Originally posted by Angelic Resurrection
sure they work, but one with a closed loop requires an initial cop of 6 or greater, which is not impossible but extremly difficult to acheive in our 3
spatial and one time dimension
May i ask what "cop" stands for? As in "initial cop"?
Are you saying that the reason we can't make a free energy device power itself is that we lack two extra dimensions in which to connect the output
cables, or something like that?
I guarantee you, that if you show me a device that actually puts out more (non-imaginary) power than it requires to operate itself, and can use that
output to power stuff, i can make it power itself, so that no batteries or other kinds of regular (and boring) power sources will be required on the
input. Anyone with some knowledge in the field of electronics could do it, even most hobbyists, never mind professionals.
In several threads i saw people asking why these devices can't be "looped", with that being the reason for not believing in them..
And it is a good reason... When these inventors are using batteries or other power sources and claiming that the battery only provides a trigger
and/or signal or "information" or whatever, but they can't remove the battery from the circuit after starting the device, there is absolutely no
reason to believe anything they are saying.
If for example you have a power source that puts out 8W of power, it can easily be used to power a device that requires 1W, and the power source will
still have 7W to spare.
So if you invent a magical power source, that uses 1W of power and creates 8W on the output (similar to the alleged ratio of the device in the
), why can the inventor not use one-eight of the output, to provide power to the input in the first place, eliminating the battery
If i had that device and it worked the way they say, that's exactly what i would do, and i'd use the remaining 7/8ths of the output to power a bunch
of LED's, making a flashlight that never needs recharging, as proof of concept. And if it required some external power to start it up when needed,
i'd include a tiny rechargeable coin cell, that would provide the required "kick", and would then recharge itself from the output.
Even if for some reason an eternal flashlight was the only thing you could make with it, that would still make the inventor rich! And besides it's
intended use, thousands of people would be buying them, just to take them appart, and see what else they can make with the power source, not to
mention figuring out how it works! The inventor could be a millionaire overnight!
And yet for some reason, all we ever get are a bunch of promises, and some kits where it's your fault that they don't work! So why should any
reasonable person believe anything these inventors are saying?
Is this the point you say "But, ...dimensions....!"?
Are some of the inventors actually saying that their devices DO create more power than they use, but that we can't use that power, because it flows
through dimensions other than our own?
But of course they are. That, or they say that the output power only appears lower than the input, because the rest comes in the form of ether flow,
or mystic vibrations and so on..
Let's say for a moment, that this is true. In that case, what's the point? Aren't these devices supposed to power our stuff, and allow us to go
"off the grid"? How, when my local electronics store doesn't carry six dimensional cables?
Besides, if all this free energy only flows through the fifth and sixth dimension, or takes the form of ether, and thus can't be used or measured, in
that case, how do these inventors even know it's there? Since this is often their excuse (sorry, i meant explanation
), how do they know how
much more power they created?!? How do they measure this free energy? Do they have six dimensional oscilloscopes? Did i miss something in the latest
My questions to such inventors would be:
- If it's not in our universe, how can it be measured, never mind used?
- If it can't be used or measured, what are the inventors claims based on then? And what's the point?
- How do they calculate the gain? Gut feeling? Tarot readings? Pendulums? Channeling?
It must be channeling, if the energy is flowing in the direction of parallel universes. I guess they just ask the aliens there?
But let's forget about the devices that can only power other universes, and get back to ours for now. After all, that is what we need, right? Luckily
there are people claiming they invented devices, that CAN power stuff right here and now, without multidimensional transformers.
If a device works, if it creates more power than it uses, and can power an entire house, or anything at all for that matter, why can it not power
itself? I mean, that's the holy grail of free energy! It's the whole point, the basic idea behind it - creating perpetual motion or it's electronic
equivalent - a device that moves or otherwise powers itself (+ other things).
Now the inventor might say "Well, even tho it does produce more power than it uses, it can't power itself, because the electricity on the output is
changed, it becomes incompatible (or whatever, for whatever reason)...".
I'm afraid that is no excuse. The only important question is still: "Can it power stuff in our universe?" Because as long as it can power stuff,
like an electric motor for example (and many allegedly can), then it is apparently capable of creating magnetic fields, when flowing through coils.
And if it's capable of that, there is no reason we shouldn't be able to use a more or less regular transformer, to convert the output power into
something that could be used to power the input of the very same device.
But then the inventor might say "But, but... The resulting magnetic fields are also incompatible, it won't work.".
Again, that is no excuse. As long as it can power stuff! If it can power a motor, we can stick a shaft in that motor, and put a generator on the other
end of the shaft. There will be some losses, but hey, we have 8 times the input power to work with, and now we can use the output of the generator to
use a part of all that power, to power the device itself.
Problem solved! Now where's that free energy device?
If it can power stuff in this universe, then there is no reason whatsoever for it not being able to power itself at the same time (even if for
mystical reasons we had to jump through hoops)!
So what then are the reasons no one is making these devices self powered and selling them, when they claim that they work?
And if it's because they are so afraid of getting killed by TPTB, why then would they sell their plans and kits? Online! Isn't that even worse than
selling working devices, in the eyes of TPTB?!?
Have any of these inventors ever invented anything except elaborate excuses for why it won't work or why it works but they can't offer working
And BTW... Wanting to believe is not a criteria for something being true, i'm afraid.
I would absolutelly love to believe such devices are possible myself! But that doesn't mean i will, without ANY reason whatsoever. And so far, i
haven't seen anyone providing any reasons to believe.
Sad thing is, if some garage inventor some day in the future actually came up with a working concept, they will be ignored and ridiculed, because of
all these scammers, who are ripping people off. Luckily for them, this won't be a problem, since they will only have to show it working, to get
investors. And if it would actually work, they won't have a reason to hide it and make excuses...
P.S. Wasn't planning on writing such a long post, but i wanted to cover as many excuses as i could think of...