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The quiet before the storm. Just so you can't say that you werent warned.

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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by john124
As soon as you mentioned god I stopped reading, and I'm guessing most other readers will as well.



I was honestly going to say the EXACT same thing!




posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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I guess that depends on how you go about it.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Brianegan
My prediction is everything will come down to wether or not you trust your decision over Gods decision. In other words do you still believe that your free will is a gift from god. (Or a test to see if we would believe that we could do his job better out of vanity.)


Your whole post falls flat on its face when you mention free will. Man possesses no such thing. God had given us no such thing. In fact, the two words shouldn't even together in the same breath. The ONLY entity to have FREE will is God as HE CAUSES all things.

Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, man does is based on choices; endless amounts of choices. And these choices are not FREE or INDEPENDENT of CAUSES. You can't make one choice, not one, that hasn't been influenced or caused by something else. And, if we are to believe that only God can CAUSE and only HE can do so FREELY, then we must admit that it is God who CAUSES everything that happens in our life.

Is it predestination, you might ask? It may very well seem that, but you have no knowledge of what is to happen. Does that mean that God allowed Hitler to kill millions of Jews....no, HE did not allow it, HE CAUSED it.

Does this mean God is evil...no. It means that God created EVERYTHING, including SATAN/LUCIFER and created EVIL. Why? For everything to work towards his glory.

God is NOT a closed trinity and I dare you to show me the verse which defines the trinity in the bible. There isn't one. God is an expanding FAMILY and it is HIS WILL that ALL MANKIND be saved. This includes all murderers, abusers of power, terrorists, dictators, grandmas, parents, children. If God WILLS something, then it WILL come to pass.

The lake of fire is not HELL. HELL is a myth. Judgement is real, but HELL is not.

Christ gave us two commandments, which superseded the LAW.

'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

Do this and you will live.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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Irrespective of whether you mention God or not, the whole diatribe of the OP is too much for people. We want sound bites to whet our appetite to go on and read the topic. I reckon you need to learn that people's attention span is 10 seconds or so and then they turn off and click away. This original post is like a sermon which you feel good about afterwards (because you sat through it all) and then realise that you cannot remember a single thing that was said.

Yes, you can have a go at me for saying this if you like - because you may not like what I say, but it is true.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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I didn't read your first post. I will go back and search for it.

I grew up much like you and yes, I did grow to reject it all. But there came a point in my life when I realized that there was something greater than me. I arrived at this point because things just constantly worked out in my favor. I came to the conclusion, based on my upbringing, that something or someone up there was looking out for me. But what could that be? It certainly wasn't the "God" sitting around with "His" red pen, waiting on me to mess up or do well. I was just trying to survive and at that point in my life I was agnostic with a strong atheist leaning.

I have considered that the something or someone up there is actually a higher evolved version of myself.
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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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So Umm Im gonna be honest dude and Im not trying to be rude (as Im catholic myself) but What did you warn us about? I don't feel like reading that huge essay when fear mongering is so popular on this site. Can you summerize it?

"tl;dr"



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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"The quiet before the storm", I was like cool something good and intelligent to read. But as soon as I read "god", i stopped reading. You say you are trying to sound important.... well you story sound like it was written by a 12 years old.

I will tell you something right now. This is true, because i believe it.

THE PERSONS WHO SPEAKS, DOESN'T KNOW. THE PERSON THAT DOESN'T SPEAK, KNOWS.

The end of the world is here, and there when they don't really know. They want to believe in something so badly that they create thoughts in their mind and try to attach those thoughts to real life events, like dates etc... But deeply, they just wish their belief would become true because they would finally feel important, when the task here is not to feel important amongst others but to love yourself and try to evolve, not to stay in the same bull# forever like 90% of the planet does as we speak.

So I cannot read your story. First you don't have a lot of commas, i get out of breath after reading 3 phrases. Second your wording really sucks (I don't mean you suck, i meant your writing) so be wise... don't judge me here that i am a stupid idiot or whatever. when you'll be able to not judge others and try to feel important amongst others, a first step you will have taken.

Namaste

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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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(Sorry to everyone Im catching up. Click the thing above to see what my post is in reference to)

Woah dude. Don't be rude to Woody. Come on that aint nice. Is that what God would want you to do?




posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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what are talking about


Someone earlier said that you're probably twelve. I didn't believe them...now I kinda do.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Brianegan
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Not at all...I merely have made my choice where you are dwelling on deciding what you will defend......I am patient with these level beings as much as possible but you can not ask for something that is alrwady being given......

No matter how much is given everyone just keeps asking and asking and asking for more......


i thought it was all a song and dance, but i am starting to think i have been mistaken.

