, I thought it sounded pretty good and said so to my seat-mate from Russia. His scathing reply blew me away “We had same system in Soviet Union. It did not work. It produce paper not quality”

Years later Scott Dalgleish, finally put into words what all of us QC types knew.

Dalgleish contends that ISO 9000 misdirects resources to an overabundance of paperwork that does almost nothing to make products better, while fostering complacency among top management and quality professionals alike. The recent conversion to the 2000 version of the standard has only made things worse, he says. While ISO 9000:2000 has almost no effect on how good companies operate, it requires huge amounts of time for document revision that could better be spent on real quality improvement, he believes.

Probing the Limits: ISO 9001 Proves Ineffective

I'm wondering if there might be a silent majority of Quality readers out there on the topic of ISO 9000. The response to my July editorial, "Eliminate ISO 9000?," was the heaviest that we have received in some time. I got lots of e-mails from readers about the piece, which reported the views of Scott Dalgleish, a quality professional who has been publicly critical of the impact of ISO 9000 on manufacturers, and has suggested that companies eliminate ISO 9000 altogether from their quality management systems.

Many of the responses were quite articulate, and some were humorous and entertaining. You can read a sampling in this month's Quality Mailbag department on p. 12.

One thing that struck me about the letters I received is that almost all expressed some level of agreement with Dalgleish, particularly on issues related to excessive ISO 9000 documentation requirements. As you'll see in the Mailbag department, one reader even said that his company has already dropped its ISO 9001 certification with no apparent negative effects.

What surprised me is that the July editorial elicited no ardent rebuttals in defense of ISO 9000.

Yet many companies still require their vendors to be “ISO certified”

The next method of “Leveling the playing field” is REGULATION!

...Jadwiga and I were able to address a meeting with the Brussels-based committee responsible for negotiating Poland’s agricultural terms of entry into the EU....

I explained to the attendant body that in a Country where 22 percent of the working population are involved in agriculture, and the majority on small farms, it would not be a good idea to follow the same regime as had been operated in the UK and other EU member countries, in which ‘restructuring’ agriculture had involved throwing the best farmers off the land and amalgamating their farms into large scale monocultural operations...

After clearing her throat and leaning slowly forward, the chair-lady said: “I don't think you understand what EU policy is... it will be necessary to shift around one million farmers off the land...

There in a nutshell you have the whole tragic story of the clinically instigated demise of European farming over the past three decades.

.... a lady from Portugal, who rather quietly remarked that since Portugal joined the European Union, 60 percent of small farmers had already left the land. “The European Union is simply not interested in small farms,” she said....

Farmers,... suddenly find themselves heavily controlled by EU and national officialdom brandishing that most vicious of anti-entrepreneurial weapons: ‘sanitary and hygiene regulations’ ... These are the hidden weapons of mass destruction of farmers and the main tool for achieving the CAP’s aim of ridding the countryside of small- and medium-sized family farms and replacing them with monocultural money-making agribusiness.

....That ’game’ was all too familiar to me. Spend hours out of your working day filling in endless forms, filing maps and measuring every last inch of your fields, tracks and farmsteads; applying for ‘passports’ for your cattle and ear tags for your sheep and pigs; re-siting the slurry pit and putting stainless steel and washable tiles on the dairy walls; becoming versed in HASAP hygiene and sanitary rules and applying them where any food processing was to take place; and living under the threat of convictions and fines should one put a finger out of place or be late in supplying some official details...

Already by 2005, 65 percent of regional milk and meat processing factories had been forced to close because they ‘failed’ (read couldn’t afford) to implement the prescribed sanitary standards. Some 70 percent of small slaughter houses have also suffered the same fate. Farmers increasingly have nowhere to go to sell their cattle, sheep, pigs and milk. Exactly as has happened to UK farmers, Polish farmers are now being forced out of business by the covert and overt destruction of the infrastructure which supports their profession....

Another method of killing small business is “Subsidies.” In the USA and Europe taxpayer money is paid to farmers for “commodity crops” This means these crops can be sold by the international grain traders at well below production costs. This vastly under-priced grain is the reason livestock confinement operations can compete with grass-fed family owned farms and it is the reason third world farmers are bankrupted by the likes of Cargill and Monsanto. The whole strategy paid for by US and EU tax payers. - A "free exchange of goods"???
Yeah right.

The last reason is the most important, hardest to explain and substantiate.

Fractional Reserve Banking

Gresham's Law is commonly stated as: "Bad money drives out good"

This is what happened to "Capitalism" One definition of Capitalism is reinvesting WEALTH to produce more WEALTH. Fiat money is NOT wealth and Fractional Reserve Banking replaces the reinvestment of wealth with the expansion of fiat currency.

That expansion has caused the US dollar to lose 96% of its value. Value (or wealth) has been moved from Main Street to Wall Street as a result through wage deflation and price inflation.

