Biker activists shut down Westboro Baptists in Joplin, Missouri

reply to post by kennylee


You are a hundred percent correct anytime a biker is mentioned people forget that, I was only talking about the origins of some of the biggest. For example The Warlocks where formed by a group of Vietnam Vets in the 60s that sort of thing. Trust me I am not trying to rag on them at all, in fact down here a group of veteran's get together every year to make a huge rally in Austin and push up through Dallas for Toy's for tots so I hear you on that.

Don't let your emotions from another poster tag me with ignorance come on now I was backing your play.

reply to post by Golithion

Thanks for the clarification. All the bikers I ride with and are around, are normal everyday people who are from all walks of life, doctors, lawyers, cashiers, nurses, mechanics, veterans, truckers, construction workers, steelworkers, firemen, policemen, teachers, and on and on. The Patriot Guard Riders are made up of all these people also.

I just read your edit and you are right. I apologize for ranting on you when I was totally pissed at another posters ignorance. My bad my friend. I just get really irritated when someone talks about my family and they have no clue what the hell they are talking about. And yes, bikers are my family and my family are bikers. Peace....

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
as for the bikers in the video the thread OP has posted, they remind me of rednecks bikers

Well... that's one BIG jump away from 1%rs, I'll give you that.

Up here in Canada, we bikers (yes, I sold my ride, but I still consider myself one of them) honour our soldiers too.

Here's the 2010 Highway of Heroes ride:

[Warning - scary loud motorcycles with nasty looking rednecks riding them]



The next one will be happening shortly and I wish I had my Harley so i could join them But I don't, so I'll just appreciate that they are doing this. That's just one ride too. In fact, they ride for all kinds of reasons, those nasty rednecks, raising money to help lots of good causes.

Speaking of good causes, I think those hog riding rednecks just wanted to show their support for the families that lost so much and that's mainly why they were there... not just to chase off the WBC.

If caring about the welfare of our soldiers makes me a redneck, then I'm a redneck too and I can't wait 'til I get my face in the wind again.

I have a deep respect for bikers. I work as a Veterinary Tech now, but was a Medic in the first gulf war.

Quick story, Ther used o be an Ice House here in town, on a fairly busy main street. It was a biker bar. I drove a Jeep at the time . My GF and I had dinner and were driving by, she had always wanted to check it out but not alone and she felt safe with me. We were businuss casual, not jeans ant t-shirts. We were a little overdressed for the place but went to check it out. As soon as we walked in, 1 everybody looked,2 we were IMMEDIATLY given a place to sit at the bar. We were asked more questions than we could answer when it happened. Someone left (tipsy) and laid his bike down on the road. Everybody heard it and went to see (this is a 6 lane hiway) I looked at my GF and said get my bag STAT (I always carry the thing)I told the bartender to call 911 and went to see what I could do. Stopped the bleeding with a few compress bandages and waited with him in the middle of the road. Long story short, he pulled through and I suddenly had a bar full of friends that I had never met. Also never paid for a drink again when I went back.

Respect from someone you don't know is a great feeling.

Originally posted by kennylee
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

Only one FACT I'm sure of from your above post. You my friend dont know a damn thing about bikers. There are hundreds of bikers that are veterans and there are hundreds of veterans that are in the Patriot Guard Riders, along with people from all walks of life. And I know this because I have been a biker and been around these people for the last 50 years. Your facts are not facts at all. Why dont you talk about something you know something about, which apparently has nothing to do with bikers..

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edit on 5/31/11 by kennylee because: (no reason given)

I guess fox news will feature the Patriot Guard Riders as the Patriots and the anti i hate everything church as the pinheads then just so you know, everyone has a right to protest even the Westboro Baptists have a right to protest even if it sounds hateful, protesting its a american given right, i thought ATS users knew this?

But i guess i was wrong, even if the Westboro Baptists do protest so what of it? are the Patriot Guard Riders police? the sean hannity special forces from fox news? if not you should know as an american, everyone has a right to protest, thats why its called Freedom of speech isnt it?

Your facts are not facts at all

Oh really so your saying its not true that are no homeless veterans? your forgetting america is nation to 300 Million people.


Tell me then, what would have the fallen troops say if they were to see what the bikers are doing to protesters? blocking them from protesting, if you dont like what they are protesting, counter protest, if not then, use peaceful means, but riding on bikes, blocking them? thats not very civilized.

reply to post by v1rtu0s0



Good.
The protests of funerals and such where people have lost loved ones, tho protected by the freedoms men and woman have died for, is a sick display of lack of concern and sympathy for those in mourning as well as the past ones memory.
I had a family member who was a soldier, 24 years old, volunteered 2 tours for operation endurance freedom, and he died of bone cancer leaving a wife and child behind.
And WBBC sent word they would be protesting for reasons unknown, but not only were our local law enforcement clearly not going to play referee but the funeral procession was escorted by volunteer bikers who just showed up the day of the service.
They also stood a 25ft perimeter around the family and friends at the cemetary, each holding a misc flag of tribute.
The service these men (most ex-vets themselves) do for others is a priceless gift.
This particular group travels all over the nation and is likely the same or some of the same.
The 2 groups are The Patriot Guard and The Fallen Veterans of America I believe is the name.
Thank you to the people in this world who selflessly care for their fellow beings.

reply to post by masqua

I dont mind bikers at all mate, but i dont like it when bikers like in the video.

When bikers are blocking someones given right to protest? if they dont like what they are protesting, well have a counter protest isnt that simple? but riding on bikes countering them by blocking them the protesters.

I wonder where do we live? is this still WWII? or do we live in a modern supposed age where someone uses a brain.


