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The quiet before the storm. Just so you can't say that you werent warned.

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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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If the tread is about God the thread title should mention God.

Atheists and agnostics, as well as all the other nonxian theists
are forever warned. We all know God's wrath because Christians
are duty-bound to tell us.

I wish more Christians tried to act like Jesus...




posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by TheInterceptor
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I stopped reading when you said you "literally fell off your high horse". I'v get 10 bucks that says you don't even have a horse.

It reminded me of a David Cross bit when he rags on a guy that says "Dude that was so funny, i literally just #@!% my pants!"

I literally lost interest.

Interceptor


I still haven't lost interest in this avatar at all. The noses look really realistic. There is one thing that is going on in a large way, that hasn't been blown out of the water, there are going to be alot of people going down on every level, to the very top, when it is. And its going to be blown wide open. That is a given.

God is a great conversation, to me it means the Highest Love and Goodness and our Family. But one thing is, doing the work we came to do, passing the tests, growing Love and Service To Others, that is serving God/Goodness, with our free will in tact, choosing right with it. There are no pyramids, you have to turn them around.

And we're going to protect the children. What is hidden is going to be exposed and there will be justice. Every single child is going to be safe.
edit on 1-6-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by nightbringr
This sounds like a rationalization of the old question of why an all-loving god would allow such evil and cruelty as we have here on earth.

I myself have found that question to be a major stumbling block in my belief of a benevolent god. This theory sounds hopeful to me, but theories are a dime a dozen and I have no reason to believe this over anything else, aside from the moral dilemma solved.


Maybe this will help. You must have missed it. Clicky deh linkey

Cheers



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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what i dont understand is why every one chalks all this up to a god.
i could be wrong, but i thought that catholoscism was lik a mash up of a bunch of different ancient religions and zodiac stuff.
im not sure. but i think its all just stories with underlying messages.
free wills a funny thing, because most people react to things so i am not sure if thats a free will, thats just a learned response? but if you observe whats happening and then react thats free will?
i think im just confusing myself



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 11:54 PM
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This is about CHOICES. So, if you believe in what you wrote, then do not get mad at or bash peoples with other oppinions, because that is a CHOICE. Respect the choice or not, still a choice. We all have different paths that lead us in different directions. Whether they are physical, mental, or other i do not see or know about. Still, people and all walks of life take these paths. My thought process. I think, therefore i am comes to mind. Oh, and by the way. If you are not in a state of mind/conscious, thus you do not think and therefore have no thought to make any choices. The only choice you get is one that fate put on you. roll the dice, so to speak. Yes, that is a choice, but was not a conscious one, tho a conscious person can make that choice also. You think that all humans have a choice? Not true. Sometimes you have no choice. Example: Do you think you had the choice to be here on earth? To live in this galaxy or this bubble we call space. Sure, once you were born you began to learn. You learned everything in your little environment. The environment of physical, mental, or what i do not see or know about. You learned because you were conscious. Whether that being an energy wave of conscious, a physical human conscious, or anything that is conscious. This is what i believe, this is my choice, my choice. You can do whatever you want, but just remember that you live in this bubble called space along with other consciousness around you. So, with that said. PEACE BE WITH YOU BROTHER.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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The weatherman said there was a storm coming today too, but he was wrong as well. It was beautiful all day.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by nightbringr
This sounds like a rationalization of the old question of why an all-loving god would allow such evil and cruelty as we have here on earth.

I myself have found that question to be a major stumbling block in my belief of a benevolent god. This theory sounds hopeful to me, but theories are a dime a dozen and I have no reason to believe this over anything else, aside from the moral dilemma solved.


Maybe this will help. You must have missed it. Clicky deh linkey

Cheers


Thanks! I looked at your post and found it very interesting.

I tend to agree with a lot of points you as well as the OP made. I don't tend to think of myself as a very spiritual person, but ideas like these solve a lot of my reservations. Maybe there is hope for me yet!



