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The quiet before the storm. Just so you can't say that you werent warned.

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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:33 PM
reply to post by Brianegan

I only have this to say. If you have to make someone love you, it means nothing. To choose to love someone you must have free will. Only with free will and by choosing to belong to god, does it mean anything.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:34 PM
reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel

bc it can still be so much better and you are just settleing

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Brianegan

Originally posted by BirdOfillOmen
What makes you think this is all true? There's some interesting theory there and I appreciate you trying to help people, but where did this come from?

I begged you not to focus on that yet please.......Try to at least prove me wrong or prove me right......Its not only so much more important but its actually extremely fun once you build up the momentum to travel this road.

I will answer that question but not at this time.......You have my apology but I will stand strong to my original reason behind keeping that not the main focus here.

What's fun about trying to prove something right or wrong that can't be proven right or wrong? God's existance, for example, cannot be proven right or wrong. Nor can a tea pot in a hypothetical orbit around the sun...

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:36 PM
reply to post by cry93

I will pause here and pick up in the moring where i left off in the responses.....I enjoy leving on good note so thank you poster and ill give it my full full attention when i am able.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:36 PM
reply to post by Brianegan

The Mormons believe that the entire city of Enoch was so close to God and of one heart and one mind that they could no longer be located on earth and were removed to another location as an entire group.

2 And from that time forth Enoch began to prophesy, saying unto the people, that: As I was journeying, and stood upon the place Mahujah, and cried unto the Lord, there came a voice out of heaven, saying�Turn ye, and get ye upon the mount Simeon.

3 And it came to pass that I turned and went up on the mount; and as I stood upon the mount, I beheld the heavens open, and I was clothed upon with glory;

4 And I saw the Lord; and he stood before my face, and he talked with me, even as a man talketh one with another, face to face; and he said unto me: Look, and I will show unto thee the world for the space of many generations.

9 And it came to pass that the Lord said unto me: Look; and I looked, and I beheld the land of Sharon, and the land of Enoch, and the land of Omner, and the land of Heni, and the land of Shem, and the land of Haner, and the land of Hanannihah, and all the inhabitants thereof;

10 And the Lord said unto me: Go to this people, and say unto them�Repent, lest I come out and smite them with a curse, and they die.

11 And he gave unto me a commandment that I should baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, which is full of grace and truth, and of the Holy Ghost, which beareth record of the Father and the Son.

12 And it came to pass that Enoch continued to call upon all the people, save it were the people of Canaan, to repent;

13 And so great was the faith of Enoch that he led the people of God, and their enemies came to battle against them; and he spake the word of the Lord, and the earth trembled, and the mountains fled, even according to his command; and the rivers of water were turned out of their course; and the roar of the lions was heard out of the wilderness; and all nations feared greatly, so powerful was the word of Enoch, and so great was the power of the language which God had given him.

14 There also came up a land out of the depth of the sea, and so great was the fear of the enemies of the people of God, that they fled and stood afar off and went upon the land which came up out of the depth of the sea.

15 And the giants of the land, also, stood afar off; and there went forth a curse upon all people that fought against God;

16 And from that time forth there were wars and bloodshed among them; but the Lord came and dwelt with his people, and they dwelt in righteousness.

17 The fear of the Lord was upon all nations, so great was the glory of the Lord, which was upon his people. And the Lord blessed the land, and they were blessed upon the mountains, and upon the high places, and did flourish.

18 And the Lord called his people ZION, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.

19 And Enoch continued his preaching in righteousness unto the people of God. And it came to pass in his days, that he built a city that was called the City of Holiness, even ZION.

20 And it came to pass that Enoch talked with the Lord; and he said unto the Lord: Surely Zion shall dwell in safety forever. But the Lord said unto Enoch: Zion have I blessed, but the residue of the people have I cursed.

21 And it came to pass that the Lord showed unto Enoch all the inhabitants of the earth; and he beheld, and lo, Zion, in process of time, was taken up into heaven. And the Lord said unto Enoch: Behold mine abode forever.

23 And after that Zion was taken up into heaven, Enoch beheld, and lo, all the nations of the earth were before him;

24 And there came generation upon generation; and Enoch was high and lifted up, even in the bosom of the Father, and of the Son of Man; and behold, the power of Satan was upon all the face of the earth.

25 And he saw angels descending out of heaven; and he heard a loud voice saying: Wo, wo be unto the inhabitants of the earth.

26 And he beheld Satan; and he had a great chain in his hand, and it veiled the whole face of the earth with darkness; and he looked up and laughed, and his angels rejoiced.

27 And Enoch beheld angels descending out of heaven, bearing testimony of the Father and Son; and the Holy Ghost fell on many, and they were caught up by the powers of heaven into Zion.

