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posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by joechip



ONE: View and present yourself as the authority of something. For true guru status it is best to be the One who hears the voice of Some Big Authority: God, MotherGod, ET's, Angels, whatever will work, but it's best to have The Big Authority be something noncorporeal. The reason for this is that ... they're not here! You can claim The Big Authority said virtually anything to you and she/he/they aren't here to dispute whatever you decide to dish out. As the right hand of The Big Authority, you can then say any opposition to you is opposition to the true divine authority. One good psychological ploy is to feed your message to one or two carefully-chosen potential followers, and appear to be reluctant to share, reluctant to set yourself up above others. The tactic here is to let your followers elevate you, by THEIR belief in your authority. But if your personality doesn't allow this kind of backseat driving, full-on authority claims will work as well.

TWO: Develop your own Words of Wisdom. This is an important factor in your rise to true guru-hood. Your Message is what will let people know that you are really and truly the very best guru and the closest to The Big Authority. Here are some tips: Use some special words or unusual words or phraseology that will set you apart from all the other false gurus out there. Steal judiciously from other sources, including other works of "god" such as the Bible, Koran, Torah, etc. Keep your Message as broad and cryptic as possible. Your followers are then free to interpret your words in any way they like (within your carefully guided limits, of course) and you don't have the bother of having to make sense. The strongest glue that will bind your followers to you is their belief that you can fulfill their needs. Therefore it's important that your message be broad enough for them to interpret as fulfilling their needs, whatever those are. Love, salvation, rescue, ultimate truth, power, relief from pain... whatever it is they most desire, that is what you are promising. Without actually saying it, of course. Tricky? Yes, but nobody said being a Guru was going to be easy.


sound familiar?

more here:
www.cyquest.com...

(bold mine)




Dammn.....I was hoping that no one would find the guru school........Come on guy......Look at what you are focusing on. Ohters instead of yourself....

If you want to discredit someone and make them seem like a fraud you are doing a great job doing that on yourself already so dont waste your time with me.....

I have never claimed to be a guru and I don't know how many times i need to defend myself in a thread that I asked everyone not even to worry about who i was but pay attention to the info only....

Is it that hard of a thing to do? Ohhhhhhhh I wonder why.

Vanity! How can you not see this when i put it right in your face. Wake up.




posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by Fatgoblin

Originally posted by Brianegan

Originally posted by Fatgoblin

Originally posted by laffoe

And to work with all I got to spread the word, that by giving free will back to God we will be able to create something amazing.
Not in some fantasyworld, but right here and right now



The irony is seriously killing me


It aint the irony.


You're right. What's killing me is your never ending verbal diarrhea



Well at least in diarrhea the food isnt all digested so you can still make out some of what went into it. You are wasting your time.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by AntoniusBlock
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It's not about trying to create unity. It's about a built-in unity in Christ's Church still existing. You cannot blame orthodox Christianity for the fact that so many put themselves before the Church's teaching and splinter off.


No but I can blame the church for their lies and arrogance..........Plus the utter promotion of seperation.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by wildoracle13

Originally posted by Brianegan

Originally posted by wildoracle13
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I just don't understand why you love this god guy so much. And why would you want to pull the brain out of your head and plug god's in. Like robots or something? Why would your god give you free will at all if he just wanted to plug into your head? Did your god want to experiment with you? If angels didn't get the free will then what happened to lucifer?


Because we are one and his is more capable and learned. Like angels or something.....It wasnt his idea. He wanted to love you and hoped for the same in return but the return he is still wating for it would seem.

Where's lucifer? Ask him yourself.


I didn't ask where Lucifer is. I asked why you think that angels don't have free will because that is what happened to Lucifer to be turned into your devil. Anyway, you don't have to reply I am pretty sure that I wont learn much. Good day.


No free will does not equal slavery. During the original time of lucifer and the jealousy toward the humans is when lucifer among many others wished to have free will just as the humans.......

Since the agnels were actually humans all that was happening was a time lapse.......Some angels wanted it first and were given it, some wanted it after, and some wanted it after that..........



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by Brianegan
The only reason that the person administering the test could see the choice before was because the two pictures were probably attached parts of the brain that recognized different things. When the images came up on the screen the is when the choice was made. It takes a moment for the brain to tell the rest of the body to react.