In 1976 A typical American CEO earned 36 times as much as the average worker. By 2008 the average CEO pay increased to 369 times that of the average worker.

The best definition of Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned, and the government's role is to PROTECT those rights for EVERYONE not just the privileged few.

Therefore Capitalism, as stated above, is a free exchange of goods and services.

However with governments forcing Fractional Reserve Banking upon society all of a sudden a group of people (Bankers) are trading useless slips of paper or worse a few key strokes for huge amounts of good, services and labor!

Buddies of the bankers can now "borrow" large quantities of these useless slips of paper and use them to completely disrupt the normal flow of economic exchange.

For example:


"....These days, corporations seem to exist for the investment bankers....

In fact, investment banks are replacing the publicly held industrial corporations as the largest and most powerful economic institutions in America....

THERE ARE SIGNS THAT A VICIOUS spiral has begun, as each corporate player seeks to improve its standard of living at the expense of another's. Corporate raiders transfer to themselves, and other shareholders, part of the income of employees by forcing the latter to agree to lower wages.

In a "leveraged" buyout a Corporate Raider BORROWS fiat money to buy stock. He is using the corporation HE DOES NOT OWN as COLLATERAL for the loan.

If todays "Capitalists" had to use real wealth that is an accumulation of the good/services THEY produced, and not fiat currency printed by criminal bankers, if the government did not play favorites "TOO BIG TO FAIL"
then all ovf society would benefit from REAL CAPITALISM!

...Jonah Goldberg explains that our capitalist system itself is the most valuable national asset we've got.

Capitalism is the greatest system ever created for alleviating general human misery, and yet it breeds ingratitude.

People ask, “Why is there poverty in the world?” It’s a silly question. Poverty is the default human condition. It is the factory preset of this mortal coil. As individuals and as a species, we are born naked and penniless, bereft of skills or possessions. Likewise, in his civilizational infancy man was poor, in every sense. He lived in ignorance, filth, hunger, and pain, and he died very young, either by violence or disease.

The interesting question isn’t “Why is there poverty?” It’s “Why is there wealth?” Or: “Why is there prosperity here but not there?”

At the end of the day, the first answer is capitalism, rightly understood. That is to say: free markets, private property, the spirit of entrepreneurialism and the conviction that the fruits of your labors are your own....

That part is correct and from there on we get the usual TPTB/Banker lies twisted into the true.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 11:38 AM
My father is in sales and distribution and let me tell you buying products made in China or Indonesia does not harm our country. The fact of the matter is your 2.99 spent on lets say a plastic basket does not get sent over to the foreign producer. Business works by buying from the wholesaler who buys from the producer. So in all actuality your paying walmart to buy the product from the wholesaler. Now I may be wrong about this, but this is how it works in the tobacco industry. The wholesaler buys from the producer who sells to the retail store who sells to the consumer. So if you don't buy that foreign made shirt it doesn't matter, the foreign producer already has its money.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 11:53 AM
Bottom line and I say this to everyone i care about: Your Money is Your Vote.

Don't like the way big money gets involved in our politics?

Find out who contributes and Stop giving them your money!

In today's world based economy, it's pretty easy to stop supporting this company or that.

Once I found out that McFast Food was slashing down rainforest so that their cattle could eat cheap, which kept their 'beef' cheap, I stopped going there.

Very small sacrifice, and maybe it did very little to their bottom line, but if enough people trace the actions of the companies they give their money to, who knows!

Do your homework and put these earth raping, greedy SOBs where they should be - the unemployment line.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 11:54 AM
reply to post by pajoly

Good attempt but i dont think this will work i have been doing most of these things already granted some i broke down on.

1 and 2: now i still use a bank but i have no fees for atm's and bill pay my bank holds my money but i dont pay out no money to the bank eather.

3 and 4: im not rich i do only buy things i need. i dont use a cell phone. tbh i use a ipod touch many free wi-fi areas now i just find a hot spot then i use it as a cell phone, message center, gps with no monthly bills.

5: i dont fly. i ride motorcycles i take my bike for long trips. i dont do much in winter months though but thats when i really build up to have fun in summer.

6 and 7: i do not donate cash. But i do volunteer work. i use to be a building engineer/ designer currently on disability because of a sickness. but i still help build houses for people in need. and yes i will be heading down to MO in about 2 more weeks to help people that lost there house these past few weeks from weather.

8: nice thing about motorcycles as a hobby is i find some really good farmers markets wile im out on the bike just buy a bit put in my bags and ride home.

9: political donations from what i can tell most of the ones you got to be concerned about is the one thats going in the back door that you dont know about. This process is the hardest for me. there is no easy way to find out and to see the link between a political party and a Co. unless you want to sit at your pc for 3 days before buying what you need.