28 And it came to pass that the God of heaven looked upon the residue of the people, and he wept; and Enoch bore record of it, saying: How is it that the heavens weep, and shed forth their tears as the rain upon the mountains?

29 And Enoch said unto the Lord: How is it that thou canst weep, seeing thou art holy, and from all eternity to all eternity?

30 And were it possible that man could number the particles of the earth, yea, millions of earths like this, it would not be a beginning to the number of thy creations; and thy curtains are stretched out still; and yet thou art there, and thy bosom is there; and also thou art just; thou art merciful and kind forever;

31 And thou hast taken Zion to thine own bosom, from all thy creations, from all eternity to all eternity; and naught but peace, justice, and truth is the habitation of thy throne; and mercy shall go before thy face and have no end; how is it thou canst weep?

32 The Lord said unto Enoch: Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;

33 And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father; but behold, they are without affection, and they hate their own blood;

34 And the fire of mine indignation is kindled against them; and in my hot displeasure will I send in the floods upon them, for my fierce anger is kindled against them.

35 Behold, I am God; Man of Holiness is my name; Man of Counsel is my name; and Endless and Eternal is my name, also.

36 Wherefore, I can stretch forth mine hands and hold all the creations which I have made; and mine eye can pierce them also, and among all the workmanship of mine hands there has not been so great wickedness as among thy brethren.

37 But behold, their sins shall be upon the heads of their fathers; Satan shall be their father, and misery shall be their doom; and the whole heavens shall weep over them, even all the workmanship of mine hands; wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer?

38 But behold, these which thine eyes are upon shall perish in the floods; and behold, I will shut them up; a prison have I prepared for them.

39 And That which I have chosen hath pled before my face. Wherefore, he suffereth for their sins; inasmuch as they will repent in the day that my Chosen shall return unto me, and until that day they shall be in torment;

40 Wherefore, for this shall the heavens weep, yea, and all the workmanship of mine hands.

41 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Enoch, and told Enoch all the doings of the children of men; wherefore Enoch knew, and looked upon their wickedness, and their misery, and wept and stretched forth his arms, and his heart swelled wide as eternity; and his bowels yearned; and all eternity shook.

42 And Enoch also saw Noah, and his family; that the posterity of all the sons of Noah should be saved with a temporal salvation;

43 Wherefore Enoch saw that Noah built an ark; and that the Lord smiled upon it, and held it in his own hand; but upon the residue of the wicked the floods came and swallowed them up.

44 And as Enoch saw this, he had bitterness of soul, and wept over his brethren, and said unto the heavens: I will refuse to be comforted; but the Lord said unto Enoch: Lift up your heart, and be glad; and look.

45 And it came to pass that Enoch looked; and from Noah, he beheld all the families of the earth; and he cried unto the Lord, saying: When shall the day of the Lord come? When shall the blood of the Righteous be shed, that all they that mourn may be sanctified and have eternal life?

46 And the Lord said: It shall be in the meridian of time, in the days of wickedness and vengeance.

47 And behold, Enoch saw the day of the coming of the Son of Man, even in the flesh; and his soul rejoiced, saying: The Righteous is lifted up, and the Lamb is slain from the foundation of the world; and through faith I am in the bosom of the Father, and behold, Zion is with me.

48 And it came to pass that Enoch looked upon the earth; and he heard a voice from the bowels thereof, saying: Wo, wo is me, the mother of men; I am pained, I am weary, because of the wickedness of my children. When shall I rest, and be cleansed from the filthiness which is gone forth out of me? When will my Creator sanctify me, that I may rest, and righteousness for a season abide upon my face?

49 And when Enoch heard the earth mourn, he wept, and cried unto the Lord, saying: O Lord, wilt thou not have compassion upon the earth? Wilt thou not bless the children of Noah?

50 And it came to pass that Enoch continued his cry unto the Lord, saying: I ask thee, O Lord, in the name of thine Only Begotten, even Jesus Christ, that thou wilt have mercy upon Noah and his seed, that the earth might never more be covered by the floods.

51 And the Lord could not withhold; and he covenanted with Enoch, and sware unto him with an oath, that he would stay the floods; that he would call upon the children of Noah;

52 And he sent forth an unalterable decree, that a remnant of his seed should always be found among all nations, while the earth should stand;

53 And the Lord said: Blessed is he through whose seed Messiah shall come; for he saith�I am Messiah, the King of Zion, the Rock of Heaven, which is broad as eternity; whoso cometh in at the gate and climbeth up by me shall never fall; wherefore, blessed are they of whom I have spoken, for they shall come forth with songs of everlasting joy.

54 And it came to pass that Enoch cried unto the Lord, saying: When the Son of Man cometh in the flesh, shall the earth rest? I pray thee, show me these things.

