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Men and Child support. What is the answer?

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posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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You probably could and I don't doubt you for one second




posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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How many foster kids have I taken in? None. Why? Because 1. My way of life would be too rigid for them to adjust to nor accept. 2. The work I do takes me overseas afew times a year. How did I get away with it bringing up my own children? Because I have a large support network of extended family.

I have no idea what 10-92Js is......speak proper English!



My bad. Lingo thing. It's a child abuse arrest.

Your way of life is too rigid? I thought you just told us you were a caring easy-going mother and that you had to be because your child is disabled.

Must be nice to have such a support network. I bet a lot of men wish they had the same when they get laid off, or maybe injured on the job and can't pay child support for a few months.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:31 AM
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thats a funny story, it turns out there are no shelters for men and if you are an obligee of child support you would be denied for the most basic emergency assistance.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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Yes but if you consider your values socialist, your ideas. You let apathy guide your day, or you just think you are not doing your part and you buy in to the ideas that have blindfolded you and support them on some level. Not politically but piece of mind lets say. At the end of the day their is still a socialist party which does not have the same ideas, but similar ideas and you fall into the hands of the have nots, which are only have nots because they do not have the intelligence not to not be a have not. They point fingers and make blind accusations at people they do not know. Those are the socialists.


Yeah, I hear ya there. Almost like true socialism turned inside out. I believe in collective labor bargaining, I believe in supporting the poor and eradicating poverty. But I also believe in the ideal of good companies that the need for a labor strike would never happen. I believe in an honest days pay for an honest day's work, so no one needs foodstamps or subsidized housing.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:35 AM
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Why all of a sudden you want to bring up old posts......got a new audiance?

You said on an earlier post your ex tried to kill you.....

I said if she really wanted to kill you, she would had!

But......lo and behold you are alive and well annoying the crap out of some of us on a public message board. Happy now?



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by CobraCommander


Must be nice to have such a support network. I bet a lot of men wish they had the same when they get laid off, or maybe injured on the job and can't pay child support for a few months.


Come now CC......... Thats blasphemy. Slaves dont NEED a support network.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by CobraCommander
 


Why all of a sudden you want to bring up old posts......got a new audiance?

You said on an earlier post your ex tried to kill you.....

I said if she really wanted to kill you, she would had!

But......lo and behold you are alive and well annoying the crap out of some of us on a public message board. Happy now?


You are as dense as a lead brick. I can't believe you actually stand by that statement. I guess this guy didn't really intend to kill this little girl either. I mean, after all, if he really wanted to he would have right?

www.myfox8.com...



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by gps777
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We are on page 77 now and if you click your "posts in thread" you have taken up 11 pages all by yourself of that 76,that`d be fine if it wasn`t full of your own unsubstantiated opionated hateful dribble and when you are shown to be WRONG you simply ignore it and move on with more of the same.

Even to the extent of showing no remorse toward your own comments in regards to CobraCommander.

Below is what you have displayed so much within this thread.If someone has followed and read the thread and her responses to peoples posts it will become clearer on what I`m seeing.

How to spot a psychopath


Item 1 Glibness/superficial charm

**Item 2 Grandiose sense of self-worth**

Item 3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom

Item 4 Pathological lying

**Item 5 Cunning/manipulative**

**Item 6 Lack of remorse or guilt**

Item 7 Shallow affect

**Item 8 Callous/lack of empathy**

Item 9 Parasitic lifestyle

**Item 10 Poor behavioural controls**

Item 14 Impulsivity

Item 15 Irresponsibility

**Item 16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions**

Item 20 Criminal versatility

Emphisis mine
I removed some because it would be impossible for me to know,though they could belong left in the list.

Item 20 I left in because bluemirage5 has said that "we all know that everyone in business cooks the books" and has said she is a businesswoman herself and in the past has said she had run her own business,so thats self admitted criminal actions.

I know I have never done that,there is no need when you have an already sucessful bussiness,not that I would if it was unsuccessful.I hope the Gov takes a good hard look at your books.

item 9 I left in because bluemirage has said men are providers and women are gatherers and advocates for this current system to stay and have greater control which allows women to gather.Which often leaves the father bearly able to survive and keep a job while keeping up with what the CS system deems he should.This can all be done to him through no fault of his own within the relationship he had with the mother.Some men commit suicide from being bashed continually for no reason and be falsely accussed just by the word of the mother and/ or stop him from having contact with his own child/ren,yet all you can come up with is "cowards!"

You should be tested to see whether you are a fit parent to have custody,because I would fear for my children that had a custodial person that has displayed what you have.

You and I have had words in other threads where you show no remorse toward your own boys even when they are sick.No time for that in your words.Your self worth of ruling with an iron fist shows how weak and heartless you are.

You have even said that some men are lucky on this thread that you dont have the authority to kill them.

So maybe I`m wrong in telling you that you should have a good look in the mirror,you need professional help imo that I`m not qualified to help you with.Other than point to the warning signs in the hope that you seek help.

As its been shown through studies on this thread it would be in the best interest of the children to be in the custody of the father rather than in favour of the mother as it is today.But you keep attacking men.