You obviously don't understand how an FMRI scanner works. The areas of the brain that were active (the WHOLE brain is visible) were different for each choice. The test admin could see which choice was made over half a second before the subject was aware of making a choice, lag between the decision and button push is factored into this result. Results were consistent over hundreds of subjects. There is no simple way out of these results, and they have disturbed extremely well-educated rationalists. You know better though, do you?



When a person has been conditioned thrtoughout there entire life to believe that they have no control over their subconscience than it is easy to understand why you would feel as if your subconscience is doing the driving but the only time your subconscience will make the choice is when you have already made up your mind in the past on a returning subject that you dont wish to waste your time with...........


You have been conditioned to accept the Christian idea of God. Don't insult every other reader of this by claiming you're that special.



You can disagree with your subconscience. If you can't they call it multiple personality disorder and earing voices.....


This is simply arrant nonsense. Multiple Personality Disorder is nothing like that.


No one is sick but you have just pointed out the proof that you have been subjected to conditioning during your life......Your subconscience makes choices without you even knowing about it.......I think its time to focus on making your own choices and when you are ready giving it back to god.....You can't offer something that you arent in control of at the moment.....


Who mentioned being sick? As I said, all of us are conditioned, all of us are slaves to our subconscious. You're no different.


Free will exists and so does god..........You might have others trying to effect your choices sure but that doesnt give them the final say.......Take control and then offer it to God.


Why can't you address the dichotomy between free will and God's omniscience. If you are offered two choices, but someone KNOWS which option you will choose, you cannot call it free will. Imagine a rat in a maze. It can go one of two ways. One way has a big mean cat sitting in the way. You know the rat willl choose the catlesss option. Ergo, the rat has no free will in making that choice.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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Heres something that may help,think about the words you use and defend in your vocabulary,ask yourself WHO MADE UP THESE WORDS,WHO CREATED THEM??

do these words accurately describe something as you would see and experience it in nature,OR WAS THE WORD DESIGNED AS A WEAPON TO BE PLAYED OFF AGAINST YOUR NATURAL EMOTIONAL REACTIONS.

This is why some of us wonder why free will and god are so different,there is no such thing as god ,thats why.

The word itself is a lie.

So is predjudice.

so is racism.

So is homosexuality.

and so on and so on.

These words were created in an inflamitory manner and designed and implemented in order to cause discourse and conflict amongst humans.

Pick every word that does not subscribe to something in nature and reverse engineer its creation,see what you find.

Do it with your bible and then u2u me when you catch your breath.

Again I ask ,who puts words in the dictionary???????

WHO ACTUALLY CREATES THESE WORDS AND CONNECTS THEM TO SOMETHING IN OUR CUMULATIVE REALITY?????



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by MamaJ
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I agree!! I have never stated that I do not agree with this very real notion that God is Real and His will alone must be done. With that said again.......

What I do not understand though is the following of such a man who is Human and wants to be right in every sense of the word.

Good luck to you and my peace and love resonate within. Your message may reach more people who do not believe and/or may need a warning from someone other than Jesus himself.

Your words are very loving and that is how to reach people in my world. The opposite creates fear and pushes people away.



How can you sit here and say that your way is any better than this way....I cant even say my way because i also do it your way that you claim to use.......If you are going to sit here and say that you have it all figured out because you know how to reach people you need to think again....Just because a lot of people react all lovey and mushy to a thread that is all lovey and mushy does not mean that it worked....It just means that the harder targets didnt even waste their time with the mush love so they moved on and never even let you know that they were there......

Love can reach many this is true but what will you do when you step back and take another look to see that you only reach a portion and now there are soooooo many out there that wont give the love message a chance......Would you let them suffer? I think not..........Ifd you can find another way to reach those people be sure to let me know. For now since you and your friends are preaching love only, keep up the good work but your trying to counter a message that does no harm to you unless you are here and nothing but good to those that wont even give love a chance. The only reason you are here is because of your vanity.....I tried to tell you that you were fine and shouldnt be in here becuase you were going to feel the need to defend love when it doesnt need defending.....

I speak truth and i have the ability to shock those that have numbed their senses to most emotions....If you feel so much love than you would only make those numb people jealous do you understand? They are just as important to me as you are to me so please just lay off of the disagreeing with me because it is accomplishing something that you are not capable of....