55 And the Lord said unto Enoch: Look, and he looked and beheld the Son of Man lifted up on the cross, after the manner of men;

56 And he heard a loud voice; and the heavens were veiled; and all the creations of God mourned; and the earth groaned; and the rocks were rent; and the saints arose, and were crowned at the right hand of the Son of Man, with crowns of glory;

57 And as many of the spirits as were in prison came forth, and stood on the right hand of God; and the remainder were reserved in chains of darkness until the judgment of the great day.

58 And again Enoch wept and cried unto the Lord, saying: When shall the earth rest?

59 And Enoch beheld the Son of Man ascend up unto the Father; and he called unto the Lord, saying: Wilt thou not come again upon the earth? Forasmuch as thou art God, and I know thee, and thou hast sworn unto me, and commanded me that I should ask in the name of thine Only Begotten; thou hast made me, and given unto me a right to thy throne, and not of myself, but through thine own grace; wherefore, I ask thee if thou wilt not come again on the earth.

60 And the Lord said unto Enoch: As I live, even so will I come in the last days, in the days of wickedness and vengeance, to fulfil the oath which I have made unto you concerning the children of Noah;

61 And the day shall come that the earth shall rest, but before that day the heavens shall be darkened, and a veil of darkness shall cover the earth; and the heavens shall shake, and also the earth; and great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will I preserve;

62 And righteousness will I send down out of heaven; and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men; and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem.

63 And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other;

64 And there shall be mine abode, and it shall be Zion, which shall come forth out of all the creations which I have made; and for the space of a thousand years the earth shall rest.

65 And it came to pass that Enoch saw the day of the coming of the Son of Man, in the last days, to dwell on the earth in righteousness for the space of a thousand years;

66 But before that day he saw great tribulations among the wicked; and he also saw the sea, that it was troubled, and men�s hearts failing them, looking forth with fear for the judgments of the Almighty God, which should come upon the wicked.

67 And the Lord showed Enoch all things, even unto the end of the world; and he saw the day of the righteous, the hour of their redemption, and received a fulness of joy;

68 And all the days of Zion, in the days of Enoch, were three hundred and sixty-five years.

69 And Enoch and all his people walked with God, and he dwelt in the midst of Zion; and it came to pass that Zion was not, for God received it up into his own bosom; and from thence went forth the saying, ZION IS FLED.

This is the "legend" of the City of Enoch by the LDS people.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Brianegan
reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel

bc it can still be so much better and you are just settleing

i am not settling for anything , we all play the cards we are dealt.. it just that you have an excuse why your cards are not very good .. simple as that...

and whilst you bask in your pre-concieved bubble, the rest of us will deal with reality.

Save yourself!!! no one will do it for you

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:43 PM
reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel

hahaha...Thank you sooo much! My thoughts are provided by a lot of hours of reading and finding out for myself where it is I will go when I take my last breath. My steps sons death along with other deaths saved me from myself as I would have never been as humble and loving. You are talking to someone who was at one time full of anger and and would rather hit someone that looked at me the wrong way.
I wanted more....especially after my step son died. His dad buried him in his Bulls jacket...for the fear he would be cold. After much reading and conveying to him the love I was feeling through other books than just the Bible...he too is convinced that where Joshua is..he will be also. Its sad that a tragedy can turn many over to the light of love.....but its true and factual. Its a sacrifice in a sense. I mean...we are all destined for death or re birth if you will. This is just a moment in time that will quickly pass. The time spent here on this Planet can be used in a way to help others be happy. Its not all about me or you...its about US as a whole...right? hahaha

Thanks again babe! xoxox Much love for you and yours!

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:44 PM
3 words comes to mind when it comes to Mormons


posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:47 PM
I think you should take your 'god' drivel and jam it up your arse.

Religion is the root of all suffering, and people such as myself have had an absolute gutful of the hate you all spew. The inquisition, just about any war you can think of, rampant overpopulation (this is partly the fault of our economic paradigm too I will admit), terrorism, violence inspired by 'god'.

I have had enough of tolerating the extremism and insanity of religion and WILL NOT put up with it anymore. Even the other day I had a half smacked out street preacher talking to me like I was a moron, trying to explain that evolution is false and misleading, all religions other than Christianity are the work of the devil, and that if I repent my sins now I will be saved. I'm the hater though right?.... Um ok then.

The ENTIRE problem is the faith in a fuzzy man in the sky who will look after you when you're dead.

How about this; use you common sense and reason, and live your life as if it may be your only chance. You will accomplish more and not be brainwashed with the hate fuelled propoganda of ANY religion, because you will see how stupid than organised religion actually is.

I'm not saying there is nothing after death for I could not know, but organised religion is a curse on our species and should be destroyed. The type of organised religion that inspires hate and fuels massive ego trips.

Have you every thought about what you happen if all of a sudden, everyone lost their sense of ego? The world would change overnight.

