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A female Navy Seal? not yet.

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posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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You obviously have no military experience. The training is hard and difficult. I am a former marine so I can attest to this. This is not a popularity contest or a social issue. This is about life and death. If you are a smoker and decide to light up, you can get people killed. There is training for this. If a woman is on her monthly, she can get people killed. That is the main reason why woman are not allowed to serve in combat (although never stated). Enemies have animals and other techniques to pick up a scent and give away your location.

The majority of men on this planet could never pass a marine corps indoc into the recon, navy seals, or rangers, much less a woman. This is because it is extremely physically demanding with limited food and sleep. I don't see a women passing these tests now, but by all means if a woman can pass these test then give her a shot. The main thing is do not lower the standards. I don't see too many women passing marine corps boot camp. I saw many men that were broken and went home crying to mommy. Marine corps boot camp is childs play next to those that move on to recon.




posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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Wow everyone on this thread is sooo macho, even the women.

Ladies should have an equal opportunity to become whatever they want but only if they can hang with the boys
, you know take the same tests and meet same requirements.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:04 AM
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This entire thread (the replies) is APPALLING.

The original premise was that if women can hack it, let them.

Which means - the same PT, the same requirements. If they can't, they can't. But why forbid them if they CAN?

Most of the men on this thread sound like a bunch of freaked out little boys who know nothing about women and never get within four feet of a real one.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:15 AM
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I understand the thought of wanting women to do what men do. There are things men do better, and things women do better. Most things that are great from women come from instincts, do I think some women in this world could pass the training? Yes. Most people acknowledge the fact that some women are just better than men in this time. When the time is right I think we will see it, may be on easier operations but you have to start somewhere.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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We cant just let anyone try out for anything. Should blind people be able to try to take a pilots test? Or driving test? Should children be able to try and fail a Navy Seal training test? We dont have time to entertain EVERY person for everyy job. Its a slippery slope.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by molenews
We cant just let anyone try out for anything. Should blind people be able to try to take a pilots test? Or driving test? Should children be anle to try and fail a Navy Seal training test?


Comparing women to people with disabilities, and children that are not physically mature is just outrageous. Most including me, are simply saying, if they can pass the test which are needed to become a Seal, what holds them back? Obviously blind people will not be good pilots, and children good soldiers, lets not be elementary.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by njh1988

Originally posted by molenews
We cant just let anyone try out for anything. Should blind people be able to try to take a pilots test? Or driving test? Should children be anle to try and fail a Navy Seal training test?


Comparing women to people with disabilities, and children that are not physically mature is just outrageous. Most including me, are simply saying, if they can pass the test which are needed to become a Seal, what holds them back? Obviously blind people will not be good pilots, and children good soldiers, lets not be elementary.


Are you really outraged my (obviously)sarcastic post? Is there an example of a woman even getting to the point where they could apply, and were denied? Or is this all in principal anyway?



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by freedom12
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Not to explain how the female body works for you, but when women menstrate, a paticular smell is emitted. In the jungle, where smells are even more important, this could give away location of your forces.
i was gonna say the exact same thing...but you beat me to it.
i remember when in BASIC, we were on a road march and this scent wafted in that got all the recruits attention...ended up being a female LT a quarter mile upwind who was wearing perfume. and scents are VERY easy to catch on too, be it blood, guts or a fragrance.

but NOT saying women aren't capable of conducting spec ops, women are able to get men to become less aggressive or distracted easier in some circumstances, i'm sure you've heard of the woman (the CIA supposedly) sent to knock off castro in the 60's?
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:49 AM
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This is the same thing as in sports.

For example, if NBA and WNBA were to join together, how long do you think it would take for all the women not to receive anymore playtime? Based upon only on the players performances. There wouldnt be a single female on the court doing something that a man wouldnt do better. That is just a simple fact. If the playtime were all about the players performance, and not trying to make the women feel equal to men.

Some women are better in some things than some men, ofcourse. But when you line the best of the best, there is not a woman wherein a man couldnt do the job better than the woman. They dont take women to the navy seals just so they can feel all feminist and proud to be a woman. They take strongest of the strongest, and if a female happens to get a better overall score than the next guy, then by all means. And no, i dont think being able to make it trough labor counts in as your resume. Even though it must be really painful.