Hear this......If the ones who preach love did not come into this thread than the entire thread would have stayed peacful because the shock that the numb ones would have felt I would have countered with another truth that would have calmed them down but the love only people wanted to make me look like a fool so we lost focus right away because of how much vanity came running to this thread.....

You need to work on a few things still and because you will want to attack me for saying that you might never even try. Im telling you its vanity....



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by reluctantflux
Brianegan,

I'd really appreciate you taking some time to read and respond to my reply on page 31.

Perhaps you've over-looked it as the thread was exploding at that time.

Thanks.


Going to page 31 now..



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by Brianegan
I speak truth and i have the ability to shock those that have numbed their senses to most emotions... Im telling you its vanity....


I couldn't agree more. With the vanity part, that is, if you were applying it to yourself. If not, you are such a benighted individual that I can see no point in debating anything with you.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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reply to post by Karilla
 


There is free will. What was being monitored with the technology is the AI body suit, and its programming, both dna and input and association from childhood, though babies also have preferences. That is the true duality, the built opposition in the system, cosmic and our bodies.

Free will is inserting our choice over the body suit, over so called dog eat dog workings of nature, over the comsic disasters and choosing to be Kind, patient, gentle, respectful, forgiving, charitable, generous, peaceful, etc etc. Yes we feel the strong impulses and may even give into, thinking negative thoughts, until we wake up and say, that's my thought, I don't want that thought. Cancel Cancel, any number of things. So we're going against the grain or a fish swimming upstream using, FREE WILL.

Freedom is one thing. FREE WILL is another, and even in a concentration camp, its possible to demonstrate. Free Will is to choose, consciously whether we accept the programs in us, or whether we will be Kindness, and the Spirit of Peace and Love.
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posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by reluctantflux
Disclosure:

I really tried reading through all 26 pages, but once I got to Page 9 it seemed the whole topic has kind of derailed and not headed anywhere near what I'm interested in asking, so I apologize if any of what I'm about to say has already been discussed.

I appreciate the time you put forth in both the original post, and responding to people. I hope that you will continue that effort in trying to help me understand some inconsistencies and contradictions. I have not read your other threads as you suggested, as it is not my responsibility as a forum reader to read the back log of posts to understand where you are coming from. If you have answered any of these questions in a previous post or thread of yours, there's no need to restate your opinion, but if you could just link me in that direction, I would greatly appreciate it.


Please don’t ask yourself how I know all of this unless you will include if there is a chance thought of could he be right. Not why is he right but is he right? And what makes it right


Everything that follows is me trying to take what you say as truth. These are the concerns I have with being able to accept it.

End disclosure.


Im pointing out that it was never his fault because free will wasnt something he wanted to give to you........You asked for it against his advice.


If you have no free will, then you can't ask for it, unless God willed you to ask for it.

Unless free thought exists outside of free will.

If angels have free thought, but still had to do God's will, then they are slaves.


I’m telling you that you are indeed an angel that has been on a journey making up your mind instead of being “a slave to the will of God” (I believe is how it was put).


So you suggest that the slaves asked for free will and God set them free. One can not just learn how to properly use free will without making mistakes. Could all the "evil" in the world just be us learning how to properly use our free will?


The warning is that the desaters and all the bad crap that you are seeing in this world is attributed to everyone's use of free will because it is a result of going against the will of god....We excuse it away as free will being the greatest gift or just one really cool skill that we all share but in reality it is the reason behind every complaint ever made.


If free will is the reason behind every complaint, then can't I complain about God granting us that gift? I wouldn't open the door to let my child jump off a tall building thinking he can fly even though I advised him that he would plummet to his death.

Should we love God when he allowed us to suffer; when He knew we'd suffer so much?

If all of our suffering and pain is caused by our choice to not do God's will. Then what you're saying is that all the joy and happiness that we may experience is due to us following God's will. So since no joy can come from free will, is free will not simply a punishment? How could it be considered a gift or blessing? Why would I want to follow God when he cursed us with free will?


Truth be told, I think the bible is nothing but a bucnh of horse sh**.


Angels. A loving God. A God that judges us. Threat of punishment in the afterlife. God being some individual entity that we can personify. Free will granted to us by a God willing to do it.

These all point to orthodox religions. Many of the ideas you speak of are directly taught in the Koran and all the different versions of the Bible.


