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Did Kerry use a lighter to torch villages?

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posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:43 PM
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Does anyone know whether Kerry used a lighter or a match to torch villages?

Were the innocent citizens who were killed shot or knifed?

How is it possible as a naval officer that he didn't know this was legal until he returned to the U.S.

Did he make any videos of any of this torture for which he was presumably present?

Does he still claim he was present during these incidents?




posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:47 PM
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It's just Republican propagnda. Don't believe a word of it.

You know, just like comparing Max Cleland of GA to Saddam Hussein and Osama so they could push Saxby Chambliss on the population.

Or the comments they made at Paul Wellstones funeral.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:50 PM
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Nerdling, Under what circumstances would you be willing to lay down the conviction that this is all right wing propeganda?

- Was



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 12:56 PM
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Why should i have to prove that its false?

I believe the standard way of things requires them to prove it to be true before i say how its false. And as for now theres no truth, just unsubstantiated rumors.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 05:47 PM
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John Kerry said he commited atrocities. He admitted it. He did burn down villages, but he wasnt the only one. I believe this is just like nerdling said"propaganda". I heard on a national radio that the living kennedy(forgot who) just wrote a book said Bush is acting like the days of Hitler. In my opinion Bush is bad, Kerry is bad. But arnt all polliticans corupt?



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by foxtrot_uniform
John Kerry said he commited atrocities. He admitted it. He did burn down villages, but he wasnt the only one. I believe this is just like nerdling said"propaganda". I heard on a national radio that the living kennedy(forgot who) just wrote a book said Bush is acting like the days of Hitler. In my opinion Bush is bad, Kerry is bad. But arnt all polliticans corupt?


I agree. Who is the better of two crooks?



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 06:28 PM
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First of all, this doesn't belong in secret societies.

Second, The title of this thread is inflamatory and I believe the author is seeking a Kerry-bashing free-for-all, not information.

Third, could someone link me to where Kerry admitted to commiting atrocities? I'd like to see that. This would imply that we are considering a war criminal for president.

Peace,
BG



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 06:36 PM
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One man cannot take the blame for the hell that was Vietnam...most soldiers were confused, and many bad decsions were quickly made by even the most naturally innocent of people.

This is just like the thread here that claims that Kerry didn't earn his medals....Seems even a bit too far to go for the most conservative of republicans

I don't like everything Kerry has to offer, but I'd rather spend my time discussing it in a political areana than in a mud-throwing thread like this, that isn't even posted in the right forum.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 06:56 PM
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1) Bush bashing free for all threads outnumber Kerry bashing free for all threads by about 20 to 1 on this site.
2) This thread needs to be moved.
3) Didn't Kerry himself say that he did things he believes were wrong in Vietnam? Didn't he say that at those protests he was so prominent in? I'm not faulting him personally for what happened there. I'm just saying he did mention atrocities took place there and that he was part of it.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Codemaster_01
Does anyone know whether Kerry used a lighter or a match to torch villages?

Were the innocent citizens who were killed shot or knifed?

How is it possible as a naval officer that he didn't know this was legal until he returned to the U.S.

Did he make any videos of any of this torture for which he was presumably present?

Does he still claim he was present during these incidents?


What's more evil, the soldier in the field killing some civilians in the course of war or the President who from behind his desk orders an unnecessary war that kills thousands of civilians? And what's more cowardly?

I dunno, I'm just asking...



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 12:24 PM
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it is at best questionable if Kerry deserved his medals (or some of them). there
has always been cases of people getting medals who did not deserve them.
medals are not awarded from the field but from the offices far from the field.

contrary to popular belief War is not clean and gentlemanly. it is a dirty, nasty
messy business. unless you were present at the events in question you really
have no grounds to argue if they were right or wrong. here is another truth
of war, the only priorities that matter when you are in battle are that you get back alive and that your buddy gets back.



just MHO of course.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 05:39 PM
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Kerry has said he broke the Geneva convention laws of war. He has said he burned, and ordered people to burn down villages. There was also another time where he ordered is boat to fire on a band of civilians, they killed them all, and when they investigated the bodies, found no weapons at all (I also believe it was done in a free-fire zone).

I have been in combat situations, I know things move faster then you can believe, and I know mistakes can be made. Shooting a child that you see out of the corner of your eye during a fire fight, because you believed he was an enemy is one thing. Burning down villages, and mowing down a group of civilians that didn't even brandish a weapons is another.

Here's his statement...

Kerry's audio interview about war crimes.

[edit on 6-8-2004 by Darktalon]



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 05:44 PM
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Well there you have it, cut and dry.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 05:59 PM
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Yup
.

Here's some sites with some statistics on it about death tolls, war crimes and the such.

