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Men and Child support. What is the answer?

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
I have two kids doing HSC this year.....the high school certificate. Without it, they don't go to university next year.


They can't do it anywhere else?

In any case, all of this discussion is really a distraction from the primary point which is this...

"My Body, My Choice, Our Responsibility" makes no sense. Anyone who thinks the government should force someone else to pay for the results of their own unilateral choices (under threat of jail) is the lowest of the low.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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This the most crucial year of high school, no parent takes their kid out of the final year of high school and move them elsewhere.....on top of that they are doing specialized subjects that they will take on to university.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
This the most crucial year of high school, no parent takes their kid out of the final year of high school and move them elsewhere.....on top of that they are doing specialized subjects that they will take on to university.


Never in the history of the world have more people confused the line between necissity and luxury... Not saying AT ALL that you're doing the wrong thing, just recognize that it is a choice.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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I think these shared agreements here in Australia take up about 10% of separated couples. They are achievable if both parents have a good mediator and communication is open. To make it work would mean both parents live nearby to eachother or near the schools. This should be the ultimate goal.

It's when a marriage breakdown becomes extremely messy......it could take years to recover.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Would you take your children out of the last year of their schooling life and move them to another just to save afew $$$ ? No parent in their right mind does this. I would'nt. It's not about luxury.....it's about doing whats right for the child's education.

It's different if they were in primary school or 1st/2nd year high school.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
In Sydney alone, the average 2 bedroom apartment is in fact $450.00. Thats within a 30km radias of the city.


That is crazy cheap.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Would you take your children out of the last year of their schooling life and move them to another just to save afew $$$ ? No parent in their right mind does this. I would'nt.

It's different if they were in primary school or 1st/2nd year high school.


I don't think my children's success depends upon any particular location, school etc. etc.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Where are you? Uptown Manhatten? Even Sydney is more expensive than there.

You want to live in the city metro area.....guess what......rent starts from $600 per week for a 1 bedroom!



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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See.....my children are in their FINAL year of high school..........HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO !!!

Next year is UNIVERSITY !!!

Have'nt you ever heard of a kid going to University coming from a single parent home? All 3 of mine are going.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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Well I hate to break the news to you but the ACTUAL cost per child per week based on your own figures is
$196 per week and only $98 for one child (or less because you quoted multiple school fees, uniforms and shoes)
The rest is your own part of the expenses that the father shouldn't have to pay...

Here is the breakdown.....

A one bedroom apartment on the North Shore is $350 per week. That is your portion of the accomodation costs.
The extra $100 is for the childs portion. If you have 2 kids sharing that room that is now $50 per child of which the father pays HALF. = $25 per child for accomodation.

By your own figures for groceries ....$200 per 5 people is $40 a week as I said in my own post!
So now we have one child = $65 per week for food and accomodation.....

Now adding up all your expenses mentioned in your post and then dividing it for the fathers %50.....
= $58 per week.

So this is what the childrens cost of living is in your own example....
$50 per week rent for 2 children
$80 per week groceries for 2 children
$58 per week school fees, uniforms, shoes, electricity, phone, internet

$196 per week for 2 children for all their living expenses....
x 4
= $784 per month.

So at $1,500 a month child support (the figure you mentioned) based on both your sets of figures, there is $700 a MONTH that is being overpaid.




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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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I have 3 teenage children....actually they're giants because the youngest is 6'4 and the eldest is 6'8. My food bill alone is $200.00 one week and $280.00 when I do a top up every other week.

and I live in a 4 bdm house $480.00 per week

lucky I did'nt add my eldest boy's ongoing medical bills and therapy, huh! Want those? $160.00 per week in speech therapy and $360.00 per month to specialist. The average cost of dental bills for all 3 children is approx $400-$700.00 per year depending on any extra work.

Clothing for all 3 excluding school uniforms; I spend approx $500.00 per child per year excluding school shoes, soccer boots and trainers.

I based $1500.00 on 3 teenage children. For me thats a fair rate knowing my circumstances don't you think?



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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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Well the figures that you originally disputed from my post that started this convo between us, were for 2 kids under the age of 13.
So but figures still stand based on 2 kids and you can pick any area of Sydney and get the price of one bedroom unit and it will work out the same. In most areas an extra bedroom costs just $50 extra a week. That's how rent is calculated.
And if your big boys are consuming only $40 a week each according to your own figures, my figure of $30 was being generous for a littly of 5 - 9 then.

Anyway, the figures are there for all to see. So let others make up their minds.
Gee. Really clever to edit your post and add all the other stuff to bring it up to the amount you want.

Look it doesn' t really matter anyway. Your childs basic living needs are not &1,500 a month
The rest are optional.
If your ex has remarried and has started another family he has to supply these things for his own kids that are living with him.
And if the man pays for most of both yours and his kids living expenses and still having a life of his own then he's doing well. IMO.
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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No, I used them as an example....I never used my own.....read the original post carefully



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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Rent here in Sydney is worked out by value of the property and area, not how many bedrooms. This is Australia and we do things differently here.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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I don't think you understand the concept that whether you have or kids or not, you still need your own accomodation hence the finding of the price of a one bedroom unit in your own area.
I looked on Domain and a one bedroom apartment on the North Shore is $350.
That is YOUR SHARE of the accomodation/rent that your ex shouldn't have to pay.......

Extra bedrooms on top of a typical one bedroom apartment goes up in increments depending on how many extra bedrooms the place has.....it typically is $50 in most areas but is $100 in yours.
So whatever amount rent you pay, minus your portion of $350 and find what is left.
Then HALVE IT to work out the 50% that the father should pay for his childs portion of the rent.
It isn't rocket science. ..



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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There are no one bedroom apartments in my area. The Northshore is a mighty big place my friend. Secondly, I'm not Mexican by bringing up 3 teens in a matchbox! We don't do things like that here....we are AUSTRALIAN, not Mexican, not hispanic, not Asian! Got it?

I obviously understand better than you how to bring up children because I'm successful at it. My kids are all off to University next year to earn a degree.........because I put their EDUCATION ahead of all other matter. And yours?
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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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Look you don't need to get so defensive. You started all this by disputing a post of mine where I've proven in a few follow up posts now of how I came to the figures.
You were the one who put your own kids expenses up. I never asked you to.
In all my posts I've spoken GENERALLY. Just figures and facts about childrens basic living costs. So no one or child in particular.

And I have no idea of what the Mexican and Hispanic stuff is all about. You aleady know I'm from Australia by your first response to me and also I've told you that I too live in Sydney.
Nice try at deflection but it's not working.
So I'll just skippity doo dah along and wish you a great weekend.
Its nice and sunny here in Sydney this morning so lets go out and enjoy it.
Byee.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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this was not a question that needed to be asked 60 years ago to any significant degree- welcome to the brave new world the leftists and liberals brought you, such "freedom"


Traitors have been in our establishments for decades,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,




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