Women are capable like men but they cant demand "equality" just because they lack the necessary skills for the job. Next thing you know we have women complaining equal treatement because they cant play on the NFL. Then women are let to play in the NFL so they can feel equal and not that long and we have to change the rules because women dont feel equal when the big men can tackle them just because they happen to be men and then the rules will be changed and tackling is forbidden.

Dont demand equality just for the sake of equality. If a woman proves herself to be up to par to the job then she will get the job. The fact just remains that generally men are better in most things so women realized to complain about "equality", because that was the only way to get it apparently. Like in this case. Women are not as good elite soldiers as men, so they decide to demand for equality, instead of proving themselves.

That is such a narrow minded view and as a society it will only slow down the process if we let weaker individuals take the spot of a more suitable individual for the particular job.

What if gays demand equality because there never have been a gay president. So we elect a gay president, not because he is the most suitable for the job, But because he is gay. Like USA didnt elect Obama for the office just because he is black, they elected the right person and not the right black, white, brown, yellow, female, male. They elected the right person for the job. Not everyone can do anyones job.

Lets put right PEOPLE on the right job, not the right MAN or the right FEMALE. So lets not put a woman to the navy seals just because she is a woman, lets put the right people in the seals. I think thats the armys point of view. And perhaps women have yet to prove themselves as elite soldiers in the ranks of the army. You seem to be a feisty women atleast by your own words, so if you feel so strongly that women can be as good, or even better soldiers than men, then why not give it a go and prove everyone?

Why do women have such a strong inferioty complex against men that they have to start demanding the positions by appealing to equality, rather than just proving their capability. Besides, there ARE in fact differences between males and females, deal with it. Not most of the woman can do the same jobs as men, they just cant. I mean the physical aspect, for example NFL and navy seals. And we can check all the worlds sport records. Running, jumping, everything that measures athletism or strenght men are better. And those are the qualitys that are looked in elite soldiers. So no wonder why theyve all been men up this point. Now i hope you can view the issue from an rational and fact based point of view, rather than men vs woman point of view.


And i apologize if the text is messy, had to write with my phone, computer is at the service.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by njh1988

Originally posted by molenews
We cant just let anyone try out for anything. Should blind people be able to try to take a pilots test? Or driving test? Should children be anle to try and fail a Navy Seal training test?


Comparing women to people with disabilities, and children that are not physically mature is just outrageous. Most including me, are simply saying, if they can pass the test which are needed to become a Seal, what holds them back? Obviously blind people will not be good pilots, and children good soldiers, lets not be elementary.


Not true, I'm a 14 year old girl. I am 5'6 and a half inches tall, curvy and I can run for 6 miles. I used to do it every day, I would practice running for him. But that is another story. I could pass for 18 or 20, I am perfectly capable I do 105 push-ups a day.

I was trained by my aunt, one of the burliest women I know. Plus my uncle, was a survivalist. I'm capable and I have the don't give an f attitude. With psychopathic tendancies I could join the navy but will I ? Nope, I'm too antisocial to be bothered with people.

As my aunt says "If I ain't putting a knife in your back, I just don't want to be bothered!"
peace



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 01:18 AM
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I'm really shocked at the degree of non-thinking going on here. The OP clearly states that if a woman CAN pass the test (obviously without CHANGING the test), she should be allowed to join.

Most of the replies I'm reading then propose all kinds of reasons (most of which are INCREDIBLY uneducated) about why women would supposedly never be able to pass those tests. They then use those reasons as their basis for suggesting the OP is wrong - i.e. that women should continue to be disallowed from joining.

Let's take another look here, and this time, let's THINK about this.

The OP's position is:
If a woman can pass the test, she should be allowed to join.

Most of the arguments state:
A woman cannot pass the test.
Therefore, she should not be allowed to join.

The ridiculous part is, when pressed about their assumption that no woman on the face of the Earth ever born for all eternity could ever possibly pass the test, these same people often say, "Well, ha ha, *punch in the shoulder*, if they COULD pass the test then, pshh, SURE. But they never will."

In other words, they AGREE WITH THE OP.... and they don't even REALIZE it. Incredible!

