Originally posted by reluctantflux
I really tried reading through all 26 pages, but once I got to Page 9 it seemed the whole topic has kind of derailed and not headed anywhere near what
I'm interested in asking, so I apologize if any of what I'm about to say has already been discussed.
I appreciate the time you put forth in both the original post, and responding to people. I hope that you will continue that effort in trying to help
me understand some inconsistencies and contradictions. I have not read your other threads as you suggested, as it is not my responsibility as a forum
reader to read the back log of posts to understand where you are coming from. If you have answered any of these questions in a previous post or
thread of yours, there's no need to restate your opinion, but if you could just link me in that direction, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please don’t ask yourself how I know all of this unless you will include if there is a chance thought of could he be right. Not why is he
right but is he right? And what makes it right
Everything that follows is me trying to take what you say as truth. These are the concerns I have with being able to accept it.
Im pointing out that it was never his fault because free will wasnt something he wanted to give to you........You asked for it against his
If you have no free will, then you can't ask for it, unless God willed you to ask for it.
Unless free thought exists outside of free will.
If angels have free thought, but still had to do God's will, then they are slaves.
I’m telling you that you are indeed an angel that has been on a journey making up your mind instead of being “a slave to the will of God”
(I believe is how it was put).
So you suggest that the slaves asked for free will and God set them free. One can not just learn how to properly use free will without making
mistakes. Could all the "evil" in the world just be us learning how to properly use our free will?
The warning is that the desaters and all the bad crap that you are seeing in this world is attributed to everyone's use of free will because
it is a result of going against the will of god....We excuse it away as free will being the greatest gift or just one really cool skill that we all
share but in reality it is the reason behind every complaint ever made.
If free will is the reason behind every complaint, then can't I complain about God granting us that gift? I wouldn't open the door to let my child
jump off a tall building thinking he can fly even though I advised him that he would plummet to his death.
Should we love God when he allowed us to suffer; when He knew we'd suffer so much?
If all of our suffering and pain is caused by our choice to not do God's will. Then what you're saying is that all the joy and happiness that we
may experience is due to us following God's will. So since no joy can come from free will, is free will not simply a punishment? How could it be
considered a gift or blessing? Why would I want to follow God when he cursed us with free will?
Truth be told, I think the bible is nothing but a bucnh of horse sh**.
Angels. A loving God. A God that judges us. Threat of punishment in the afterlife. God being some individual entity that we can personify. Free
will granted to us by a God willing to do it.
These all point to orthodox religions. Many of the ideas you speak of are directly taught in the Koran and all the different versions of the Bible.
Listen “God’s honest truth”, I do not support one religion, non religion or spiritual concept
Yet your whole concept is based on a very common belief of a single god that granted us free will and gets to judge us.
You state you don't subscribe to any religion or spiritual concept, yet you expect us to subscribe to yours.
I want nothing from you......Your words mean absolutely nothing to me any more and the same goes for 98% of those who walk this planet.......So
what do you think you can offer me that i dont already have?
How about our love? Isn't "love God and each other" the God's will that you're trying to suggest we all follow?
But how do we know that is, in fact, what God's will is? People have been killing by following God's will for centuries. That certainly doesn't
By not structuring and defining what you believe in any more than some vague beliefs that exist in countless religions you renounce, you force the
reader to apply what you're saying to what they believe in.
What if I believe we're all gods and we choose different lifestyles and times to interject ourselves onto Earth and other planets in order to learn
and experience different things. Then I am my own god. What if in this visit to Earth, I wanted to learn what it was like to be greedy,
materialistic, and to have a lot of power. Should I follow God's will (my spiritual will), which would be to gain worldly possessions and power by
manipulating the stock market, stealing millions from the middle class, and walking through anyone that gets in my way?
What if I believe in one of the Gaia theories where we're all part of one energy, and when we die, we return and are absorbed by Gaia. Wouldn't
God's will then be …uh, well I don't really know. To rejoin Gaia's energy? So to do that, wouldn't I kill myself so I could become one with
I wish you to ask you the question:
If I had the option would I want to give my free will back to God?
And add – Could there be a possible reason that I should?
From everything I've gathered on the belief structure you've vaguely and poorly outlined, were I to follow it, I would answer no.
Your god seems petty, arrogant, and vengeful. I would not follow him.
Your heart is in the right but the second you feel 100% right is the second you dont make the leap in Gods direction....You must leap......It
is the only way…….
This is so mind boggling contradictory to your hubris extruded in every one of your posts.