11 pages out of 77 is all you and your biased opinions and yet you can still call others trolls.

Simply delusional with the warning signs of a psychopath.
edit on 20-6-2011 by gps777 because: 76 to 77 as it skip while typing


Bump for posterity.

This goes for ANYONE that has horse blinds on.....



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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OK off topic, but you do realize that those people who benefit from the unions are like maybe your parents age right? Not that that matters but it does. When you look at the overall economy you should notice that the ones in the unions have jobs, thats how you know our country is being run over by socialism.

Think of it this way, you might be in a labor union, fine, no judgement from me.

However, when you are union you are influenced how to vote, and who to vote for and not vote for.
You are told to strike and when to go back to work.
You make a better then average wage and even as much as you try, you can not get fired.

It is not american, period.

The ideas this country was founded on were not about being selfish but being self reliant. Think about how many young people who are hurting now, do the unions care? NO

Do this...Look up Bolshevik and tell us where we are today according to that.

Go Obama!!!! Run this country into the ground!!! Godspeed!



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by CobraCommander
 


thats a funny story, it turns out there are no shelters for men and if you are an obligee of child support you would be denied for the most basic emergency assistance.


Got no argument from me there. I am actually working trying to establish the first battered men's shelter in my county, and one of only less than a handful nationwide.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by CobraCommander


Must be nice to have such a support network. I bet a lot of men wish they had the same when they get laid off, or maybe injured on the job and can't pay child support for a few months.


Come now CC......... Thats blasphemy. Slaves dont NEED a support network.


Socialism for women. Slave labor and military conscription for men.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by CobraCommander

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by CobraCommander
 


Why all of a sudden you want to bring up old posts......got a new audiance?

You said on an earlier post your ex tried to kill you.....

I said if she really wanted to kill you, she would had!

But......lo and behold you are alive and well annoying the crap out of some of us on a public message board. Happy now?


You are as dense as a lead brick. I can't believe you actually stand by that statement. I guess this guy didn't really intend to kill this little girl either. I mean, after all, if he really wanted to he would have right?

www.myfox8.com...



Another mother taking in a psychopath. I am going to look for the statistic on that. There has to be one.........



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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I think the best solution is that the child be taken away from both parents. Both parents should be sterilized and fined, if they fail they should be incarcerated. The child will be raised by foster care and will later serve in the armed forces. It's the only solution actually...

People need to start thinking about the consequences and our system as it is now doesn't allow it.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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"The data availability is disappointing," said UNLV assistant sociology professor Andrew Spivak, an expert in examining FBI Uniform Crime Reports and Supplemental Homicide Reports. He pointed out the documents list 17 categories for a homicide victim's relationship to the killer, and "mother's boyfriend" isn't one of them. They would fall under the broad category of "acquaintance," which happens to account for 38 percent of solved homicides from 2009, the most of any subset.



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posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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The reason why there are no men's shelters is because men are not organised like us women! It has nothing to do with the system.

Now.....lets assume men's shelters do exist.....do you think they would be full or virtually empty? There is now growing support from BOTH men and women for more funding in to prostate cancer. They needed us girls on board because of the work we did for breast and cervical cancer and the men were a wee bit disorganised. We call it blue ribbon day here in Australia. Now......wait for this.....do you think a majority of the men are jumping in to a GP for regular prostate cancer tests and check ups? Nooooooooooo! They wait until it's almost too late! Now whose fault is that? Not the socialists or capitalists, not the ex wives, not the child support agencies and Family Courts........so do you think they'll have any use for men's shelters?



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
Because women generally are (though not in all cases) the better carer.

Just one more biased gender statement.Of the list of so many by you.


Are you aware that at one time in past history it was always the men that got custody?

You have said that your of the older type generation,your dad is in his 90`s

Firstly how far back are you going in history? and please show a source that makes you believe that it was "always".

Secondly because you say your of an older generation are you saying that society was worse than it is today when you were a younger girl/woman?

You know back when you could leave your house or car wide open with no fear of robbery etc,back when marriages weren`t thrown away at the drop of a hat.Back when younger people had a lot more respect for their elders.Back when the elderly didn`t have their houses broken into because they are seen as an easy target and many of them are bashed.
Back when the younger weren`t pierced and tatooed and people could ride public transport without the fear of being bashed or robbed,etc etc etc............

What a wonderful thing it was to bring in all these new benifets to society that we have today.Thats progress for ya.

And as far as your military solution/opinion,not sure if you saw the news just after (couple of days) the bombs stopped raining down on Afganastan after 9-11, they reported that the womens group/movment were on the ground freeing/helping the Afgan women.How wonderful of the west,they to should have a society like ours.One extreme to the other.

No its not about control is it, or order out of chaos.Just sign them up to so they can be a real man and do what the government tells them what a real man is.

I`ve breifly known a lady who works 3 jobs and supports their whole family,her husband has come down with a serious illness,she didn`t complain other than say to me she is tired,she loves her husband and her family,if they were seperated I guess he`d be another dead beat in society.