Look, people. The debate here is simple. Either you believe that all women are and always will be INCAPABLE of passing the Navy SEAL tests, or you DON'T. If you do believe it's POSSIBLE.... then why on Earth wouldn't they be allowed to join???

And whenever I read this stuff about a hypothetical SEAL girl giving away your position in the jungle, or wearing smelly perfume, or especially when someone says "I'm not being sexist" and then in the same breath goes on to describe how they view military women as bumbling fools, I'm seriously disturbed. I even catch myself laughing sometimes because this is the kind of ridiculous crap you normally hear on comedy television. But then I remember these are serious viewpoints being expressed.

*facepalm!* ... REALLY??!!

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 01:33 AM
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IF they pass the test...its not just like you walk in and do one test, its months to just get in then its years of hard training barely any men make it. I highly doubt a woman would make it only a couple men make it out of hundreds that try out.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 01:37 AM
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The question you should be asking is, why doesn't anyone use a squad of female special ops, anyone at all

From terrorists in the Middle East to regular ops like the Mossad or SAS, why has no-one used an all female squad?



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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In a world that's been run by men since the dawn of recorded history, I wouldn't expect to find a male-oriented government suddenly breaking stride and forming an "all-female squad" to its top-priority missions just for kicks and giggles. Thankfully I'd like to think we're entering a new chapter in our history where we have the wisdom to re-evaluate our traditional practices. And I don't think anyone is suggesting the SEAL's should become "all-female" anyway. But do you think it's the case that no special ops force in history has allowed ANY females to join? I don't think that's the case, do you?



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:34 AM
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some of the comments here turned my stomach. back in high school and college i truly (and very ignorantly) believed that men and women were on an even playing field, that sexism was largely a problem of the past, that sexist pigs were the exception not the rule. blind optimism, seemingly misplaced after growing up with a father who frequently argued that men were better qualified, in all ways, to serve in the armed forces, and that i would never amass half his financial success in life because "women just aren't risk takers or entrepreneurs. try accounting". i wanted to prove him wrong, i wanted to discredit those clinging to an outdated ideology which we can't seem to wash from the social fabric, i wanted to ensure that my (generation's) children and future generations would never say this to their own daughters. breaking into finance as a female i knew that the effort required to launch and progress my career would be far greater than that required of most male counterparts. it's no secret that the old boys network is truly "no girls allowed". i already had several years of experience working from the bottom up at a hedge fund throughout college, my skin was thick from the battle field, how much worse could it get? i've gone through hell and back over the past 5 years, relentlessly jockeyed for each and every opportunity, busted my ass 16-18 hours/day, 6 days/week, suffered entirely unwarranted verbal abuse and public embarrassment from male colleagues all while they staked claim to my work and ideas. i suppose it was my pride which kept me from giving up, complaining or crying harassment, despite the countless 12am cab rides home from work thinking "maybe he was right, maybe i can't do this". lucky for my pride and hard head i put in my time and broke in to the other side. of course there are men who will never respect women or their intelligence, especially in business. the status quo is something the old boys network grips tightly--unfortunately they have a serious and mounting dirty little secret--more and more qualified women who are willing to work just as hard, usually harder than them, and are oftentimes more intelligent (with far fewer ties and loyalties to their power player brethren running the show). this is a top down, pervasive culture. i won't accept this fate for future generations, because what are we living for if not for progress? we can shape our destiny. because of this, and in honor of the sacrifices and progress made by past generations, i intend to keep on trail blazing.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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Here's a hypothetical story involving a Female seal

An elite crack Delta 6 seals squad, sent into the Colombian jungles to assassinate a drug lord. They sneak up to his/her (it could be a femme fa·tale drug lord lol) outpost in the jungle and watch the drug lord including his/her loyal guards for several days. Now when the perfect time comes to strike and breach the compounds door Mr blue stands across from Ms Pink. Ms Pinks jungle fatigues are ripped and her pert breasts are just staring in Mr blue's face the signal is given he trips up from the momentary distraction and the flash-bang hes clutching goes off in his hand the guards hear the commotion and the loud bang and open up with fully automatic precision fire. When the brass at the pentagon goes over the notes of the failed top secret op and realize its all because a nip slip they /facepalm.

