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Men and Child support. What is the answer?

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posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:26 AM
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No, a majority of non-custodial fathers do not want a 50/50 custody arrangement. However, by making a 50/50 custodial arrangement successful does'nt have to be a 6 month block but can be one month on one month off or do change every quarter. Both parents would have to live within close prox of their children's schools though not neccessarily in the same suburb. It has been rather successful among those who have achieved such an agreement.....unfortunately they are few and far between.

Will have to check with a girl friend but in Canada they are practically forced to a 50/50 arrangement. I might be wrong but I'll leave that opne to any Canadians who know their system alot better than I do.




posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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I'll have to find the fact sheet for Australia because I think it's similar here......not enough children to "feed" to the old age pensioners.......



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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I am just saying that it doesn't start there it evolves into it, it is a social phenomenon. Does that make sense?

At first she's only worried about her financial worries, then it evolves into hate. All she needs is one person who is empathetic as a support group and it evolves from there.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by CobraCommander
 


Thats because in life their is a balance, havent you seen the yin and yang? ancient concept yet true today.


I believe in balance, but that is not synonymous with counter-productivity either.

How about this. Capitalism means jobs and competition. Tame that with socialism for when jobs and industries fail. And when I say "socialism" I mean subsidized basic necessities while a worker is retrained, or becomes an artisan in their field to create the "next big thing" without having to worry about starving to death.

Instead, the "balance" we have today is, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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In russia there is a negative birthrate and the government is now hosting programs for their citizens promoting childbirth and parenthood. This happened not because Russia has this great awesome human rights program, but because they realized their birth rate was in the negative and they are trying to correct it, for the good of their own country. In the US and likely the UK they are destroying the birth rate, its going down.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:37 AM
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No, they went to Iraq first then Afghanistan! I know, I was in the Middle East when they first arrived! In fact, to be more specific, I was just up the road from Mubarak's palace at the time so I knew what was coming and already arrived in Israel when the first bomb dropped on Iraq....

Happily married couples with their children living in the same residence are not part of the CSA and the Family Court system (rolls my eyes)....

I like the compulsary voting system here in Australia.....I get to leave a blank on my voting paper if I don't like who's running for office!



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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So you do have shelters of some kind.

You said in another post and I'm quoting you here.....we should start addressing the issues instead of jumping on the political bandwagon. Wrong. Thats exactly how you get things rolling.....you get on the political bandwagon just as women did.

Action speaks louder than afew drop kick words on a public forum. Roll your sleeves up matey, get a minimum of a million non-custodial fathers on board and start writing letters. Grow some b*lls and show us all some action.


An issue wagon, sure, a party wagon, nay. Politicians don't care about your issue unless it raises funds for their campaign, plain and simple.

As far as our shelter plan goes, there are many abandoned properties around here, even an old psych center that would hold a HUGE amount of people, low-income workers, DV victims, whoever. Literally, thousands of people with a minimalist design. But we have been politically hamstrung at every turn in favor of luxury housing projects.

I have ties to other shelters and set up our local food bank network many years ago. I also nearly went to prison for refusing to go along with the local political climate at the time, just trying to establish a low-income housing complex with about 50 units. My partner did go to prison and that project died in the scandal.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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Well thats true. I have so many points to make about this.

First, the ones who people on this site and other conspiracy sites rail against as capitalists are all socialists.

You name them and I will show you a card carrying socialist.

Rockeffellers, Rothschilds it doesn't matter.

Card carrying socialists who made their money from capitalism.

If it werent for capitalism they would all be nobodies.

Fortunately this has happened before, so all I have to do to find answers is look to the past.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Far from it...Ever considered how much federal funding is spent on the Family Court System Services?...You may like to think it's all being paid for by one party or the other. This is untrue.
Reckless breeders do not come cheap to the rest of us. Looks like the breeders got it easy and yet they're still complaining?
Get over it. People who are so caught up in the system and have clearly failed as parents should no longer benefit from it. They are nothing, but parasites. They should have their children taken away and enrolled into a program that will educate and raise them to become productive members of society and also members of our armed forces. I don't see the big controversy in that.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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There's probably one other point I should make here to articulate better when I talk about "foster" kids. I kind of use it as a generic term these days. But basically I run a runaway shelter for teens. My woman runs the local children's home, which is closely affiliated of course.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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Interesting. I think the lower birthrates is happening around the globe in all Western nations. I can't say it's a bad thing, each country can only sustain so many. Personally, I think we should all close our gates to immigration from third world countries but thats another thread and a completely different topic.