Listen “God’s honest truth”, I do not support one religion, non religion or spiritual concept


Yet your whole concept is based on a very common belief of a single god that granted us free will and gets to judge us.

You state you don't subscribe to any religion or spiritual concept, yet you expect us to subscribe to yours.


I want nothing from you......Your words mean absolutely nothing to me any more and the same goes for 98% of those who walk this planet.......So what do you think you can offer me that i dont already have?


How about our love? Isn't "love God and each other" the God's will that you're trying to suggest we all follow?

But how do we know that is, in fact, what God's will is? People have been killing by following God's will for centuries. That certainly doesn't help humanity.

By not structuring and defining what you believe in any more than some vague beliefs that exist in countless religions you renounce, you force the reader to apply what you're saying to what they believe in.

What if I believe we're all gods and we choose different lifestyles and times to interject ourselves onto Earth and other planets in order to learn and experience different things. Then I am my own god. What if in this visit to Earth, I wanted to learn what it was like to be greedy, materialistic, and to have a lot of power. Should I follow God's will (my spiritual will), which would be to gain worldly possessions and power by manipulating the stock market, stealing millions from the middle class, and walking through anyone that gets in my way?

What if I believe in one of the Gaia theories where we're all part of one energy, and when we die, we return and are absorbed by Gaia. Wouldn't God's will then be …uh, well I don't really know. To rejoin Gaia's energy? So to do that, wouldn't I kill myself so I could become one with God again?


I wish you to ask you the question:
If I had the option would I want to give my free will back to God?
And add – Could there be a possible reason that I should?


From everything I've gathered on the belief structure you've vaguely and poorly outlined, were I to follow it, I would answer no.

Your god seems petty, arrogant, and vengeful. I would not follow him.


Your heart is in the right but the second you feel 100% right is the second you dont make the leap in Gods direction....You must leap......It is the only way…….


This is so mind boggling contradictory to your hubris extruded in every one of your posts.

Also:


I know for a 100% fact that every single person on this planet and universe for that matter is a fallen angel and that God never left our side because we didn’t fall literally. We feel spiritually.


/facepalm


P.S. I know that kind of ended on a negative note, but I am sincerely interested in your opinion on the concerns I have.



Free though exists outside of free will yes but it is never forced as you can see there are many humans on this planet. It is not because the angels have to listen to god, it is because they rather it that way. If God was nothing more than one of the angels who traveled ahead in the journey (that everyone now knows includes many struggles, obsticles and pain), then he would be more advanced and able to help all others avoid all the struggles, obsticles, and pain........Heaven exists because only one goes thru the negatives allowing the rest of the angels to never have to deal with any of that kind of stuff.......God sacrifices his own self to create heaven. Free will given to god is a choice but no one seems to get the fact that it's sfaer and just better all around if God can be your guide......When he is addressed as god it is because of the sacrifice and because he was the first.

That is not the reason, it is the excuse when one believes that they are here to learn how to use their free will. I suggest that the angels (not slaves) began to ask innocent questions that only lead to more serious questions, and finally lead todoubt in Gods intentions all together. If there werent many other things that have lead me to believe what i do i may have agreed with this part of learning to use free will so I can see how you would think that..

Sure you can blame God if you want but think of it like this. If you adore your children but many of your children started to misbehave demanding things they didnt understand what would you feel? I would feel like my own children didnt love me anymore. I would feel that because i knew who they truely were that they were safe so the lesson they were learning would be okay to allow. I wouldnt want to force anyone to love me....How about you?

He is suffering it along with you...He warned you and you didnt listen kind of like you arent listening now...You are acting like youre listening but you are just looking for thing to contradict. Not the same thing. He has never left you or sent you anywhere that he didnt follow.......You think you know what God can be or is? you should think again. Its kind of like a 5 year old child after being told to stop, continued to run around a table with sharp edges. When the child falls and hits his head he can not blame the parent for putting the table there. or would you like it if the parent put rubber protectors on the tablle because the child was being bad......God will not reward bad behavior......You can believe that....



Again you are assuming that God wanted to give it to you but ill play along here with the good and bad things you experience as a curse.....You are a creator in the image of God. When you are in control of it look what you do....Its not hard to miss the world in chaos. Free will is your option to give back to god...You sound ready. If you could take responsibility for what you have felt and found then you wouldnt be so mad with god. That would open the door for you to want to be safe by god.