I know for a 100% fact that every single person on this planet and universe for that matter is a fallen angel and that God never left our side
because we didn’t fall literally. We feel spiritually.
P.S. I know that kind of ended on a negative note, but I am sincerely interested in your opinion on the concerns I have.
Free though exists outside of free will yes but it is never forced as you can see there are many humans on this planet. It is not because the angels
have to listen to god, it is because they rather it that way. If God was nothing more than one of the angels who traveled ahead in the journey (that
everyone now knows includes many struggles, obsticles and pain), then he would be more advanced and able to help all others avoid all the struggles,
obsticles, and pain........Heaven exists because only one goes thru the negatives allowing the rest of the angels to never have to deal with any of
that kind of stuff.......God sacrifices his own self to create heaven. Free will given to god is a choice but no one seems to get the fact that it's
sfaer and just better all around if God can be your guide......When he is addressed as god it is because of the sacrifice and because he was the
That is not the reason, it is the excuse when one believes that they are here to learn how to use their free will. I suggest that the angels (not
slaves) began to ask innocent questions that only lead to more serious questions, and finally lead todoubt in Gods intentions all together. If there
werent many other things that have lead me to believe what i do i may have agreed with this part of learning to use free will so I can see how you
would think that..
Sure you can blame God if you want but think of it like this. If you adore your children but many of your children started to misbehave demanding
things they didnt understand what would you feel? I would feel like my own children didnt love me anymore. I would feel that because i knew who they
truely were that they were safe so the lesson they were learning would be okay to allow. I wouldnt want to force anyone to love me....How about
He is suffering it along with you...He warned you and you didnt listen kind of like you arent listening now...You are acting like youre listening but
you are just looking for thing to contradict. Not the same thing. He has never left you or sent you anywhere that he didnt follow.......You think you
know what God can be or is? you should think again. Its kind of like a 5 year old child after being told to stop, continued to run around a table
with sharp edges. When the child falls and hits his head he can not blame the parent for putting the table there. or would you like it if the parent
put rubber protectors on the tablle because the child was being bad......God will not reward bad behavior......You can believe that....
Again you are assuming that God wanted to give it to you but ill play along here with the good and bad things you experience as a curse.....You are a
creator in the image of God. When you are in control of it look what you do....Its not hard to miss the world in chaos. Free will is your option to
give back to god...You sound ready. If you could take responsibility for what you have felt and found then you wouldnt be so mad with god. That would
open the door for you to want to be safe by god.
I never said they all were completely horse crapola......Only that they believe their religion is absolute. As soon as they did that they made a wrong
turn and it lead them down many incorrect roads..The translation of our history will have many syncs found everywhere in almost every
explanation......You cant write somthing off just becuase its similar because the truth is going tobe similar to the lies...Thats what makes the lies
so easy to believe.
AGAIN I AM NOT PROMOTING A RELIGION. THIS IS A CONCEPT. TAKE IT AS IT IS.
Your love......Sure that would be beyond wonderful but too many want me and everyone else to beg for it so you can take that somewhere else because I
dont do that anymore and it's not fair to the person that has to beg because the other person will never return the favor....Lop sided love is
obviously not going to be balanced..
Very good observation...You are correct........I wish you to place these ideas up against your own current beliefs and replace where needed. What
God's will is can only be found inside your own heart.......I wish you to look there for it instead of in the sky or even in my words.......He lives
in your heart and is waiting to speak to you.
You are a God made in the image of the original......Too many figure out that they are a god and right away their ego allows them to believe that they
are the first and everyone else is beneathe them......That is normal but not perminant.....The humilty test would be in progress until that one is
humbled...Everyone will go through this at some point.....I also agree with the goals that you may be here for but they are not alone and the reason
is not just to experience it but also to learn between the right way and the wrong way to do things.......with humility and wisdom will you rise.
The gaia theory is also close although i will admit that i must do more research on that topic......You can believe anything you want and that is my
point here....What do you think you should want to believe is why i write this thread.......
You know what......That was extremely sneaky how you jumped over to immature and accusatory right at the end and now I regret being as nice to you as
i was, but you're also not important enough to me of a person to change my entire response to you (I wont waste my time with someone who manipulates
words to back their own lies. You started off very very wise and unbias but ended up at a very ugly place....I was impressed reading your starting
words and the body of your message but the end is where you ran away from intelligent conversation......
Please dont waste my time again when everything you write is only to end up like that.......I can't believe you made me go back pages and pages for
this.......Talk aout vanity and ego........Goodness. Mirror