Should he be thrown in jail or go to boot camp because they are still together and not pulling his weight?.Some people also find it hard to get jobs in their later stages in life.Some get sacked due to their poor performance while trying to deal with losing their families and trying to support themselves while keeping up with the CS payments.Then get bashed with the dead beat label.

Through my business I got to know a good guy who ran his own business (trucking) and also got to know his wife,she wouldn`t work or lift a finger around the house,she got a maid to do all of that,I got a call from the guy and could hear the distraught tone in his voice saying that he has to sell his business because the wife is taking half of it,because she took the kids and has shacked up with the maid and started a lesbian relationship with her.I never heard from him again.

In all my years I`ve yet to meet these dead beat dads and I`ve mostly worked in the minning industry(male oriented).I believe there out there I just haven`t met any,that you seem to think are every where.Dead beat mums? now thats different.



Women finally got organised and worked hard for many years to change that system, by succeeding she first had to change legislation to allow women to vote.

You love to leave out that men also fought for womans rights.Not that I`m not surprised in the least by any of your comments.They are just typical of you and those that hate males. Yeah you did it all by yourself........


In 1909 the Men's League for Women's Suffrage published a list of prominent men in favour of women's suffrage. This included 83 former government ministers, 49 church leaders, 24 high-ranking army and navy officers, 86 academics and the writers E. M. Forster, Thomas Hardy, H. G. Wells, John Masefield and Arthur Pinero. By 1910 it had ten branches in Britain.

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...



It's like I said alot earlier; men are not well organised

Its more that men dont fight for mens rights because they see that as kinda selfish.They should though for the benifet of society in general.


As for the lone father's organisations, they too are making strides however for every step forward they make, sections of their "community" of militant style rebels are taking these organisations 5 steps back by breaking the law.

This I can somewhat agree with,myself I`ve been out of the system for years,but I remember a loony bunch that called themselves "The Black *something" and would gather out the front of a mothers/wifes home with loud speakers who had taken their children and shacked up with someone else etc and try and shame them,although I can sympathize with their plight I totally disagree with their methods.Though they were often shown on TV as what a disgrunted dad/husband is.Just to program the masses.

*Sends salute out to sonnny1 and CC for dealing with the rest of her tripe.
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posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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I used to do work with a non profit that was in support of fathers who want to have an honest shot at raising their own kids, they are gone now, there is no support for legitimate needs. The system has become so slanted that the only way it can change is by actually breaking and thats pretty pathetic if you ask me.

But that sounds like a good thing and I wish you the best of luck! Try to have a support system from the community as opposed to local gov organizations, it might not make you super successful but at least it will keep your business afloat during tough times.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:51 AM
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Mate.....both men and women are capable of just about anything.....including killing and murder.



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by laiguana
I think the best solution is that the child be taken away from both parents. Both parents should be sterilized and fined, if they fail they should be incarcerated. The child will be raised by foster care and will later serve in the armed forces. It's the only solution actually...

People need to start thinking about the consequences and our system as it is now doesn't allow it.



Brilliant!!!!

PolPot,Adolf Hitler,and a few Communist Leaders would agree wholeheartedly.......



posted on Jun, 21 2011 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by CobraCommander
 


OK off topic, but you do realize that those people who benefit from the unions are like maybe your parents age right? Not that that matters but it does. When you look at the overall economy you should notice that the ones in the unions have jobs, thats how you know our country is being run over by socialism.

Think of it this way, you might be in a labor union, fine, no judgement from me.

However, when you are union you are influenced how to vote, and who to vote for and not vote for.
You are told to strike and when to go back to work.
You make a better then average wage and even as much as you try, you can not get fired.

It is not american, period.

The ideas this country was founded on were not about being selfish but being self reliant. Think about how many young people who are hurting now, do the unions care? NO

Do this...Look up Bolshevik and tell us where we are today according to that.

Go Obama!!!! Run this country into the ground!!! Godspeed!



It also protects you from being fired for things you didn't do, or for not playing office politics and such. Union don't mean lazy. And the heydey of the American economy was when the unions were at their peak. Today, unions are half rip off for one thing. And for another, they are the last of the pilgrims in an uholy land.

Take teacher's unions for example. Probably the last union out there with any sort of clout. People hate on teacher's today because the teachers have a good rate of pay, full benefits, and a great vacation time. But if you really think about it, even just 15 years ago, being a teacher was considered a mediocre job that really didn't pay all that well. So what has changed. Have teachers suddenly gotten a better break? No. Their union has shielded them from what has happened in the would outside of the union. The problem is not that teachers are being paid more, but that the rest of us are being paid less, and for more work.

Heck, even look at medical costs. 20 years ago I used to pay $16 a week from medical AND dental. Today? You couldn't touch a plan for less than $400 a month. Is that the fault of unions? Certainly not. But union people have been protected from that gut punch. And since everyone else has had to suck it up, it's just easier to be a playa hater, and hate on the teachers for how good they have it, rather than what really went wrong. Teachers are doing as good as they ever have. A mediocre income that will support a white-bread life in the suburbs on a quarter-acre plot in a split-ranch, with a nearly new and a well-used car in the driveway.



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