Men and Child support. What is the answer?

reply to post by sonnny1


No it isn't a lie. Women tend to get custody at first, and I already explained why.

If you continue to pursue the case after that, men get custody in those cases 70% of the time. Numerous judicial studies have been done on this subject in several jurisdictions in the Western countries.

90% of the time women get custody at the beginning because the children are left in the custody of the woman, or she can prove she is the primary care giver.

Most cases men do NOT pursue furthering their custody. They seek to arrange their visitation, or their partial custody, or focus on their payments. That most men are not pursuing custody isn't an argument showing women are out to get you.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

It won't stand up in court, because child support isn't about YOU and HER. It is about your child, who is a human being in and of themselves.

Its been tried before. Its lost before. Based on that one minor detail.

Sorry,its about the money.The system doesnt care about the child. The system 9 out of 10 awards custody to the mother,because fathers make more money. The system uses the "excuse" that mothers are better at raising kids. Its about the COURTS AND THE STATES,making money,off children.

70% of men who pursue custody get it. Most men never pursue it, and therefore most of the horror stories you hear are from people who never even went through the motions to do it.

SEVENTY PERCENT.

The "excuse" is because most of the time the children are LEFT with the Mother upon relationship dissolution, proving who the parent with the most child care responsibility is. This is noted, and is used as a basis on which to make decisions.

If you don't understand what is happening, and why, you can't change it.

Cite your source. And then tell me about all the men who never bothered since they were being flamed from the start.

reply to post by Aeons

It is the CHILDREN who have pursued support in most of these cases.

And the children who have killed themselves because Mommy wanted what she wanted and didnt care a fook all about what was actually good for a child...

Sperm Bank

reply to post by Aeons


Sorry,but its a lie. Ive stated facts.You have stated opinion.

Heres more........

LAGGING BEHIND THE TIMES: PARENTHOOD, CUSTODY, AND GENDER BIAS IN THE FAMILY COURT

Very good read,and shall I dare say speaks volumes for what a MAN has to face.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by CobraCommander

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

Yep. They've lost on that exact point several times now. If the donor can have a name put to them, a child can go for support.

edit on 2011/6/3 by Aeons because: (no reason given)

Thank you. Now we really get you.

A woman pumps herself with an anonymous spermcicle and it's STILL the man's fault.

Game set and match hotpants.

It is the CHILDREN who have pursued support in most of these cases.

It is the CHILDREN who have pursued support in most of these cases

??????no no no most kids are to young to even think like that.when thay reach 12 I belive thay can choose what parent thay want to live with but still thay cant decide money matters

Originally posted by CobraCommander
reply to post by Aeons

 

It is the CHILDREN who have pursued support in most of these cases.

And the children who have killed themselves because Mommy wanted what she wanted and didnt care a fook all about what was actually good for a child...

Sperm Bank

What on Earth does this have to do with your silly idea about how you can cut your children out legally before they are conceived?

Are you looking for me to defend bad people based on their anatomy? I'll leave that one up to you.

Your bad solutions still don't work. Even if someone's Mommy was a meany.

reply to post by slayerfan


In cases where the Father is a Sperm Donor, the cases that have gone to court for support have been brought by their children.

Usually these children aren't looking to go live with the person they never met.

Originally posted by CaDreamer

Originally posted by CobraCommander

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

Yep. They've lost on that exact point several times now. If the donor can have a name put to them, a child can go for support.

edit on 2011/6/3 by Aeons because: (no reason given)

Thank you. Now we really get you.

A woman pumps herself with an anonymous spermcicle and it's STILL the man's fault.

Game set and match hotpants.

yeah its stupid, a donor by definition is not a father and therefore has no children. just as it is with surrogacy biology is and should be irrelevant in those cases.

Sadly, I must concede the point to Aeons, there have in fact been cases where a sperm donor was sued, and lost. Just goes to show how befouled this system is by the feminist agenda. The same could be said whereas 13, 15 year old boys are ordered to pay support to women who raped them. Convicted rapists mind you. Felonious convicted rapists collecting child support from male teen boys.

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

NOT COOL...............
Thats in violation of TOS..............

I suggest you take it down.

edit on 3-6-2011 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)

Was it?

I was just trying to articulate my confusion over her ludicrous rants. That post really made no sense to me.

reply to post by sonnny1


I am not giving you my opinion. You don't understand your statistics.

reply to post by CobraCommander


By the feminist agenda?

Children wanting to know their father, even when their mother didn't, is a feminist agenda?

I would think that would be a NATURAL agenda.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by CobraCommander
reply to post by Aeons

 

It is the CHILDREN who have pursued support in most of these cases.

And the children who have killed themselves because Mommy wanted what she wanted and didnt care a fook all about what was actually good for a child...

Sperm Bank

What on Earth does this have to do with your silly idea about how you can cut your children out legally before they are conceived?

Are you looking for me to defend bad people based on their anatomy? I'll leave that one up to you.

Your bad solutions still don't work. Even if someone's Mommy was a meany.

I dont even understand your response. Are you drunk?