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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If you cannot live in peace with other consciousnesses, then you are doommed to never achieve that is what is great. In other words. If you cannot live in peace with thy brother, you are doommed to live a life in pain and suffer. Your choice. I know how hard it is to love thy neighbor sometimes. Seems impossible, but they are learning too. No matter how good or bad they are. We are stuck in this bubble together, so. We all do not have the same paths, but just try to remember that and in the long run our consciousnesses will be as one working. Sort of like ants. All working, all doing different things, but have one goal. So to speak.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:21 AM
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I would prefer to live in peace with everyone, as long as that does not mean being forced to submit to another person's belief structure. I would have you expect the same of me.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:22 AM
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I also feel the calm before the storm, knowing something is coming up, but alas, I have shaken my christian upbringing and labeled myself as a pagan, (pagan means "heathen", so it fits) and have advanced my level of knowledge over my lifetime to that of the druid. You'll find that druids are the keepers of knowledge, the bards, of music, and the ovates, the rules. We also have the philosophy of following our own path. Throughout life paths intertwine, and knowing the right melody gives us the answers to our life questions. We can feel love, embrace life, teach others our ways, and read an insanely long and grammatically butchered post through to the end, easily sliding by words like "god", "fallen angels", and other "unmentionable" words that cause the mere human to scroll frantically for the last page button. But yanno what? We wipe our butts just like everyone else, and eat humble pie even more than most, so we speak little and watch closely. We are versed pretty much in every world religion, crave new knowledge, and are constantly asked questions about things. We nudge in certain areas, guiding.

DO we know something is coming up? Nope, can't give ya a date. It feels, well, like something is coming up. A tragedy for Mother Earth, for sure, and humans evolving. Not physically so, like mutant genes and three legs, but spiritually. MamaJ gave her story tonight, several of them, and I was touched. But, through tragedy came enlightenment, and I'm thinking it's more along those lines. Yanno, like when the 9/11 tragedy happened and we all felt American again, but not like that because the new unity we feel won't limited. Once you evolve/rapture/transform/die/etc., whatever you'd like to call it, there's no turning back. Brianegan is doing what he is supposed to be doing, and he alone knows what it is. I'll say he's doing the right thing. I'm noone to judge him, but he obviously has something to say, and just because he is not grammatically correct doesn't mean I won't listen to him. He has a Passion. He's living it, and he's real. He's real enough to stick his neck out, and he darn near responds to every post. Just because he doesn't conform to your level of expectation from an interaction does not justify you reacting adversely towards it. Woody and MamaJ both reared heads when interacting. He's like a christian version of Howard Stern. (Sorry Brianegan.) Sure some sparks flew, but most importantly he got you all to voice your opinions, how things should be, and how evidently his brash manner inflamed your skin. I think that is his point, if I have his psyche profile figured out by now. He wants to see us think. That is a good thing. Thinking people (not zombies) show signs of thinking, signs of potential. They try to improve. What's that saying? "Don't shoot the messenger?"

Freewill. That's where this started.

The OP states we should give it back. Why? And how? And, how is this tied into the whole theme of christianity?

Utoh. As a christian, you have to GIVE your heart to Jesus. Emphasis on give. Hmm, I'm building a correlation between heart and free-will, so follow with me, if your heart and free-will are the same then giving your free-will would mean salvation.

Yeah, I muddied the waters. Oops. It does suggest a correlation.

My free will is no longer mine, and hasn't been for years. I've been here awhile. Becoming a druid really helped for me, because I found myself walking in the woods, listening to nature, the wind, and everything that's beautiful around us. It may not be here for much longer, so everyday I appreciate the wonders of the wonder around me. I gave up my free-will to become a druid, to be tied to the earth around me, to do nothing that hurts Mother Earth, and to remind myself of how small I really am. I picked up Astronomy on the side, and to me, there is nothing more relaxing than to set up equipment on a calm summer night, listening to the sounds of nature around me, and sighting on the stars. When you look at the heavens, and know how to find Orion's belt as a frame of reference, and sight Sirius and Betelgeuse, then think about how many light years they are away, and where you are at, looking at them, you have to sigh and appreciate this life. It's almost magical. I am only a wee drop of water in an ocean of a multi-verse.

