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Obama Admin has an Excellent New Plan To Revive American Education, It's Brilliant!

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posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:40 PM
This programme sounds horrendous to me. They want control of kids from birth onwards. I wonder why?

If I had a young child I'd keep him/her as far away from their schools and indoctrination programmes as possible.

It's clear to me that the State wants to assert their ownership of all children. The Vatican actually owns all of us, now it looks as they are going to assert that in real terms.

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posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:41 PM
reply to post by wcitizen


More open-minded learning. Require more research, and personal input. Expand curriculums to include more world history, world geography, and world literature. It is a shame when kids sneaking over from Cuba are 2 or 3 grade levels ahead of American students, even in American history!! Don't even mention Russian or German literature or history to an American student! I didn't learn about Kafka until I was 30!!

Rote memorization has a place. A very, very small place, and after that comes learning of concepts and learning to read for comprehension, and learning to discern fact from hypothesis.

Hell, ATS should be required reading in schools!!

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:43 PM

Originally posted by wcitizen
And how about education instead of indoctrination.

Whenever I see this accusation levied, I can't help but wonder; is the person making the accusation actually hoping for education, or simply seeking to have their own outlooks indoctrinated into children?

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:44 PM

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Before we attack the problem of pre-kindergardners, how about we tackle the problem of lowering the standards expected of highschoolers and middle schoolers?

I mean, what is the point of having them better prepared at age 5, if we aren't going to expect anything out of them for the next 12 years?

Restore the ability to flunk students, and expel students, and discipline students. Raise the standards and expectations, and make kids earn their grades and their diplomas.

Once we get all of that straightened out, then maybe we can look at preschoolers.

This is exactly the same topic that myself and many of my colleagues feel is more important. In the past decade (maybe even longer) the education system has been catering to the lowest common denominator, in the way of lowering standards, lowering the threshold for a passing grade, and refusing to expel, flunk, or otherwise discipline students. This, coupled with an internet/video game/television babysitter mentality, the kids just aren't getting any better.

There are problems at all levels, from the top to the local municipalities, to the administration, and even many teachers (who are there to collect a paycheck. I despise them the most, because I never got into education to "just collect a paycheck"). The parents are equally to blame, with the reasons that I stated above. When push comes to shove, and districts have to make cuts in staff, the first ones to go are always the youngest (and most progressive) teachers. Us "youngin's" understand that times have changed, and that we need to adapt to these changing times. Many of the older teachers cannot, or will not change and adapt with the times. The Federal level spends too much time on research studies to figure out why kids are doing so poorly, the state level spends too much time trying to get funding from the Federal level to keep schools running, and the local municipalities spend too much time trying to convince taxpayers to pinch their pennies even more to keep the good teachers in the classrooms. It's a cycle that needs to end somewhere, because many of us younger teachers are beginning to give up. We cannot find permanent jobs, we are constantly being targeted as part of the whole teacher witch hunt, and we are constantly trying to search for reasons to stay with our jobs.

In this end (and I know this sounds very cliche), the only people who are hurting in all of this is our children.

Stop the needless wars, stop the pork, stop the superfluous spending, and maybe, just *maybe* we can get our children back on the right track.

Squirming, wriggling five year olds should be the least of the Department of Education's concerns.

Peace be with you.


posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:48 PM

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by wcitizen


More open-minded learning. Require more research, and personal input. Expand curriculums to include more world history, world geography, and world literature. It is a shame when kids sneaking over from Cuba are 2 or 3 grade levels ahead of American students, even in American history!! Don't even mention Russian or German literature or history to an American student! I didn't learn about Kafka until I was 30!!

Rote memorization has a place. A very, very small place, and after that comes learning of concepts and learning to read for comprehension, and learning to discern fact from hypothesis.

Hell, ATS should be required reading in schools!!

At the core would be the encouragement of the development of love for self and others, self-esteem, knowledge of self, etc. These are natural in kids and just need to be encouraged.

Love for the planet. Life skills like growing a vegetable plot.

Encouragement to think for oneself and question things.

The various hypotheses about historic events, not just the party line on historic events.

Researching, yes, investigating,

No instilling of fear. A safe, joyous, creative environment where all are valued.

You didn't learn about Kafka till you were 30? Oh my. Yes, world history, geography, literature. There are some truly beautiful works from all over the world.

Co-operation, appreciation of different cultures.

Expressing oneself with confidence and ease.

Oh, I love it!

ETA: Education for living a good and enjoyable life, not just for earning a living.

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posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 01:00 PM
Leave it to socialists to want full Government control from birth onward.

