DNA Proof that the Starchild skull is alien

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Yukitup

I wonder how many scientists with truly conclusive proof have committed career suicide by going against the accepted paradigm...


Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
Oh I don't know, Einstein, Copernicus, Galileo. But then their ideas had to be accepted because they had the math/proof to back them up. See how that works, science follows the evidence.

You are ignoring your own argument regarding fear of ridicule and now seem to posit a premise that "science follows the evidence." Ignoring your non sequitur (despite its bold and deep insight which I will meditate upon later....science follows the evidence....science follows the evidence....science follows the evidence....), I will remind you that you wrote:

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
Fear of Ridicule

Nonsense. A scientist with conclusive evidence would fear no such thing, it would make their career to come out with solid evidence of alien life regardless of the scoffers and doubters that might turn up. If the evidence was truly conclusive they'd be able to put the skeptics to bed quickly.

The folks that were burned or hung for being heretics because they had solid evidence that the earth was not the center of the universe seemed to have plenty of reason to fear...

"Solid evidence" is a subjective term whose meaning varies wildly from one discipline to another and from one person to another. You yourself have admitted in this thread that we haven't figured out half of the skull's dna yet (it was on page 2).

I am still undecided, not enough evidence to sway me yet. However, when I feel that the evidence is "solid" enough either way, I will not be insulting other members' views as "naturally absurd" simply because I have come to a different conclusion.

reply to post by KringleFantastico


Thanks for chiming in Kringle your input I'm sure is well received.

Quit lurking...

its probebly gonna get ignored by the media cant let our secrets get out now

The moment you linked that site, this whole thread became null and void.

Duh, I'm not even that stupid. I didn't need DNA to tell me starchild wasn't human, my perfectly human eyes did that. Okay ? Peace

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Pimander

 

Obviously I'm not a DNA specialist, but I do know some basics like it takes some time to get a viable dna sample from material. In the case of an old skull, you might not even be able to get a viable sample.

I have enough experience in molecular genetics to tell you categorically what the score is here.

You should be able to get a viable DNA sample from the skull (although not always possible). The techniques are available to test what species it is. The fact that there is still no clear credible data published after all these years and credible institutions have not been asked to verify the data speaks volumes.

Aside from that - if the sample is from a hybrid then it would be almost identical to human anyway. If its mother is human then its mitochondrial DNA (which is all inherited from the mother) would also be human. In other words, DNA testing may not give you the type of answers you wanted even if the skulls are anomalous.

WOW 100 flags..

i just wanted to share this ground-shattering info!!

thanks for the hat-tipping!!

and Thank you for not getting into name calling,,lol for the most part..

ATS pleases me to no end...

glad to be a part of the discussion....

Darrman

Never believed in this nonsense and never will.

No categorical proof whatsoever.

I saw someone mention this, not sure if any refs were ever given though.

The DNA, according to some people, is very obviously human. I'm more inclined to agree with their results.

www.theness.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by darrman


There already has been a topic on how starchild DNA is alien.

i knew all along this thing wasnt fully human. if you look at its face it closely resembles that of the predator. its face is so smashed in and the eye sockets mouth and nose are so close together that it resembles a chinese pug.

it HAS to be of some kind of extraterrestrial origin, or at least HALF. cmon people wake up and smell the coffee.

reply to post by Taj Mikel

As I say, even a hybrid would probably look human.... Perhaps I'd better explain.

For a species to interbreed or be genetically compatible, it needs to be very similar. It need to have the same genes in the same places in the DNA sequence so would look the same in most tests. In other words a cross breed is by definition only possible with another human. Cross species hybrids almost never survive.

Definition: The term species can be defined as a group of individual organisms that are capable of interbreeding to produce fertile offspring in nature. A species is, according to this definition, the largest gene pool that exists under natural conditions. Thus, if a pair of organisms are capable of producing offspring in nature, they must belong to the same species.
animals.about.com...

The other kink of hybrid would simply have sequences of DNA inserted which contained additional genetic material. However, unless the sample of DNA obtained from the skull was precisely that sequence inserted - which is unlikely as the total length of human DNA is enormous - then again the test would probably show human DNA.

There could be unlikely scenarios where the test might show something. However, the type of hybrid an alien species with a knowledge of molecular genetics would likely create is the second type described above. Earth scientists - such as me - have done and still do this regularly (officially not on humans, of course.)

So even though they state the Starchild is more closely related to us than chimpanzees, Pye concludes it must be extraterrestrial or alien hybrid? That's quite a leap isn't it?

There is a fatal flaw in Pye's assertion:

In mtDNA, the exact opposite applies. The great bulk of its functions are required for survival, so every mutation is a potential death sentence. Very rarely does a mutation occur in harmless areas, and all of those are well documented. In fact, the physical structure of mtDNA is one of the best-understood aspects of human biology

Source: www.starchildproject.com...