I never said they all were completely horse crapola......Only that they believe their religion is absolute. As soon as they did that they made a wrong turn and it lead them down many incorrect roads..The translation of our history will have many syncs found everywhere in almost every explanation......You cant write somthing off just becuase its similar because the truth is going tobe similar to the lies...Thats what makes the lies so easy to believe.


AGAIN I AM NOT PROMOTING A RELIGION. THIS IS A CONCEPT. TAKE IT AS IT IS.


Your love......Sure that would be beyond wonderful but too many want me and everyone else to beg for it so you can take that somewhere else because I dont do that anymore and it's not fair to the person that has to beg because the other person will never return the favor....Lop sided love is obviously not going to be balanced..


Very good observation...You are correct........I wish you to place these ideas up against your own current beliefs and replace where needed. What God's will is can only be found inside your own heart.......I wish you to look there for it instead of in the sky or even in my words.......He lives in your heart and is waiting to speak to you.


You are a God made in the image of the original......Too many figure out that they are a god and right away their ego allows them to believe that they are the first and everyone else is beneathe them......That is normal but not perminant.....The humilty test would be in progress until that one is humbled...Everyone will go through this at some point.....I also agree with the goals that you may be here for but they are not alone and the reason is not just to experience it but also to learn between the right way and the wrong way to do things.......with humility and wisdom will you rise.

The gaia theory is also close although i will admit that i must do more research on that topic......You can believe anything you want and that is my point here....What do you think you should want to believe is why i write this thread.......


You know what......That was extremely sneaky how you jumped over to immature and accusatory right at the end and now I regret being as nice to you as i was, but you're also not important enough to me of a person to change my entire response to you (I wont waste my time with someone who manipulates words to back their own lies. You started off very very wise and unbias but ended up at a very ugly place....I was impressed reading your starting words and the body of your message but the end is where you ran away from intelligent conversation......

Please dont waste my time again when everything you write is only to end up like that.......I can't believe you made me go back pages and pages for this.......Talk aout vanity and ego........Goodness. Mirror



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Karilla
 


There is free will. What was being monitored with the technology is the AI body suit, and its programming, both dna and input and association from childhood, though babies also have preferences. That is the true duality, the built opposition in the system, cosmic and our bodies.

Free will is inserting our choice over the body suit, over so called dog eat dog workings of nature, over the comsic disasters and choosing to be Kind, patient, gentle, respectful, forgiving, charitable, generous, peaceful, etc etc. Yes we feel the strong impulses and may even give into, thinking negative thoughts, until we wake up and say, that's my thought, I don't want that thought. Cancel Cancel, any number of things. So we're going against the grain or a fish swimming upstream using, FREE WILL.

Freedom is one thing. FREE WILL is another, and even in a concentration camp, its possible to demonstrate. Free Will is to choose, consciously whether we accept the programs in us, or whether we will be Kindness, and the Spirit of Peace and Love.
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Wow...Unity....That was extremely well said.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Karilla

Originally posted by Brianegan
I speak truth and i have the ability to shock those that have numbed their senses to most emotions... Im telling you its vanity....


I couldn't agree more. With the vanity part, that is, if you were applying it to yourself. If not, you are such a benighted individual that I can see no point in debating anything with you.



That usually happens when someone figures out that they are wrong.....Its okay...I never fail so you are not alone.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by MamaJ

Originally posted by laffoe

Originally posted by MamaJ

Originally posted by Brianegan

Lucifer has been trying to show you how bad you are at using free will when facing a being of his calbur...He is not the only one and has spent his existance helping humanity get ready for it.......He works for God and bows to him without hesitancy.........It is not Lucifers fault that humans are so arrogant that they pucnh a gift giver in the mouth.....Just because God and jesus said lucifers doings were wrong doesnt mean that lucifer didnt know that as well....

He is playing his part in this flushing out of the lost causes.



And you know this to be a fact? How? I will be awaiting your answer.


You will know the answer of that when you are ready
Last time I checked Lucifer were indeed (like always) bowing for God´s Will
All that was a attempt of teaching with reverse psychology
Reached some, but you know there are some who are really hard to reach
They have this inner megaphone going LALALALALA BLAH BLAH
They try real hard not to hear the truth from within
Quite an effort, because you cant really keep the truth hidden
It wants out

Love and respect


Still......didn't answer my question.