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

By the feminist agenda?

Children wanting to know their father, even when their mother didn't, is a feminist agenda?

I would think that would be a NATURAL agenda.

It is none of that child's business. The father signed a confidentiality CONTRACT. The child can blame the mother for not being able to have a real relationship, not the donor.

EDIT to add:

It is the feminist agenda to even consider having children in that manner.


EDIT 2: Nothing natural about artificial insemination.

Originally posted by CobraCommander

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by CobraCommander
reply to post by Aeons

 

It is the CHILDREN who have pursued support in most of these cases.

And the children who have killed themselves because Mommy wanted what she wanted and didnt care a fook all about what was actually good for a child...

Sperm Bank

What on Earth does this have to do with your silly idea about how you can cut your children out legally before they are conceived?

Are you looking for me to defend bad people based on their anatomy? I'll leave that one up to you.

Your bad solutions still don't work. Even if someone's Mommy was a meany.

I dont even understand your response. Are you drunk?

Oh dear God.

You quoted my response to your question about anonymous sperm donors. You, as a response to it posted a link to a story about a kid committing suicide. Your story doesn't make sense in response to me giving you information that the law is consistent about why your agreement about not supporting any future children you have won't stand up in court.

Though it does make sense if you are trying to see if I'll defend a woman merely based on her being a woman.

How much clearer can I be - your link was non-contextual. Intended as most of your stuff is, just to be evocative.

Originally posted by CobraCommander

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

By the feminist agenda?

Children wanting to know their father, even when their mother didn't, is a feminist agenda?

I would think that would be a NATURAL agenda.

It is none of that child's business. The father signed a confidentiality CONTRACT. The child can blame the mother for not being able to have a real relationship, not the donor.

EDIT to add:

It is the feminist agenda to even consider having children in that manner.

edit on 3-6-2011 by CobraCommander because: (no reason given)

EDIT 2: Nothing natural about artificial insemination.

edit on 3-6-2011 by CobraCommander because: (no reason given)

It is a feminist agenda for guys to go spank one out at the sperm bank with porn mags?

Wow.

reply to post by CobraCommander


Seriously unreal.... WTF kind of crap is that? It's like the twilight zone or something....

reply to post by Aeons


I dont understand ? I gave you facts,and I am a statistic!!!! For every father who gets their children,there's 9 that don't? How hard is it for you to understand? I fought and won!!! Not because you say that's how it is,but because I was in the trenches,and payed the courts their 30 pieces of silver!!! You know NOTHING about the system,and know nothing about fatherhood !!! Show me where fathers are getting their kids in droves,and I will gladly apologize. If not,quit posting.

i've seen some REALLY REALLY nasty events in reference to child support, where the men were truly loved their kids but were blocked, then CS'd by the mothers. I usually am picky of the friends i have and we all seem to have the same core values when it comes to life, love and loved ones.
They do what they can(afford) to enjoy life, they truly love/loved the people they were with and the do what's possible to take care of loved ones. but in 3 cases, these guys got railed....as in, sit on this railroad log and smile, railed, in respect to children and child support.

one buddy, upon finding out his wife was a habitual cheater(sadly the kids talked about "the nice man mommy played with while daddy was at work") he filed/payed for custody/divorce, citing him being the breadwinner and the injured party. not only did he not get what was requested, when he offered a certain amount he'd pay (with no court involvement) she went for the jugular and scoffed at his offer which was very certainly enough for the monthly expenses of 2 kids the courts ripped him a new one, but split custody(when he had the kids he didnt pay anything/vice versa).
well when his visitation came that's when things would get ugly, i literally remember one instance where he drove out of state to get the kids, and he was to meet me at a car show(his son loves modded cars). i bought all the tickets ahead of time and when he got off the highway and had only been at the show for 30min she called, threatening to file kidnapping charges if he didnt return them RIGHT NOW. he ended up party to a mediation between him/the ex and the SC police when he got there....NASTY. the broad actually called the cops.

But back on topic. the whole issue of child support needs to be totally overhauled, at the least. Some PEOPLE (i had to stop from pointing at women) use their children as a weapon against a failed relationship and the courts lean more heavily in one direction rather than actually thinking thru the individual circumstance before them, which is unfair.

that's one thing i worry about as a newly wed, in the event things dont work out with me and mine...and we happen to have kids at that point, she BETTER not use the kids as a weapon. that would hurt and piss me the F@#$ off, and grossly unfair to the kids.

why cant it just be joint custady from the start??it was for me becouse i demanded it and threatend it to go to court, but it has worked out good for many many years if the dad is a dead beat dad or drug adict ore what ever prove him rong call cps, I know guys ho were so beat down by the system and did not have the money to fight in court for custady when the women dosant need mony the freind of the court always has thare back it took the woman to go to prison for drugs or some stupid crap and the kids end up so much happier with the dad ive seen it more than once and I live in a small town, how can the freind of the court be so cold??

reply to post by Aeons

It is a feminist agenda for guys to go spank one out at the sperm bank with porn mags? Wow.

Yes, it is.