Not to mention almost all males from an elite force such as delta 6 wouldn't even consider a female next to them on a serious combat mission. Id suggest sticking to being spy's and let the boy's play in the sand.

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:53 AM
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Most off the people in here have no clue about the navy seals, or what these teams really want from their selection courses.

Rule nr.1.
No matter how strong or macho you think you are, only your personal dedication in wanting to become a seal will get you through selections. You dont have to be the strongest, you just have to be strong enough. If you are strong enough, your dedication will get you through selections if that is what you want. Dedicated people usually make better seal members.

Rule nr. 2
Selections tests are not like most people think or see on Discovery Chanel.
Only the person who does the course will know how hard it will be for them. No one can tell anyone else if they have what it takes. Only the person who tries, will decide for him self if he has what it takes. Because its only up to the individuals own dedication to pass selections.

Rule nr. 3
The instructors dont care that much about how many that actually passes selections, they care more about the quality that each individual display under selections. Performance is not all about being tough, fast and strong. Its about you as a person ability to adapt and solve all the challenges under different types of pressure and stress, and as a member of a team.
They dont look at a recruits team effort under selections, they look at the performance of each individual on the team. Because its not the team that will pass selections in the end, its the effort put into the team by each individual.

Because each individuals great team effort, some weak links are able to pass selections, because they have the personal dedications and endurance needed to pass selections. Instructors know this, but these individuals are not treated as weak links or kicked out. If these individuals who are weak but have the dedication and will to pass selection, they will also get the chance to improve. And usually these are the individuals who become the best seal members, because they are so damned dedicated.

nr.4
No one is a fully educated seal after selections (Bud/s). After selections each one have to go through even more selections. Under these selection (specialisation courses) some of the macho members who are only power and no brains, get kicked out. This is the phase where individual actually get kicked out from the seals.
Under the specialisation phase you can only fail a task or test once. If you fail the second time your out. And it doesn't matter how well you completed the initial selections (Bud training).

If a female is dedicated and strong enough to pass the initial selections, she just might become a very good seal member. Individual who are a bit weaker then the rest, must have more personal dedication to complete seal training, and they usually end up being the best in the end. Because dedication is everything. You will be thought how to be a good operator as the courses progress.








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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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you're getting off on a bad foot here, really a nip slip?!
sir, you are severely underestimating women. we're all entitled to our opinions here but i hope you will reevaluate your position throughout life. *theoretically* i would probably prefer to have a man by my side in combat/mission, as there's simply more qualified male seal candidates per capita than females (maybe 1,000x or 10,000x, but this point is irrelevant). in what i consider the "real world" the most qualified candidate should *theoretically* get the job. life isn't black and white, time to catch up.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by Codered88
Here's a hypothetical story involving a Female seal

An elite crack Delta 6 seals squad, sent into the Colombian jungles to assassinate a drug lord. They sneak up to his/her (it could be a femme fa·tale drug lord lol) outpost in the jungle and watch the drug lord including his/her loyal guards for several days. Now when the perfect time comes to strike and breach the compounds door Mr blue stands across from Ms Pink. Ms Pinks jungle fatigues are ripped and her pert breasts are just staring in Mr blue's face the signal is given he trips up from the momentary distraction and the flash-bang hes clutching goes off in his hand the guards hear the commotion and the loud bang and open up with fully automatic precision fire. When the brass at the pentagon goes over the notes of the failed top secret op and realize its all because a nip slip they /facepalm.

Not to mention almost all males from an elite force such as delta 6 wouldn't even consider a female next to them on a serious combat mission. Id suggest sticking to being spy's and let the boy's play in the sand.

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Sweetheart, I'm not white. I am a black female, no man in his right mind would look at me. Black or white, I'm expected to die alone or get a cat. Biggest joke of the night for me!
As the doctor calls it "A natural perception filter." There will be no looking at me.


I'll be the only thing they consider taking along! Boys play, my god are we stuck in the 1950s ? How about I put on a transatlantic accent and serve you a martini in a pink dress ? I can do anything I put my mind to, so why can't there be female navy seals ?


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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 03:05 AM
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and should ignorant people like you be allowed to vote at the expense of the rest of us?



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