So....this type of thinking is the only way? You and the like have now discovered what no one else could? You and your followers have decided this thinking (yours) is the only way and we should heed the warning and only listen to you.

The Bible is just ancient jibberish is what I hear you and "the followers" say?

I am having trouble keeping my mind on the topic of "free will" as I am trying to figure out an egotistic mindset.

MANY people can quiet their mind and have visions. Many people before you have done the same thing, wrote down their findings or their "conversations with God" and have gotten another mindset, if you will. So.....again trying to figure out why yours is the only way now.

Curiosity of the unknown has always lead me on adventures and this thread is definitely an adventure in so many ways.



No matter how many roads one thinks there are to choose from they would be mistaken already.....There is only one road....The differential comes from different lengths traveled in such a joureny (it does not resemble a street in the sense that you can walk on it straight forward and just keep going if you wish........What is really happening is sure there is street or path that everyone is moving along but everyone will come not to one but many steps and cliffs to climb so that they may proceed....Some freeze at those points because they can't figure out how to get up that high and some turn back around thinking they might be able to find a different road....

when one turns around they never find a different road. They only find a good enough reason to turn around again to try one more time......The issue is this....Some of those cliffs and steps that you climb come with knowledge or altering perspectives with reason....Some of these perspectives have the ability to alter every prior idea you have ever had.

What im saying is i know the platform that everyone finds and thinks must be the highest but it doesnt stop climbing so if you stop climbing you only freeze yourself........I say what i do because I have been able to leap instead of climb out of sheer practice and obsession......I can teach how but im affraid i may have a difficult time teaching those who hold on to control like its their life line.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by reluctantflux
Brianegan,

I'd really appreciate you taking some time to read and respond to my reply on page 31.

Perhaps you've over-looked it as the thread was exploding at that time.

Thanks.


You know i just dont get why you would think that i would be interested in reading a post and making it seem like it was going to be civil.....The intention you had for making me go back only to find that was ugly and i will request you focus on not doing things like that again........



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Light Heart
Am I correct in thinking that free will won't give-up without a fight? I ask because i've spent the best part of the weekend coming to terms with what's been said & through monitoring my own choices & actions it's almost like i'm two people in one. What I find scary is that these choices up until now have created this identity or what I perceive to be my identity. I think maybe that free will is telling me that if I follow Gods Will instead, i'll lose this identity but my soul is saying no, that's not how it works, even though it can't explain how it does work right now. Sorry if i'm babbling, it's strange having such a mental battle with yourself.

Love & Light to All


YES.....you are correct! You are obviously taking this seriously! Thank you so much because there seems to be a lacking in that area at the moment...lol

Remember that saying you cant teach an old dog new tricks? Well we all know that we can teach the old dog some tricks but it will be harder because they have grown accustomed to certain subconscience behavior..

Natural reactions if you will increase as one grows older.....We know green is go and red is stop but a 3 year old just sees a big light pole over the cars. Being conditioned is sadly working on many screwed up levels now and many have been forced to feel certain ways without even noticing it.........

Some beliefs that we have as humans are strictly because of the wis[er down the lane effects........Free will has been defined throughout the ages and has changed more and more in definition over time.......

Think of it like this:

For something to be given a name it must be in existance first.......So free will was displayed and evaluated before someone said oh hey look that right there is called free will........If over the years much debating has surrounded the topic it would only be fair to say that it may have been mis judged many times but someone may have simply been better at debating than the previous definer of free will....

Here is my definition of free will.....

A human does something that makes them feel good so they get addicted to that action.....They do enough times and it may get offensive to god...If they dont think about that possibility in time they have a choice...."Break the addiction" or "continue on as you were"

Fre will will put up a fight with being restructured just like a major drug that has brought someone a lot of hapiness and pain even. That drug will be such a little bitc*** to kick of a habbit but when its gone and out of the system that person will wake up to who they used to be because they would have forgotten who they really were.......Once the drug is beaten the person finds their true hapiness again.......

I hope this was informative....because honestly you are the reason i keep returning to this thread......If one person understands what im saying and is finding aid within it than i will do all i can.......The others are just proving me right but the reason that is true is the same reason I worry for them........