HERE
HERE



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 06:00 PM
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Cassie Clay, thanks for the comment, what is going on in Iraq with the innocent civilian population is not better than the Vietnam incidents.

For breaking the Geneva Convention, well this president has done it too; he invaded another country and took their leader in an illegal war.

For Kerry well what can I say at least he had the guts to admit this incidents publicly.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043For breaking the Geneva Convention, well this president has done it too; he invaded another country and took their leader in an illegal war.
No he hasn't, and he invaded another country and took controll with all legal rights, under the provisions given to the US under the UN resolutions that were signed in 1992. He didn't even have to ask UN permission, but he did.


For Kerry well what can I say at least he had the guts to admit this incidents publicly.
You have got to be kidding me, this man personally admits to doing these things with his own hands, and you slap him on the back for admiting it publicly? This is the guy we all hate in the movies, this guy was that d!ckhead officer that ordered his men to fire on innocient people, for the hell of it.

[edit on 6-8-2004 by Darktalon]



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by stalkingwolf
it is at best questionable if Kerry deserved his medals (or some of them). there
has always been cases of people getting medals who did not deserve them.
medals are not awarded from the field but from the offices far from the field.

just MHO of course.



it's hard to say. Alot of medals likethe purple heart are given out by ANY injury sustained during that wartime.

Theres a funny story during the vietnam era, I cant remember the soldiers name, but he went to a Vietnamese Brothel, and ask for oral pleasure, and apparently she bit him, down there. And gota purple heart for it.



[edit on 8-6-2004 by WolfofWar]



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 06:24 PM
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Darktalon,

calm down the Vietnam war has already been dissected digested and exposed but our Vietnam veterans are heroes in the eyes of this country when Kerry came back from Vietnam he opposed the war obviously he knew what was going over there first hand.

Now will you condemn the US attack in Japan with the AB.? Or the people that drop the bomb?

And for Iraq sorry but do not get mad at me, it was and illegal war.


Like I say he had the guts to come out and said it.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Darktalon,

calm down the Vietnam war has already been dissected digested and exposed but our Vietnam veterans are heroes in the eyes of this country when Kerry came back from Vietnam he opposed the war obviously he knew what was going over there first hand.

Now will you condemn the US attack in Japan with the AB.? Or the people that drop the bomb?

And for Iraq sorry but do not get mad at me, it was and illegal war.


Like I say he had the guts to come out and said it.
Sorry Marg, but that was about as illegible as one could get, but I'll try to answer what I understand you to be saying.

I am calm, I do not get pissed on this forum.

Exposed? It is widely believed the most of the military vets from vietnam did this sort of stuff, when infact that just isn't true. John Kerry admits, then tries to justify his actions because "just like 1000's of others", somehow making it ok. Opposing the war because he knew what was going on there? Well ya, cause he did it, best way to politically cover you butt is to beat your opponent to the punch, and come out with what you did wrong before they do. He knew it was wrong, and he has done nothing but try to make his actions look like the norm, which they were not, and is infact why so many Vietnam Vets are against him.

John Kerry isn't a hero in my eyes. Yes he defended this countries interest, yes he was wounded in action. He recieved a bronze star, very impressive. But he committed war crimes, ordered people to do war crimes, and in my book no matter what you've done before or after, you are a criminal when you do that stuff. A hero upholds the great standards of our armed forces at all times, and represents the men and women of this great country in a way that is befitting the station of which he serves. I guess I just have higher standards for what I call a hero. You want a hero, read about Carlos Hathcock, and many real heros of that war, that didn't commit war crimes. A real hero, John McCain, how many times have you seen or heard McCain boast about his service? And McCain endoured more then John Kerry ever dreamed about. Real hero don't boast, they don't use their actions as cookies on their resume. Real heros know what they did in their heart, they don't need to talk about it, they don't need pats on the backs, they are hero's. John Kerry is not.

Again, just cause you keep saying the war on Iraq is illegal, doesn't make it so. How is it illegal? What war crimes could Bush be covicted of, let along charged with? I gave a reason why the war isn't illegal, yet you just keep saying it is, with no proof or backing to your fictious statement. Did the US have a right to attack Iraq? Yes, we've had that right since 1997, when the 5 years to disarm and prove it expired, with Iraq not meeting those guidelines.

Condem the US bombing of Japan? What does this have to do with the topic at hand? There was nothing illegal about the bombing of Japan.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 08:28 PM
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John Kerry was involved in the messy business that war is. GW Bush could not even be bothered to show up in Alabama, was AWOL and a DESERTER.

"The documents released on Friday by the Pentagon included two faded computerized payroll sheets showing Bush was not paid during the latter part of 1972 and offer no evidence to place Bush in Alabama during the latter part of 1972."
www.reuters.com...

He wasn't paid because he wasnt there. period.

Cluck, Cluck, Cluck for Chicken George.
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