I dont think this will fix anything TBH It needs to be something bigger. We the people just need to stand up and take back what is OURS and get these corrupt POS out of offices revamp the entire structure. start using tech to our advantages. ether its a simple lie detector tests or better methods that is unknown to me. TBH im thinking we will prob be better off asking somebody like the USSR to help us get freedom from our corrupt political stance. hate to say it but anymore i think its true.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:35 PM
Nice thread man. Finally someone who uses common sense on these issues other than shooting every cop and government official you see.

I've accually had these exact ideas I jsut didn't put them on a thread.

Good job.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:46 PM
reply to post by denynothing

......Business works by buying from the wholesaler who buys from the producer. So in all actuality your paying walmart to buy the product from the wholesaler.......

If You refuse to BUY the foreign product AND TELL walmart that is why you are taking your business elsewhere then WALMART will refuse to buy the foreign product from the wholesaler, and then the WHOLESALER will start buying AMERICAN produced products again.


Did you or Your Dad learn that type of reasoning from an elite????

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 01:08 PM
reply to post by pajoly

Star and flag
, I completely agree that these actions would cripple big companies. I took all of my money out of the bank 2 years ago, I just do not trust banking in general. The Federal Reserve is going to be a key factor in the downfall of America.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 01:44 PM
reply to post by pajoly

I agree that there is much we can do to preserve our current situation and prepare for changes in our current circumstances. But to affect change.... Now that would be something.

There is one way we can proactively change the current system. Never mind the political parties, they are all the same. And there is little hope, or expectation that they could or will change anything. But the American people can change things with one simple action which is to paper file your taxes. I am not advocating avoiding paying taxes, in fact I would suggest pitching in a few pennies extra (it woud be a book keeping nightmare.) But this year the IRS is hiring 2000 new Auditors to review personal income taxes. Stimulus? There are over 139 million citizens who file personal income taxes each year, not counting estate taxes, business taxes ect. Over sixty percent of taxpayers now file electronically to ensure a rapid return or their preparer offers the service to them. Just look at tax software and how easy it is to use and file. (They have made it too easy to take your money) But what if only ten percent of the of the electronic filers were to file a paper return instead. That's an extra 8 million returns that would have to been reviewed by hand. The effect would be incredible, first it would give those 2000 agents something to do, second I doubt they could find a place to keep an extra 8 million paper returns and third it would be a means to let the government know that they have to be responsible on how they use our money.

edit on 3-6-2011 by feltbuckhorn because: mispelling

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Passafist
Nice thread man. Finally someone who uses common sense on these issues other than shooting every cop and government official you see.

I've accually had these exact ideas I jsut didn't put them on a thread.

Good job.


posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 01:50 PM
Good list. Been doing all this for years. haven't put money in a major bank in something like 5-7 years. It is MUCH easier than you think.

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 01:54 PM
1. Sit in your bedroom and turn on with your friends.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:06 PM
reply to post by ladyinwaiting

....Not sure what you are really getting at here, and why it is pertinent to this topic. People sometimes WAIVE their right to a jury trial.....

The subject is what WE can do as a Personal American Revolution

How jury trials are treated varies from state to state. THIS is what I was referring to:

...Today, the constitutions of only two states -- Maryland and Indiana -- clearly declare the nullification right, although two others -- Georgia and Oregon -- refer to it obliquely.

The informed jury movement would like all states to require that judges instruct juries on their power to serve, in effect, as the final legislature of the land concerning the law in a particular case.

...Though organized by libertarian activists, the Fully Informed Jury Amendment movement includes liberals and conservatives, Greens, drug decriminalization advocates, gun owner groups, peace activists, both sides of the abortion controversy, helmet and seatbelt activists, alternative medicine practitioners, taxpayer rights groups, environmentalists, criminal trial lawyers and law professors.

.... FIJA seeks to require that juries be informed of their nullification rights. Informed jury amendments have been filed as an initiative in seven states and legislation has been introduced in the Alaska state legislature.

Merely raising the issue of nullification can make prosecutors nervous, for it takes only one person aware of the right in order to hang a jury.

In Washington, DC, where the concept was discussed in connection with the Marion Barry trial, a local television station reported that the US Attorney was worried that a jury might nullify the law in that case. The joke in DC was that Barry was campaigning, but only for one vote, that of a single juror. The specific charges against Barry revolved around his use of drugs and a growing number of people are coming to accept the argument that drug use or addiction should not be a criminal offense. Further many DC residents were concerned about the prosecution's heavy-handed pursuit of the mayor. Despite the refusal of courts to inform juries of their right to nullify, American juries have periodically exercised it anyway. In recent years, some peace protesters have been acquitted despite strong evidence that they violated the law. In the 19th century northern juries would refuse to convict under the fugitive slave laws. And in 1735 journalist Peter Zenger, accused of seditious libel, was acquitted by a jury that ignored the court's instructions on the law.....

I can think of no other issue where we can have as much influence as the Fully Informed Jury Amendment movement.

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