P.S. when i say i worry for them the difference between you and them would be this.....

Them: You don't have to worry for me and the last person i want to worry about me is you plus you need to worry about yo0urself becuase youre wrong here, and there and here and there oh and also here...so hahahaha dummy... (Maybe its not exactly what anyone is saying but its damn close.)

You: That is so nice of you and I feel lucky tobe able to talk with loving people like myself that are willing to stand in fire while we speak if it means that i can be a little safer.......I don't know if I completely understand but I can feel your concern and youre words are perfectly clear to me.....(obviously not perfectly on with what you would say but its in the ball park in refference to how your responses differ from the demons....lol)


I just want to add that you are not alone and honestly far from it. People may scream and yell curses until they loose their voice but I will remain standing and take everything they throw at me if it means that one person gets a little bit closer to god.........Im am available to you at any time you need and if im not mistaken i can feel a great wisdom inside of you that i would be a kid in a candy store to listen to as well.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Light Heart
Am I correct in thinking that free will won't give-up without a fight? I ask because i've spent the best part of the weekend coming to terms with what's been said & through monitoring my own choices & actions it's almost like i'm two people in one. What I find scary is that these choices up until now have created this identity or what I perceive to be my identity. I think maybe that free will is telling me that if I follow Gods Will instead, i'll lose this identity but my soul is saying no, that's not how it works, even though it can't explain how it does work right now. Sorry if i'm babbling, it's strange having such a mental battle with yourself.

Love & Light to All
exactly ... no you are completly on track , it is elevating your consideration into situations and all to do with your innervoice, really alot are returning a few steps because there minds start to wonder when they consider to become robots or zombies , it is not like that when u channel anything, u still have control , it speaks through YOUR voice , and u still have complete control , u interact with someone untill u decide to say goodbye , but u never really leave them completly
because you know you are connected by truth and the energy.
and sometime u do not have or want to part it either because it feels so good , if u open yourself and leave all fears and doubts behind, u are liberated and have such a good energy flowing through you , that u can only yurn to fully connect to something like that forever , all the fear is quite useless tbh,
because once u have witnissed it , u will only desire it's assistance in everything u do and it will be provided,



I can see how some may feel us the same person sometimes because our words never are exactly the same but they always say the same thing...lol.......
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posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by stevooo
TL;DR


A.D.D. is treatable. Honesty is comendable.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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I agree as far as religion's concerned, nothing but labels and segregation even though the general message is the same for all religions. That's why I hated organised religion my entire life.

Would I be right in saying that you're telling us that what we think is free will is actually the law of the universe, that the choices we make are pre-determined and that you use the terms from the Christian religion due to the large amount of followers of that organisation so that they can somewhat understand in terms they know and can accept the message more easily?

Like for example, if this forum was mostly a place where the majority were Muslim and you said "Allah's will" rather than "God's will" to aid their understanding of our pre-determined choices.

It's like you purposely post the kind of Christian allegories to a mostly Christian set of people and purposely use lengthy and sometimes confusing posts, threads and replies in order to not only get through to people in a way they could understand but also to make them think and to weed out those who are amongst the "too long, didn't read" crowd we get more of in society.

The message is also something like although we don't have free will, if we stay positive and put out nothing but love and benevolence, that will aid whatever it is in helping us all change into what, fourth dimension entities perhaps? Sort of like if you think about or want something badly enough, eventually you'll get it.

Would any of this seem relevant to what you're trying to put across or correct in any way?



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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Brian, good morning, dear one.

Free Will? Everything is what it is. In-tune with the universe is to sing the same key and not play your "own tune" but getting here requires one to "practice" tuning your own instrument to be able to "play" the same key as the Universe. Actually, putting one's own desires and wants down, for the sake of a better condition for all takes-up a "higher" will. So actually, having or not having "Free Will" is much dependent upon perspective, right?

Depending upon what level a person is at, at the time being, can depend upon their "toggle" of free will being off or on. We have to practice both to discern both and when it is necessary to use either, or neither.

Nor or Or, Neither or either, when can or can't we do or don't is much like using double negatives in a sentence; and that depends upon the message contained within and without.

You all are so beautiful when you look upwards from yourselves. When this happens, you delight the Universe!

Keep your chin up! Keep on Trekkin'!






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