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 01:03 PM
we put on man on the moon before carters department of education

now all we do it put idiots on tv instead of producing scientists and engineers we make tv stars.

americans priorities are out of whack womb to the tomb mentality is killing this country.

remember this one thing if anything you ever read on here or from me.

a stupid population is a easy population to control and they have succeeded.,

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 01:07 PM
reply to post by ModernAcademia

Since there has been no increase in student scores since the creation of the Department of Education and there has been exponentially more and more money being thrown at it I would say it is useless. Its a money pit and really should be the function of the individual states.

Of course, this brings up how do we ensure conformity amongst the numerous states, how do we base success of education, how do states "survive" without the 9.5% or so subsidies it receives from the federal government? These are questions that no politician will ever tackle or take on. It is much easier to say you are "for the children" and keep dumping money at it.

The core of the problem is the centralization of education into Washington, rather than more control at the state and local levels. Separate the responsibility from the people, they will invariably stop caring. Which has been the case since the creation of the Department of Education. Since more direct democracy works at a smaller, local level and less and less at the higher functions of government, the people are left with trying to combat other states that want all the bells and whistles, all extra education that is infused into our public school system and are losing to social engineering schemes rather than providing a solid basis of the basic skill set one needs to move forward in life.

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 03:05 PM
This litany of new problems with our education system is because of the Department of Education. They are not trying to solve anything. Shut them down and turn it over to the States where it belongs.

Parents need to reconnect with their kids, turn off the blackberry, read a book or play a game with their kids. The Department of Education has been wrongfully entrusted with the most treasured gift that any parent could ever have.

Let's look at the ROOT problem and go from there to find the answer. That answer lies in the home first and foremost!!

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 03:16 PM
reply to post by ModernAcademia

Sure, let's throw more money at a problem money hasn't yet been able to solve. Call it another stimulus.

When are we going to get a clue that "education" is a big black hole in the universe that will suck up every dollar you choose to throw at it and produce nothing in return. More learning would take place if we gave kids chalk and a slate and made them walk five miles uphill barefoot in 2 feet of snow carrying their little brother in order to get to school. If they wanted it bad enough to do that, they'd get an education. If you hand it to them on a silver platter with sugar and spice and a free ipad, it's going to mean nothing.

And here's a dumb idea - why not try to get the parents involved.

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 04:55 PM
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

Hey So i am for wars??? really!! I am for wars??!! really?! I am for burning pilageing and looting okay. When did I say i was for wars. Or people like me are for wars. yeah okay!! SO i am for wars and one of the major reason I support ron paulis because of his foriegn policy and stopping wars, I am for war though I am for killing children! The next thread i do is gonna be maga Rant,. Cuz I am for wars! apparently

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 05:00 PM

Originally posted by TWILITE22
reply to post by ModernAcademia
You know this kind of thing really ticks me off first of all young children(2 thru 5) should not be expected to sit still.Children at that age learn thru playing not sitting still in a classroom,my children went to Montessori school in Japan at the age of three my daughter was reading and doing basic geometry thru playing!How do they propose to make them sit still?medicate them?how about the government take the toxins out of the food and water we have to feed our children?How about they stop giving babies vaccines as soon as they take a lets teach them how to sit still in a classroom...

Advice for those with little ones please consider home schooling your children!!
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Yes, I would agree, the Nanny State is anti-Montessori.

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 05:02 PM
reply to post by neo96

Right because this was gradual plan I think even Norman dodd said so that it was plan to dumbdown theeducation system to get the teachers that they wanted in that would teach what they wanted to teach okay. So this was plan put in by grdualism. and it fully metastasized by having both parents working and not being able to see to the child's education and learning and critical thinking capabilities.

ANd also you can;t forget the fact that it was because of people like me who are for wars.

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 05:20 PM
reply to post by ModernAcademia

What can you expect from a mediocre education? mediocre political leaders sitting in positions that will make more morons out of the population.

That is what we got in America, morons in government.

In order to make America competitive like it was in the 70s when it was number one in education in the world, is to replace the old and decrepit system we got today with a brand new one, but that will never happen because most of our present and past administrations has gutted education to save for their own dirty pockets and those in the elite ranks in the nation like the private sector in defense and the wealthiest in the nation.

American Education Not World Class
The schools systematically let kids down. By grade 4, American students only score in the middle of 26 countries reported. By grade 8 they are in the bottom third, and at the finish line, where it really counts, we're near dead last. Its even worse when you notice that some of the superior countries in grade 8 (especially the Asians) were not included in published 12th grade results. They do not need 12 grades.

When our own government pay millions to bring workers from over seal with visas it tells how highly regards our young with their education

Microsoft India taps Indian programming and engineering skills with 83,000 certifications issued in 1999. We import 107,000 H-1B professionals every year, half of them with PhD's.