Well, anyway, it was worth another shot. i apologize if you took anything personally, as it was directed towards the archetype i thought you were "projecting," but i think its possible now that it is not a facade at all. The mind is an incredibly deep maze..

i made my decision.. a long "time" ago. i am not asking for anything, there is nothing to ask for. The cup never needed to be filled because it was already full.

Why does God need to be patient with God? What is given freely can never be taken away.

All the best.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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There is a vast universe out there mate. Of course there are things greater than us out there. For many people the logical answer is god.

The need to deal with the 'religion' issue is urgent, and until we do, our species is destined to self destruct.

Why tolerate religion when it preaches conditional love (I did not mean unconditional; have a think about this) on one hand, and hate and division on the other?

Its like trying to cure lung cancer with cigarettes.
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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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I got about 3/4 of the way through your post, I am a Christian, so my own belief in God is centered on Christ as my savior, however I do see a large picture that God Is Love & it is huge. Heart centered, realizing that God Knows all & I ask often that God Will Show me more & HE DOES! What stands out to me about your post is the fact you acknowledge, "consequences," of sin. Raised Catholic, this is significant to me as well, though I believe in forgiveness of sin as a Christian, I do believe there are consequences. Catholics believe in purgatory, so there's not just a, "gee God I'm sorry I just will do whatever I want & ask forgiveness for hurting a multitude of people & living life doing whatever, say, "I'm sorry, & wallah, up we go.. I have a hard time with that. Yes I believe in forgiveness of sin, but I believe as the bible says that nothing unpure will enter The Pearly Gates.

I also believe there are postive aspects to many of the faiths, that Catholics don't know it all, nor Baptists, Lutherans, etc.
I think that the 12 Gates in Heaven, there are 12 tribes & likely a variety of faiths that will enter, thus a conglomaration of believers, we are one in CHRIST JESUS, this is what the Christian bible says & how I was raised & what I believe.

Only God Knows All, I think there is much people on this earth cannot understand in our human form, I believe in The Light of CHRIST, God Is Love, God Is Light, E=mc2, transformation, is a big deal & this is your warning I think; being lethargic, in denial, thinking that one can live a life full of sin & then believe an automatic purity..
Is this what you are saying.. the warning = it's NOT that simple, God Is Love, & THE FIRE/LIGHT Will Burn the hate, sin, evil, out @ soul level & if one somehow imagines that will not be tough/work, think again. That's what I think.

The Christian bible does say, ask forgiveness & one's sins are forgiven, BUT there are consequences, GOD IS LOVE, a parent would not want their child to grow up without understanding consequences. This is the warning I believe you are conveying. I didn't get to the end of your post... I put on favorites to go back & read...
I think there are many layers, the veil of heaven is being lifted, end times in the bible states that information will travel quickly, there are signs.

The Vibrance Of Heaven, The River of Life, Purity Eternal, Richness Beyond Compare, no pain, or sorrow, it is not about fear. The Fire of GOD, HIS LOVE, no matter the pain of TRUTH, of GOD, will be better than holding onto to that which is otherwise.

THE WARNING THUS? is it beware of THE PURITY OF GOD'S LOVE, it is not in sin, deceit, that which is false.
E=mc2 THE FIRE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT is near I believe, transformation, The Lord's Return.
Choose fear or choose love. The Christian bible says that we are to fear the wrath of God but not man.
LOVE IS TRUTH. GOD IS LOVE.
STANDING IN THE FIRE OF CHRIST. HIS ARMOR. LIFE ETERNAL!

I really like the concept you mention of: consequences (I believe purgatory is necessary for many as one cannot enter The Gates of Heaven without purification)... God's Love Is Pure. Warning is not a threat but more of a fact, beware of THE FIRE, it is AWESOME but one has to stand in IT/ walk through IT. (The Harvest of Souls)...
It is a very exciting time in the world, but time is short I believe this also; as we know it. Good & evil are defining, making decisions. GOD IS LOVE. LOVE/THAT FIRE WILL PURIFY & all will give thanks to HE WHO MADE US!

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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Ima combine all my comments to this one post here.

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You have lived long enough to be humbled by this place and that is the reason why your decision arent the best suited in your care.........


Seriously starting to think you're twelve. You've not lived long enough?


Originally posted by Brianegan

Originally posted by BirdOfillOmen
So all the OP is saying is that if we're not totally righteous and down with God, we're wrong and we're the cause of all of the natural disasters and whatnot going on in the world?


