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Originally posted by Partygirl
Originally posted by SaberTruth
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
It's impossible for those of us wishing to delve deeper into Theological issues if we have to keep arguing the basics in every thread. Some of us wish to argue deeper Theological issues than "God exists", "Nuuh uhhh, no he doesn't."
This is the "elephant in the living room" at ATS. I've seen off-topic posts, trolling, bad behavior, etc. rapidly excised in other areas, but in anything Christianity-related the rules aren't enforced well, if at all. And because of that, people of faith cannot have a civilized, adult conversation. It's like trying to discuss differential calculus in a day-care center. Some members think that if a thread is in the public domain it means "talk about whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want", and if we don't like it, we should just shut up and hide. Yet they claim to be so tolerant and "free thinking". Methinks that word really means "free of thinking" and completely undisciplined. They respect no one who doesn't buy into their worldview. And then they wonder why we call them trolls. o.O
What if we all agree to simply ignore rude, off-topic, intrusive Athiest posts? If we just simply don't respond then conversations among Christians can progress to a higher level.
Or, technically, there is recource to the alert button if the T&C are obviously broken, right?
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by SaberTruth
You wrote:
["And because of that, people of faith cannot have a civilized, adult conversation"]
Can this be read, as if you're persecuted?
85. Jesus said, “Adam came into being from a great power
and a great wealth,
but he did not become worthy of you.
For had he been worthy,
he would not have experienced death."
85. Jesus said, “Adam came into being from a great power
and a great wealth,
but he did not become worthy of you.
For had he been worthy,
he would not have experienced death."
Originally posted by Vicky32
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by SaberTruth
You wrote:
["And because of that, people of faith cannot have a civilized, adult conversation"]
Can this be read, as if you're persecuted?
Oh grow up! Really.. You're trolling, because you've said the same thing on every Christian thread for the past week. You're simply seeking attention, and you're not getting any more of it from me, for one.
V
MT, that's all very interesting... but completely irrelevant to the OP's question: why do Christians still eat apples if it's forbidden fruit? Simple question, simple answers given.
I'm sure you're a nice person
This is NOT a thread for any and all theories from every other religious or philosophical POV.
I know, I'm not a mod, but they seem to ignore this part of ATS and let anything go. So I'm only saying this to explain why I for one won't be responding to your points.
I'm sure you're a nice person but we Christians are apparently the only ones who even care or remember what the thread is supposed to be about.
Maybe start another thread on this new topic?
Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
The Following may throw some understanding regarding "The Tree of The Knowledge of Good & Evil".
Remember EVE came From A'DAM...
The Tree was Never called “The Tree of Knowledge” but was called “The Tree, of The Knowledge of Good & Evil”.
This is the Mystery around The Number Identifying the Geometric Algorithm of The 666.
As in the Writings Cain was given this Mark so none should kill him.
Mystery 666 which is No mystery….
First, let's look at one of the ways the Soul checks the Transfer of Information…
It is achieved by using “STAR LOGIC based on the “STAR of DAVID”
The “Processing System” uses the “Opposites” to both Create and check the Transfer of Information.
Lets consider this in "Hexagonal" Format…
"Hexagonal" Format is based on 3 Components….
1. Program (The Son or In-between, between the Control and Data in the form of Geometry or Form).
2. Control (The Father or Outer True Mind)
and
3. Data in the form of Geometry or Form.
This forms a “Triune" which is represented in Geometry as a Triangle.
Here is a method of checking the reliability of the transfer of Information within any "Geometric Processing System" of the Mind or Biological Interfaces.
This shows a flow chart of the Logic.
In this Case the Colours refer to the Source of the Information being transmitted within a network such as a biological network as in A’DAM’s DNA and "Processing System" within the brain.
First here is the Logic Structure involving the Source of the DNA.
And in the case of an “Alien even if they self conceive (If designed to)
And in this case, see Drawing below, a “Normal Offspring between A’DAM & EVE.
As EVE came from A’DAM i.e. his DNA, then EVE will be a true “Opposite”.
Remembering that A’DAM is formed from 2 sets of “Genes which are “Opposites”, Male and Female.
So when these 2 sets of Genes are come together to form complete Programs, the “Processing” within these biological or cellular networks, will operate Correctly without errors.
Therefore when one set of Genes from A’DAM unite with the other set of Genes from EVE, remembering that EVEs genes came from A’DAM in the first place (from His rib according to some ancient writings) so they would be compatible in the formation of a “Normal Offspring” actually which never happen, because EVE committed “Adultery” with the Wicked One or “Alen” First
A Normal Child between A’DAM & EVE (But remember this did NOT take Pace).
But here is the Flow Chart anyway. This Normal Offspring would have had “Single Logic” i.e. an incorrupt biological system.
So if we look at the "Logic" within "Jesus the Carpenters body" we find also "Single Logic" because both sets of Genes came from Mays body.
How could this happen? Remember the universe and Species are only the result of programs and the programmer can write into the program anything they wish to.
But now let us consider what happens as a result of EVEs Adultery with that Alien, “The Wicked One”, which resulted in the birth of CAIN the first born of EVE and NOT involving A’DAM.
When we consider this flow chart we find a much different story where "Double Logic" is produced which brings about confusion in the "Processing System" within cellular environments. The DNA Structure is much different. This undesirable system brought about Death as a result of corruption or incompatible between the species within the DNA which control Cellular Chemical activity.