Since you are Russian, how does the Family Court system work in your country?



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by laiguana
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If a family is in a shelter they have a lot more to worry about than being separated into different housing units. I mean come on...they don't even have the means to sustain themselves....but they're breeding.
What a joke. No wonder the rest of the people don't care about stupid problems like this. If you're going to breed at least put it into perspective. If you can hardly afford your own living...why the hell would you bring a child into the world. You'd have to be beyond stupid.


Most families I see in homeless shelters are there because they lost their home (and often a child or family member) in a fire.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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No, they went to Iraq first then Afghanistan! I know, I was in the Middle East when they first arrived! In fact, to be more specific, I was just up the road from Mubarak's palace at the time so I knew what was coming and already arrived in Israel when the first bomb dropped on Iraq....



Which dates are you talking about? After 9/11? They invaded Afghanistan about 2 months after, then Iraq in 03.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:46 AM
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Woah, did you just call me russian?



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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well o.k., i am not going to say that is not the case i am sure it is like that for some people, but seriously you do not think any of it boils down to the fact two people have split up and there is a hatred for one and other and inorder to score points or get one over on the other they use child support as a weapon and tell the father they cannot look after them overnight or at all? inorder for the father to have to pay full whack?

you do not think any cases boils down to scoring points and taking pleasure in watching an ex-partner struggle and have a lower standard of living than themselves or to get back at them for cheating etc etc?.

all i can say is o.k.

in my opinion that seems to me to make up almost half of all problems people experience with child support in the u.k., if they were just allowed to look after the kid aswell, they would be better off but the ex-partner has ensured they must endure the full financial burden of the CSA just by saying you not allowed to see the children or you can only have them for the day inorder to destroy the guys life.

but if he was allowed to look after them overnight for a few days it would lessen the burden. the problem is she know this. and wants to get the b/stard.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Women's shelters are always well guarded; hotels are'nt. You do need security, don't you?


You don't know jack about shelters OR security.

First off, the women's shelters around here ARE converted motels for one thing. My last contract was as a guard at a motel. Not exactly a shelter, though we did start taking vouchers from the state. Same thing happened to another local motel that is now so overbooked with welfare they don't even open the front office to regular guests anymore and took down the sign. But yes hun, motels of all kinds are well guarded in these parts.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Yeah, thats good enough reason to get rid of someone.......an employee you have personality issues with or you clash with someone who you quickly find out is smarter than you and threatens your position in the company!


Precisely. Job security. It's either that or the union.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:53 AM
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Woah, did you just call me russian?


Don't take it to heart. Yesterday she had me pegged as a Pakistani named Lucy

edit on 21-6-2011 by Ginga because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ginga

Originally posted by bluemirage5
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No, they went to Iraq first then Afghanistan! I know, I was in the Middle East when they first arrived! In fact, to be more specific, I was just up the road from Mubarak's palace at the time so I knew what was coming and already arrived in Israel when the first bomb dropped on Iraq....



Which dates are you talking about? After 9/11? They invaded Afghanistan about 2 months after, then Iraq in 03.

best off just take her word for it Ginga.

Telling her or showing her proof has never changed her mind throughout the thread.



Originally posted by Ginga


Don't take it to heart. Yesterday she had me pegged as a Pakistani named Lucy

I saw that,that was hilarious,a simple typo,but I loved your reply

edit on 21-6-2011 by gps777 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by lifeform11
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eh? i never said the child should have to move for six months. you said it would be fairer if it was 6 months each, i never even mention anything about 6 months each.


No no, I was quoting her post in response to your post mate. Cheers!



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