I dont mind you bikers honoring our troops by riding on the highway, thats fine, but blocking protesting groups rights to protest isnt something you should be proud of, bikers in that thread OP aren't the police.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


They usually dont do that.
This was a special circumstance, just think a whole city of people who have lost so much, plus a group of protesters=violence in a bad way. Those bikers may have actually saved lives....
sounds like they did it better than most police could have also...no random acts of barbaric force on the elderly, kids or the unarmed.

reply to post by TheSilverGate


If there was or that was a request by the city to call them or atleast some groups that wanted them there, i wont have a problem with.

Originally posted by budski

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Bixxi3
I think this is horrible. What about there right to free speech?

What about the biker's free speech? Their right to freedom of assembly? It's easy to "defend" the Constitution if you don't know what it stands for.

Note that the westboro "protest" was legal, zoned, and approved - they acted within the law.

Did the bikers?
No.

Just because our evil corrupt government is to chicken to take on these ***clowns does not make it right. You should never be allowed to protest anyones death at a funeral let alone someone who has served this nation.

Im ashamed that this scum bag group calls themselves Baptist because they are not even remotely close to being Baptist, Satanist are not this rude!!!

I wish the bikers would have gave them a beat down and sent every one of them to the hospital so maybe they could think long and hard about witch God they really think they are going to see when they finally parish.

Expect to see Shirley Phelps all over the media with lawsuits over this... suing for physical threats, intent to harm, stopping their right to law abiding free speech, blah blah blah.

*yawn*

Probably the best thing I read today They want to pull the freedom of speech card and yadda yadda yadda, your freedom of speech is limited when the thing you bring up can incite violence or cause harm. I hope people make a stand against this group and groups like it.

Don't get me wrong freedom of speech is a love of mine and no doubt something that should belong to everyone... But can we agree that a bunch of self richeous bible thumpers spreading nothing but hate to the world do not need to be heard. I know this topic is a slippery slope and any time somebody has something to say about these Westboro idiots shutting the hell up another person has to argue with "if you take away their free speech where does it end? Blah blah blah...." If these clowns want to say what they believe,go for it there are plenty of outlets for your voice to be heard. But can we all agree that these tasteless attacks that are simply looking for publicity are totally out of line.

Just because you have freedom to say what you want does not mean you have the right to make a scene and spread hate. They can't do this stuff on their own because nobody would pay attention so they wait and prey upon deaths and misfortunes of others. I do not like to wish ill upon people, but I hope somebody takes out an entire clan of these clowns so I can go yell and scream at their funerals...I wonder how their families would feel about that?

This reminds me of something my dad always talks about to some of his friends on ANZAC Day here in Australia. A bunch of guys from the Vietnam Veterans MC found out that a news reader here had been talking about how he was a Vietnam Veteran, and an SASR veteran at that, and he would continually go on about it while he was reading the news.

Turns out the guy was full of sh*t, and the Darwin chapter of the VVMC found out about it? Their response? They went on set while he was reading the news stood around him, and basically looked straight at the cameras while they were still broadcasting, and said "this guy is full of sh*t. All of us lads have served in Vietnam, and not ONCE have we found any details of this guy serving, let alone in the SASR. You might wanna stop talking sh*t buddy, and get your facts straight. And I wouldn't claim something you aren't, especially when it disrespects those that have served, and especially those that have died over there."

Needless to say, the newsreader was fired that night. Just because they people are bikies, doesn't make them any less human than anyone else.

That's awesome!!! Glad those idiots were stopped! XD

DISGUSTING! ATS'rs cheering at Americans being shut up because someone didn't like what they have to say. WAIT TIL IT'S WHAT YOU SAY THEY DON;T LIKE! THEN SHUT THE HELL UP WHEN YOU ARE SHUT DOWN!

So much for EQUAL RIGHTS of Freedom and Expression and Assembly... I ave nothing in common with you brainless twits!

IT'S NEVER OK TO SHUT THE PEOPLE UP! EVER!

I thought inciting to riot was against the law?

As every state in the United States has its own laws (subject to the Supremacy Clause), each has its own definition of a riot. In New York State, for example, the term riot is not defined explicitly, but under § 240.08 of the N.Y. Penal Law due to the fact there was much fighting in the streets, "A person is guilty of inciting to riot when he urges ten or more persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to create public alarm."

en.wikipedia.org...

So.....

Those with underlying agendas use our 'laws' for their own purposes, which often have nothing to do with showing common decency and respect toward people who are suffering or dead. So let the courts deal with agendas, but let our communities deal with such problems in real time. Let's not kick people down when they have the courage to stand. And they did stand up in Joplin.
Just yesterday a man drowned in San Francisco Bay. The local fire and rescue would not pull him out of the water because they were not trained to do so (fearing a lawsuit, perhaps?). After an hour, a private citizen, no doubt frustrated with this nonsense, went into the water and brought his body to shore. It was a woman, not bikers, who intervened this time. Denying ignorance is not something to be ignored.

(05-31) 06:28 PDT Alameda, Calif. (AP) -- Authorities and witnesses say a 57-year-old man who drowned in San Francisco Bay on Memorial Day waded into the water fully clothed and remained there for almost an hour before a woman pulled his lifeless body back to shore. The Oakland Tribune reports that rescue efforts were delayed after the unidentified man ventured into the chilly bay from an Alameda beach Monday morning because local police and fire crews are not trained in land-to-water rescues. Petty Officer Erik Swanson tells the Tribune that a U.S. Coast Guard boat dispatched to the scene could not reach the man because the water was too shallow. By the time a helicopter spotted him, the woman swimmer already was pulling him toward the beach. Swanson says the man was pronounced dead at Alameda Hospital. Read more: www.sfgate.com.../n/a/2011/05/31/national/a062839D08.DTL#ixzz1O1DGbrwi

Me thinks the Baptists are meant to give religion a bad name so more people will lump patriots in this group.