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Originally posted by Brianegan
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13
So well put sire i must start this response with an applause for your approach.......You should be comended for a so well respected point of view and mentality for those around you.
First I agree with your questions in the fact of manner that it needs to be asked......
Free will always had great potential but if one desired it over the love of God than one would end up commiting perjury evenatually and forcing themselves to jump out of the saftey net so to speak....
The plan you spoke of has been kept secret well, and for good reason. There was never anything bad involved fromt aht side of things....Plus those names you speak of are just merely various representations of the same being working together for a better day.
Since adam and eve landed here the snake has laways been their curiosity and I appreciate sooooo much your concern for my emotions and I will do my best to offer the same for you.....Please undersatnd that I can not alter the truth for there is only one.........It will end up with the choice i spoke of........Trying to get a bearings on it is the reason all need to learn it soon because getting the understanding first was always the problem
There is no faith or trust in that...........Trust and faith are not supposed to be earn they are supposed to be deserved or betrayed........
Free will has been the addiction of all.....It would have been fine if none challenged the word of god but it wasnt the challenge that mattered. It was the continuation of its use.
Sadly the time has passed for a subtle detox method and so most will need a cold trukey method to get home.....
Only those that give theri free will tog od can know why it never meant slavery and was only meant to be a gesture of faith and trust in Gods sight and advice.........
All who have done this at that very moment know the difference between right and wrong so 98% of the time its perfectly aligned with what good would have already wanted you to be doing.......It is the issue of getting somone to quit the habbit of choosing their own will over Gods and thinking they know better......
Come ye unclothed lest I cloth you........
Originally posted by imawlinn
reply to post by TheReturnisNear
Boy who crapped in your corn flakes? There is no God so he's not coming back. And I won't be held accountable for anything. The bible is a book of fiction. Now drink your kool aid and lie down and wait!
Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by gabby2011
There is always free will...only consequences
Originally posted by john124
As soon as you mentioned god I stopped reading, and I'm guessing most other readers will as well.
Originally posted by TheReturnisNear
Actually, what you say is illogical. Statistically it is illogical.
You don't want to admit that it is a thread that captures your attention.
So instead of admitting this obvious fact, you make illogical statements about other threads being more cool and then ending and being more simple.
It is because you are part of a generation of souls that have been dumbed down by the media.
You can't handle the truth so you prefer to make up a non truth (that something else is more cool because it is of less word count and easier to process).
But deep down you want to break out of your programming by the media conglomerates but you can't.
People in your condition also like to say that political polls (as an example) don't mean anything when, if taken under scientific methods they are quite accurate. You are a candidate for the Rush Limbaugh show where things can be broken down for you with little thought process of your own.
Originally posted by OldCorp
OK, I'm gonna take a swipe at this.
I see two questions raised by the OP:
1. Why does God allow suffering.
2. Why is free will so important.
If I'm missing something, please let me know.
There is a lot of suffering in the world. Why would a supposedly loving God allow this to happen?
I believe God is the creator of the human race (and possibly other races as well,) making Him for all intents and purposes our Father, just as I am the father of my children. What does any parent want for their child? To grow. To grow intellectually, to grow emotionally, and eventually to grow a family of their own. In order to grow, we must experience; love, loss, joy, pain... all of these things teach us something.
God is not as concerned as some people would like to think with our day to day lives. I mean let's face it, what are 60-70 years spent as a mortal being here on Earth when you compare it to an afterlife that will last for eternity? Nothing, nada, zip, and zilch. He's concerned with our immortal souls.
So what does God want? I believe He, like any father, wants his children to be happy, to be successful, and to expand His family by having children of their own; children who will pass on His ideals to the next generation. God wants to be a grampa. He wants to look into the faces of His offspring and see Himself reflected in them. This is where free will comes in.
Think for a second about love. Would you be satisfied with the most beautiful woman, or most handsome man, in the world if you had to force that person to be with you? Which would be preferable when it comes to love, someone who wants to be with you or someone you have chained up in the basement? I think for most normal people the answer is obvious.
God doesn't want a bunch of mindless automatons bowing down to worship Him all of the time. Where is the satisfaction in that? You can train monkeys, or dogs, to do that. God wants us to WANT to be with Him. He wants us to WANT to do what is right. He wants us to WANT to be part of His eternal family. That my friends is where free will comes in.
So yeah, in my opinion God has emotions just like any other intelligent being. Actually, it's not just my opinion as you can find examples of God's emotions throughout the Bible. He gets angry, He feels remorse, He is compassionate, He feels love, and like everyone else He wants to be loved for who He is, and not what He can do for us. By allowing our temporary bodies to endure suffering, God is allowing us to grow. Think about how often you tell your own children things like, "Don't touch the stove, it's hot and you'll get burned," or "That kid is no good, if you hang out with him you're just going to get into trouble."
Now think about how often they listen to you.
The only way people learn anything is through first hand experience. You can warn your children about possible dangers until you're blue in the face, but until they experience the consequences of their actions themselves they will never understand what it has taken you a lifetime to learn. God knows this. He has given us plenty of warnings. He even gave us 10 rules to live by, forming a basis for the way he wants His children to grow. God wants the members of His eternal family to reflect His values, just like any other parent.
And then He wants us to pass these values down to the next generation; but that's a whole other discussion for a whole other thread.
I hope that made sense.
edit on 6/1/2011 by OldCorp because: (no reason given)