US send millions of tax payer dollars to developing countries to train workers so they can come to the US and take the jobs that will go to those American young freshly from college.

International Test Scores
Poor U.S. Test Results
Tied To Weak Curriculum

Get angry: your tax dollars are being used to train foreign IT workers to take your jobs

This upsets me so much, it’s difficult to type, but here goes. The U.S. government is spending $22 million to train workers in foreign countries to learn tech skills and English so they can outsource American IT jobs.

I know. I can hardly believe it myself.

According to InformationWeek, the U.S. agency known as USAID (United States Agency for International Development) is partnering with outsourcing service companies in countries like Sri Lanka to teach more than 3,000 workers technology skills in tools like Enterprise Java.

We got Nothing but morons in government kissing everybody's arses but the working American tax payer

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posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 06:35 PM
reply to post by TDawgRex

that's it, it all starts at home, if we as parents are not involved in our children's education and teach our children that school is one of the most important things they can achieve as a child and get behind them. Then what can we expect.

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 06:40 PM
settle down everyone. this is more about helping vulnerable kids than seat belts on seats

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May 25, 2011

New State Competition to Establish and Expand High Quality Early Learning Programs

U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan and U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius today announced a new $500 million state-level grant competition, the Race to the Top-Early Learning Challenge. Joining Duncan and Sebelius at the announcement were business, law enforcement and military leaders who have advocated for increased investments in early learning to reduce crime, strengthen national security, and boost U.S. competitiveness.

“For kids, high quality early learning programs mean they will enter school better prepared with a greater chance of finishing high school and college,” said Vice President Joe Biden, Chairman of the Administration’s Middle Class Task Force. “Expanding access to such early education and child care programs will also make it easier for working parents to hold down a job – a key priority of the Middle Class Task Force – giving them peace of mind that their children are in a high quality learning environment while they are at work.”

“To win the future, our children need a strong start,” said Secretary Duncan. “The Race to the Top-Early Learning Challenge encourages states to develop bold and comprehensive plans for raising the quality of early learning programs across America.”

"This Challenge represents the Obama Administration’s commitment to helping vulnerable children and families reach their full potential,” said Secretary Sebelius. “Our collective health and financial security as a nation will depend on high quality investments during the critical early years of a child’s life.”

The Race to the Top-Early Learning Challenge will reward states that create comprehensive plans to transform early learning systems with better coordination, clearer learning standards, and meaningful workforce development. Secretary Duncan and Secretary Sebelius also challenged the broader innovation community – leading researchers, high-tech entrepreneurs, foundations, non-profits and others – to engage with the early learning community and to close the school readiness gap.

States applying for challenge grants will be encouraged to increase access to quality early learning programs for low income and disadvantaged children, design integrated and transparent systems that align their early care and education programs, bolster training and support for the early learning workforce, create robust evaluation systems to document and share effective practices and successful programs, and help parents make informed decisions about care for their children.

Research shows that high-quality early learning programs lead to long-lasting positive outcomes for children, including increased rates of high school graduation, college attendance and college completion. Yet, just 40 percent of 4-year olds in America are currently enrolled in preschool programs. The most recent report from the National Institute for Early Education Research (NIEER) indicates that, for the first time in a decade, states are reducing some of their key investments in early learning.

The Race to the Top-Early Learning Challenge grants will encourage states to make the best possible use of current federal and state investments in child care and early learning. The Obama Administration has sought and secured increased investments in Head Start and child care so that more families have access to quality, affordable care, while also pursuing important reforms such as requiring Head Start grantees to compete for continued funding. The administration has also steered resources towards evidence-based, cost-effective home visiting programs.

In his remarks today, Duncan also thanked Congress for supporting Race to the Top saying, "We are deeply grateful to Congress for supporting these programs. Congress understands the value of investing in education reform, particularly early learning, even in these economic times."

The Race to the To-Early Learning Challenge will be administered jointly by the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services. Starting today, the public may provide input, including data and relevant research, by visiting Guidance, eligibility, range of awards and number of grants will be announced in coming weeks. The application will be released later this summer with grants awarded to states no later than December 31, 2011.

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:50 PM
Here's a wild and crazy idea:

How about we educate parents on how to teach their children how to behave in public places from birth to age 5, so that by the time they reach school age they understand the difference between proper and improper conduct ?

Oh, and we should also educate parents on how they actually need to be an active participant in their children's education, discipline, and parental consistancy with school expectations... Oh and let's not forget to teach parents that school is not a free babysitting service.

I know, I know... it's a crazy off the wall brain fart idea.
But what the hell, we gotta start somewhere, right ?

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