In all the examples shown above, except for the last flow chart in each set of 3 STARS are the same.
But in the last Drawing the 3 STARS are Different so this is where the 666 comes from…
Three 6 Pointed STARS which are All different i.e. the Coloured contents of the points of the STARS are geographically different and when the first 2 STARS are compared 2 colours are found in each point of the STAR seen in the 3rd Position. So each Point in the STAR has 2 Options which are "Opposite" to each other…
So this is why the brain can never, logic "Truth" or Logic "True Knowledge" and is constantly struggling to achieve anything and can only experiment, falling ill, and eventually breaking down...
In other words Dies.
Every person has "The Number of The Beast" (The human Species; The Descendants of A'DAM & EVE and "The Wicked One" the Alien)
The "Human Primate" is a Beast of the Field just like any other Primate....
EVE was Contaminated with The Alien DNA (which was a bread of Hermaphrodite) and This Genetic Contamination was passed onto A'DAM through EVE.
This is why A'DAN & EVE both DIED !!!
And All the Generations of A'DAM & EVE then DIED !!!
Here is a Flow Chart which shows why we die…
It involves the 2 Cyclic Programs which Control the “Regeneration of cellular components within the Species.
If we Change it from the Format shown in the above Drawing to that shown in the Drawing below the Body Shall NOT Die…
And here is the Interpretation on The "Outer Programming Stage" of The Eye Matrix "Partition Map" in The Souls "Operating System"…
The Blue Square accesses The Temporary Libraries of "The City of 9 Gates".
And The Yellow Square on Edge is “The Running Program”
edit on 5-6-2011 by The Matrix Traveller because: Syntax Errors
Question for you MT, Creation was conceived by the True Mind/God, and all that can be seen were made by him, and that which cannot be seen are all of him; therefore where did the alien/hermaphrodite come from, who created it and what is its essence?
3. ALL things were made through Him,
and without Him was Nothing made that was made.
05. Though shalt Not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
for I Am a Jealous GOD, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children unto the third and fourth generation
of them that hate Me;
06. And skewing Mercy unto thousands of them
that LOVE Me, and Keep My Commandments.
14. For thou shalt worship NO other GOD:
for My NAME is JEALOUS, is a Jealous GOD.
9. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches:
so that ALL the Trees of EDEN, that were in The GARDEN of GOD Envied him.
therefore where did the alien/hermaphrodite come from,
who created it
and what is its essence
106. Jesus said, “When you make the Two One,
you will become The Sons of Man and when you say,
“Mountain, Move Away, it will move away.”
107. Jesus said,
“The Kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep.
One of them, the largest, went astray.
He left the ninety-nine and looked for that one until he found it.
When he had gone to such trouble, he said to the sheep,
“I care for you, more than the ninety-nine.”
108. Jesus said, “He who will drink from My Mouth
will Become Like Me.
I Myself Shall Become Him,
and The Things That Are Hidden
Will Be Revealed to Him.”
11.
Jesus said, “This heaven will pass away,
and the one above it, will pass away.
The dead are Not alive, and the living will Not die.
In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive.
When you come to dwell in The Light, what will you do?
On the day when you were one you became two.
But when you become two, what will you do?”
22. Jesus saw infants being suckled.
He said to his disciples,
“These infants being suckled are like those who enter the Kingdom.”
They said to Him,
“Shall we then, as children, enter The Kingdom?”
Jesus said to them,
“When you make the two one,
and when you make the inside like the outside
and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below,
and when you make the male and the female one and the same,
so that the male not be male nor the female;
and when you fashion eyes in place of an eye,
and a hand in place of a hand,
and a foot in place of a foot,
and a likeness in place of a likeness;
then will you enter The Kingdom.”
48. Jesus said,
“If two make peace with each other in this one house,
they will say to the mountain, “Move away,” and it will move away.”
61. Jesus said,
“Two will rest on a bead:
the one will die, the other will live.”
Salome said, “I am Your disciple.”
Jesus said to her
“Therefore I say, if he is undivided, he will be filled with Light,
but if he is Divided, he will be filled with Darkness.”
87. Jesus said,
“Wretched is the body that is dependent upon a body,
and wretched is the Soul that is dependent on these two.”
106. Jesus said, “When you make the Two One,
you will become The Sons of Man
and when you say, “Mountain, Move Away, it will move away.”
114. Simon Peter said to them,
“Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of LIFE.”
Jesus said,
“I Myself shall lead her in order to make her male,
so that she too may become a living spirit.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Do we really need a doctorate in Mathematics to be saved?
Just curious, thx.
Originally posted by SaberTruth
Wow... "Why do Christians eat apples if it was the forbidden fruit" has spawned a multiverse of imaginative speculations piled one on top of another... and everybody but me thinks it's on topic. Now I understand why "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" makes sense to some people.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Do we really need a doctorate in Mathematics to be saved?
Just curious, thx.
Originally posted by Olise
First of all define Christians.
And secondly the topic is "Forbidden Fruit", and MTs and my responses are based on the topic.
The thread generater was not speaking of Apples per say, else she would not have titled it Forbidden Fruit;
Ego is counter-productive and counter-infomative; if you do not seek to know these things you do not have to subscribe to the thread; though you chose SaberTruth for an identity. Do not critisize someone who is trying to be helpfull to their fellow.
Get your mind right and find peace within yourself toward your fellows.
Peace be with you!
Get your mind right and find peace within yourself toward your fellows.
Arrogant