Again, another correlation can be formed. I GAVE myself to a questionable world view, but I gave. There is some sort of weird mechanism that is enacted when you mentally "give" something. I can relate to giving up free-will, however, I didn't give it to god, I gave it to mother earth. It fits my world view. I ponder if it is a branch of the OPs?

Free-will started in the Garden of Eden. We were given the choice. It's my belief that we were spiritual beings in the garden, without bodies, and innocent. And, wait for it....also a story. It could be that humans existed for thousands of years in a "contained" environment on this planet, having god visiting us everyday, shoot, perhaps millions of years. We didn't care, we had the world at our fingertips. We didn't know. We didn't know any better.

Well, according to my story, god put a computer terminal in the Garden of Eden, and said, don't touch it. Okay, then millions of years go by, and the resident energy creatures got curious, and started using the internet. They started watching porn. One day, god happened by, and caught the kids watching porn. He was very mad that they hacked his personal account, had access to all his passwords, and had even changed a few of them. Well, as any good parent would do, god consulted the mother. Mother Earth, in fact. Yep, he did. They came up with a good punishment for us. Then they enacted it.

We got physical bodies, free-will, but got banished from that mythological place called "heaven/eden", someday we will get to shuck our physical bodies once again, once the "big event" occurs. See, it's all been a test. How well you do verses whatever test parameters they have in place. Love ranks high in the skills, happiness is up there, but negative emotions are kinda rare for needed skills.

To give up your free-will means to embrace your own mortality.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by djzombie
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I would prefer to live in peace with everyone, as long as that does not mean being forced to submit to another person's belief structure. I would have you expect the same of me.


You are absolutely right.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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I really hope someone finds evidence to support the theory of human's being created by aliens the look on the faces of those preaching about God would be priceless



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:36 AM
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I'm stunned because this is the exact thing I've been struggling with. It seems to me that my will is the only thing that make me, me. I used to be under the standpoint that I am my thoughts. But investigation quickly dispelled that belief, because I can change my thoughts at will, so that's definitely not me. As far as I can tell what I define is me is the choice maker. If I don't make the choices, then I'm not really a thing a self, a person you know... I'm more like an eyeball.

Which is funny because when you look at the visions in the bible, you know the visions of heaven. They're in there if you look. They constantly talk about eyeballs, eyes. The highest angels, those that lie just before god, are just wheels covered in eyeballs... makes me think.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by john124
As soon as you mentioned god I stopped reading, and I'm guessing most other readers will as well.


Count me in . I also stopped reading when I saw the word god.
I should have stopped reading after the title



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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It's the "pearl of great price" that jesus talked about. The thing that's so great, you even give up your self, and by dying... you never die.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by roswell5151
I really hope someone finds evidence to support the theory of human's being created by aliens the look on the faces of those preaching about God would be priceless


I believe that aliens are humans and humans are aliens. That is, All walks of life/consciousness started in this thing called space and space is but a bubble. We all stuck here together, so just remember that. Any walk of life is alien, meanning new. One either known about or not known about. We the conscious learn to achieve great.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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So whats preventing you from 'never dieing' right now, as we speak?



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by john124
As soon as you mentioned god I stopped reading, and I'm guessing most other readers will as well.


+1



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by OldCorp
On the contrary, I speak to God every single day; and through His word (and that tiny little voice inside of me,) He speaks to me.


Of course. He would rather speak to you instead of thousands of dying, starving children all around the world who cry out to him every single minute and get no response.

Makes perfect sense



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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i got about to the 15th paragraph, then i scrolled down and NOTICED 30+ MORE PARAGRAPHS! =/

it started out good but the wall of text was what turned me off

maybe you can cut it back some for the people who dont read so well and dont want to be here all day =/




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