There are in fact many diseases caused by mitochondrial mutations in humans. Google MITOCHONDRIAL DNA MUTATIONS IN HUMAN DISEASE and you will see what I mean.

And guess what, one of these mtDNA mutations causes Hydrocephalus (enlargement of the head).

1/250. Congenital hydranencephalic-hydrocephalic syndrome associated with mitochondrial dysfunction. We report the case of a 3-year-old girl, the only child of a nonconsanguineous couple without relevant antecedents, who was born with hydranencephalic-hydrocephalic syndrome diagnosed by ultrasonography at gestation week 28, and who was treated during the neonatal period by implantation of a ventriculoperitoneal shunt. She showed severe mental retardation, and died at age 4 years following an acute respiratory infection. Due to persistently high lactic acid levels in blood, muscle and skin biopsies were taken. Analysis of muscle biopsies revealed microscopic and ultrastructural alterations typical of mitochondrial disorders, and low levels of complexes III and IV of the mitochondrial respiratory chain. The enzymes of the pyruvate dehydrogenase complex showed normal activities in cultured skin fibroblasts. These findings raise the possibility that at least some cases of congenital hydranencephalic-hydrocephalic syndrome may be due to alterations in the mitochondrial respiratory chain. (+info)

Source: www.lookfordiagnosis.com...

reply to post by Pimander


Correct me if I'm wrong, if it has large sums of the same dna, then it's not alien, but rather, either some long forgotten human break off group or something else terrestrial.

From a purely statistical point of view, the probability that all God-knows how many sequences of dna align perfectly on another planet would be so preposterous that it's not even worth thinking about. That would indicate basically a twin copy of Earth. Which is impossible.

Originally posted by jimnuggits
There are more than one type of DNA tests, depending on what it is you are trying to find.

If I remember correctly, Mr. Pye had a cursory DNA test done many years ago, which resulted in establishing that the child's mother was, in fact, human.

There is a much more detailed DNA test, which locates the mitochondria and can show BOTH mom and dad's DNA input.

It is extremely expensive, and I believe that that is why it took him so very long to have it done.

No scientific institution wants to touch that skull, as it is feared that he may actually have a hybrid on his hands, and that may ruin some institute's solid, 'scientific' reputation.

Apparently, that test has now been done and the results are saying that dad was not human.

Way to see it through Mr. Pye.

Let the debunking begin!

DNA testing has undergone a revolution in the last few years.

It is currently quite rapid (results can be fully sequenced in a week or so) and become less and less expensive.

There are outfits that will do it for less than $5,000-00 US.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Pimander

 

From a purely statistical point of view, the probability that all God-knows how many sequences of dna align perfectly on another planet would be so preposterous that it's not even worth thinking about. That would indicate basically a twin copy of Earth. Which is impossible.

Unless the beings from another planet happened to have a common origin or created man, "in our image", which seems incredibly unlikely.

Originally posted by Warpthal
reply to post by darrman

 

There already has been a topic on how starchild DNA is alien.

Even Pye states there is much less than 1% difference between human nuclear DNA and Starchild nuclear DNA, although he is obtuse in stating it, referring to trends and such:

In 2010, dozens of the Starchild’s nuclear DNA fragments were sequenced, adding up to about 30,000 bp. That was enough to be clearly indicative of what the total nuDNA genome will be when it is fully sequenced, but at only .0001% of a 3 billion bp genome, it was well short of the 1% (30 million) needed to establish definitive trends.

source: www.starchildproject.com...

I would love to get my hands on a Grey as much as the next guy, but I don't think this is it. (and I hope the Greys don't get their hands on me first hehe).

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
i knew all along this thing wasnt fully human. if you look at its face it closely resembles that of the predator. its face is so smashed in and the eye sockets mouth and nose are so close together that it resembles a chinese pug.

it HAS to be of some kind of extraterrestrial origin, or at least HALF. cmon people wake up and smell the coffee.

You really think so do you!

runkle-science.wikispaces.com...

Do you think the mother of this unfortunate child feels the same?

reply to post by Pimander


Even if they had a common origin, which isn't all that unlikely, that would only account for Permian-level dna. And they couldn't have created man in their image, because then they would need to have had created everything else that links the dna together. idk, something tells me a space fairing race wouldn't spend all that time on one little planet.

reply to post by Gorman91

Unless they were space faring dinosaurs returning to Earth. Not likely seeming and very off topic. Sorry OP.

Are 'Aliens' Dinosaurs & Survivers of an Earthly Cataclysm Returning Home?