YES........and it is out of sheer denial to think that there is any grey area between that any the opposite....Its all or nothing.....Get it right or get out is where its going and I thought it would be kind and caring of me to point that fact out..........God is not going to allow this type of behavior in a place like heaven and you can believe that...


This is how the WBB thinks. Perhaps you should go join them? I'm sure they'd love some new members.

I hear they kill a baby for every new member they get.




I am coming from love with my tone as well thought.......Trust me when i say that if everyone would have understood in time by using the calm caring form of love than that would have been my first choice and was for a long itime.......


Now as I said earlier I didn't read your OP but are you trying to say that out of love you tell us that God hates us?

Am I close to being right?


Originally posted by Brianegan

Originally posted by Nobama
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I eh dude no offense, but I stopped reading at




My prediction is everything will come down to wether or not you trust your decision over Gods decision. In other words do you still believe that your free will is a gift from god.





Again that is your own fault and since you left on such a statement you will also be held accountable.


Technicly I stopped reading there also. Does that make me a bad person? It isn't for doubt in God. I love my God. But that's just it I think he loves me back.





From what I read, this is the summary of what the OP was saying; People that say "if there was a God, why is there so much pain in the world?" should realize that God gave man freewill. Pain and suffering are caused by man's hand, not God. Either God gave us freewill to show us we can't act right on our own or as a gift to walk our own path as we see fit, giving us the option to love Him or not. One can't truly love another without freewill.


Is this true OP? If so then I take back some of my statements. But still that doesn't explain Tornados and the like. That isn't by man's own hand. Are you saying that God does Natural Disasters because we kill people by our own freewill? That doesn't make much sense to me.


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Hey Brianegan, Your answer was exactly what I expected but I just needed to be sure I hadn't got you wrong ... I didn't. Ego is in us all ... it is part of the human condition whether we like it or not ... and even has a place in certain circumstances ... but beware ... it can become a monster without you even noticing. Your reply to my question tells me that your needle is already wavering on the 'red'. What 'you' do with 'my' warning (in an effort to save you) is your choice ... look before you leap my friend and question your motives for your decision. Woody


Thumbs up Woody.

Alright well Im done giving my opinions here. I'd be interesting in OP replying. Trust me OP I'm not full of hate. Just talk to me.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Please get raptured (Christian, Mulsim etc alike) so that we may have our planet back please.

Wouldn't it be funny if god actually did exist, and removed all people holding us back as a species? That seems more logical to me than saving those that are easy misled. Its an endless contradiction but so many people follow the shepherd.


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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by allourep
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Another thing. I am surprised how many of you bother reading posts like these. How do you have the time? Not only am I surprised about how many posts like this there are, but the comments that follow are endless. "Well, I still haven't read all of your post because its so long, but I will reply when I am done." "Read some of it now but will have to finish when I get home from work." Really? What is there to gain from reading these sort of posts? DO you read every like this that is posted? There are sooooo many.

It is true that some people were better off on Fox News and MSNBC rather than coming here to write and read drivel. You can always go back to the shallow side. No one is requiring your being here. Not God. Not man. Not even the government.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by john124
As soon as you mentioned god I stopped reading, and I'm guessing most other readers will as well.


ditto



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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With so many conspiracy options (including facts such as Obama's forged Birth Certificate) why do people crank up the negative God comments? You have Fox News and MSNBC to turn to why come here and trash someone's posting with complaints about having to read it or that it is too long? No body is forcing you to come to this site. I didn't see an automatic forwarder from some other site bringing you here and then forcing you to read God threads. Now having said that the original post could have been more summarized, but I did read all of it so I wouldn't miss anything that might be pending. I generally don't walk out of movies for the same reason. This site is really bringing out the atheist complainers lately. Probably because they have absolutely no theories about the universe worth a damn, so all they can do is complain. Cant you do that at CNN's website? I thought they had blogs.
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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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theres no such thing as a personified 'god' figure, 'heavenly father', what have you. with all the connotation pinned to the word 'god' i don't know how anybody understands this post. let me interject.

there is consciousness.

thats it.

there is no separation, between us as people, between us and some higher power. all there is is a single consciousness that we all share. i prefer to not call it god because of the implications, because what does one think of when the word god is brought up?

some old dude watching everything we do? thats ridiculous.

all that exists is consciousness and the products of it. this world is a mere reflection.

bad things don't happen in the world because of free will, because we don't hand over our lives to the 'will of god'

bad things happen because the world's population is overrun with negative thinking.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by john124
As soon as you mentioned god I stopped reading, and I'm guessing most other readers will as well.


I have to admit, I stopped too at the mention of god.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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We are on the same page here.

I understand what you are saying here. I like you analogy concerning curing cancer with cigarettes.



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