You ever read the old testament? Starting to get my point?

I will no longer tolerate organised religion, much like people in the past have not tolerated alien abduction, ghost, monster or fairy stories. Its fantasy for adults, but much more dangerous.

You brainwash your children, you influence global economics and politics, you are the cause of countless wars, you contribute to the deaths of innocent people around the globe, you promote ignorance and denounce reason. Yes this means YOU. If you support organised religion then you are a part of a whole that is slowly but surely dragging our species into, ironically, 'hell on earth'.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:49 PM
Not sure about everyone else, but I am tired of the front page posts lately. They all seem to be rants/thoughts just typed out in one big paragraph. I didn't read this one and dont plan on it. I am just sick of clicking new threads and all it is is somebody rambling about themselves/their opinions. I remember not long ago you could find stories about current events with links on this site. In fact, yous still can but for some reason this kind of content is what has been displayed on the front. Why?

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:49 PM
Like others, I did not read the entire piece yet, but I would like to answer the question regarding giving one's free will back to God. That question seems relatively easy, because of one important thing. If one has no free will, and God determines one's actions, then that person is no longer responsible for those actions. So basically what I mean is that God should let you into heaven no matter what.

For a while I wrestled with the belief that God doesn't interfere in the Universe at all, finally deciding that he may indeed interfere regularly. Surely the people who know much more about theology and the Christian religion, for example, would not advocate prayer if they did not believe that God interferes and can change the outcomes of things.

I also asked myself questions regarding quantum mechanics, specifically entanglement and the duality of particles, and how it seemed that these characteristics overall allowed creationism a more valid foothold, at least in my opinion.

So the question of free will can be looked at from two different perspectives. First, is it the physics and chemistry that decide our actions, or is it God, or do we really have free will? To me, again, from the angle of God controlling one's will, it is very easy to see that everyone would get into heaven if this were the case, because God would be the one who caused them to do bad things as well as good, etc...

Free will is simply complicated. The issue at least. Philosophers have puzzled over it for centuries, but I think the answer, right or wrong, can be found only on an individual basis. So many other things come into play, such as the nature of consciousness, and how much of our actions are caused by decisions we made, or are the decisions themselves dictated by the chemistry of the brain? Very sketchy stuff, mainly because it involves more than one discipline; those being scientific, theological, philosophical, logical, etc...

I don't have all the answers for everyone, and only a few of them for myself, but one thing is certain: we would all be better off to consider and debate these ideas, constantly expanding and revising our opinions and beliefs as needed.
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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:51 PM
reply to post by gabby2011

There is always free will...only consequences

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:54 PM
reply to post by allourep

Another thing. I am surprised how many of you bother reading posts like these. How do you have the time? Not only am I surprised about how many posts like this there are, but the comments that follow are endless. "Well, I still haven't read all of your post because its so long, but I will reply when I am done." "Read some of it now but will have to finish when I get home from work." Really? What is there to gain from reading these sort of posts? DO you read every like this that is posted? There are sooooo many.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:55 PM
reply to post by TheReturnisNear

Remember Enoch himself here. Recall the wheel within the wheel and Merkaba. I sincerely believe Enoch was "raptured" and taken up due to his extreme spiritual maturity.

Enoch was a very wise man.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:55 PM
Let me preempt the expected (and totally canned) response:

If 'god' loves me, and 'god' exists, then he/she/it will be happy that I recognise the collosal misinterpretation by particular members of our species of the 'prophets'.

Basically I think Jesus and the like were just people who were much more in touch with their inner selves and did not rely on massive ego to drive them through life, and thus the message was misinterpreted by those that could know no other way.

I'm done now.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:56 PM
I Honor the Goddess in all her to you, what does that mean?

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:58 PM
reply to post by seenitall

And IMO this is highly possible. I do believe the original message was misinterpreted. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

Is there nothing in KJV of the Bible that speaks to your spiritual self? For me, Psalms and 1Corinthians are beautiful.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:02 PM
God won't have any thing to do with this, at all.

God never helped anyone, people helped themselves. Anyone who says "God did it for me" will find out with a good hard look at themselves that no, he didn't. You did it for yourselves.

Make your own luck, don't rely on God to do it all for you. God never helped anyone in the history of mankind who didn't help themselves.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:04 PM
sorry, but once you mention religion I didn't bother to read on.
I do believe in higher intelligences out there ( IE ET civilizations that have been around for a very very very very very long time ). But thats not a god, just people that are smarter then us and have been around longer then us.

posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 08:04 PM
reply to post by cry93

Read my first post and you will understand how I feel.

I do not completely discount the idea of something after death, however I am thoroughly Atheist, and I can say this after having been forced into a religious upbringing. I guess god is upset that I questioned things? I embraced what is referred to as reason and critical thought, grew up, and became a scientist.

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