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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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There is a conspiracy out there, to hide one of the most powerful tools we have at our disposal from us. To unveil and explore this, it is important to talk a little about Quantum Theory first... And then it all ties together at the end.

According to Quantum Theory, each time you or anyone else makes a decision (turn right instead of left, or continue straight), you enter into a universe based on that decision. But, each other **POSSIBLE** decision that you could have made ACTUALLY HAPPENS, too. And those possibilities produce another universe based on those decisions.

In the classic thought experiment concerning Schrodinger’s Cat, a cat trapped in a blackened box (no windows) is either alive or dead depending on the random decay of radioactive matter that will trigger a hammer to shatter a flask of poison. The subatomic action determines whether the cat is alive or dead. One thought is that the cat is in a “super-positional” quantum state in which it is BOTH alive *and* dead. Another thought is that the cat is both alive and dead, --but in two different universes. The Universe has to “choose” if the trap is sprung or not, but instead it chooses both options by creating another universe, one for the possibility that the cat is alive, and another for the possibility the cat is dead.

Here is a link to further explore this: en.wikipedia.org...'s_cat
In a nutshell, what all the hubbub is about is this: for every decision, every potential, every possible alternative and possibility that could possibly happen, another universe is formed. In one of these universes, everything is identical except for the fact that you are drinking water right now, instead of your soda, diet soda, beer or coffee. Another universe is identical except that you decided not to smoke at an earlier age and consequently have healthier-looking skin right now. In another one, you have a metallic silver version of your car, not the green one you have now (or whatever color). Of course, these are examples of universes nearly identical to our own. Wilder examples are easy.

Wilder, more divergent parallel universes are the same except that John McCain won the last election. Even wilder might be that he had to leave office for whatever reason and Sarah Palin stepped up to the job and was our first female President. Of course, we can go back and imagine a universe where the Germans won WWII. And so on. But, let’s concern ourselves with the topic of this thread: you have died; you are dead; you will continue to die.

In very similar universes to ours/yours, there are versions where you died as a neonate for whatever reason, or as a toddler, or preschooler, or adolescent, juvenile, new adult, etc. You were surely the victim of a bad vaccine, strange flu, pneumonia, West Nile virus, hereditary disease that was life-threatening, random act of violence, car accident, airplane crash, drowning, electrocution, etc. Every manner of DEATH imaginable, you have been, still are and will continue to be the victim of ---in every conceivable combination and scenario. You see, it must be so, because just to IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITY means that it could very well have happened. “Could very well have happened” means it DID, IS, AND WILL happen because there is a universe out there in which those strange combos have occurred.

Of course, more positive universes are out there as well: in other universes, you somehow ended up in the arms of Ms. USA or Mr. Universe. You married a pop star or won American Idol. You hit the lottery and struck it rich, or you bought worthless property and years later oil was discovered on it. Or, you saved the life of someone royal while on vacation in England and were knighted and given an estate worth millions. You lived your true, full potential, have a huge family or smaller one. Every good, bad, ugly and stellar possibility has, is and will continue to manifest.

Think of a sprawling oak tree as an analogy of your life possibilities: you begin as an acorn. As the acorn grows, develops leaves and small branches, this represents the limited amount of decisions you can make, or tendencies you might develop. As the tree grows, distinct branches form (did you show a love for graphic art or music, or just having fun playing in the sand box?). These branches grow and develop sub-branches of their own (did you focus on school grades or having fun; did you get along with others or become more introverted; did you suffer from disease or were you healthy?). Imagine a fully-grown oak tree with dozens of branches, hundreds of sub-branches, thousands of twigs and hundreds of thousands of leaves, each representing a different possibility that sprang from a single source: You. One twig represents the universe where you were elected to public office; a leaf on that twig represents the universe that you served with dignity and retired happy; another leaf off that twig is the one where you were jailed for corruption and bribery acceptance; and yet another one is the one in which a bald, crazed nut-job tried to assassinate you and you survived but are not recovering phenomenally; etc., etc., etc…

So, if (and that’s a very big IF) Quantum Theory is true, there are ENDLESS AND INFINITE universes around us in which every conceivable and inconceivable scenario has played out, is playing out and will play out.
The TRICK is to somehow, via the most powerful force in the universe (because this “force” creates new universes!) –the power of DECISION—is to somehow, via decision… manifest this universe you find yourself in now into the best universe you can make. According to Quantum Theory, thought can affect the universe around you. Your focus can determine your reality. Thought and focus lead to the kinds of decisions you will make. Those decisions will undoubtedly branch off into alternate universes, and they will also propel you into your future reality in this one.

However, the grandest conspiracy of all, in my humble opinion, is that TPTB (The Powers That Be) don’t want the average citizen to realize that they have this grand power. They distract us with MSM (Main-stream Media), wine and circus. They distract us with economic disaster and worry, sending us into frightened, worried and depressed states of being, --states in which we do not make good decisions.



I know, bad things happen to people. We can't get around that. We can't control the path of tornadoes. We do however, have control of how we handle those things. We can't control the wind, but we can adjust our sails.

It’s very simple: you have power over your existence to the extent of your intention and decisions and mindset. I hope you make your universe as happy as possible! --And, not good “luck,” but good DECISIONS! This thread really isn’t about death. It’s about life. Good journey!
Thoughts?




posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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Here's why I find it hard to believe. The cat paradox makes sense, because as far as we know the radioactive process is random. So I think universes could be created for each random decision of nature - whatever there is to that.

But I don't believe in free will/choices. Your choice is based on events from before, that by the time of your choice are out of your control, so you only ever have one choice to make. The free will part is an illusion.

We know everything has a cause or a reason - as we learn more and more about the brain, we discover more and more that there is no free will or choice - there's just the decision you come to based on the thoughts you had prior to that (chemical reactions) which are based on biology and memories, on and on and on till you're that acorn again. In this sense, I actually think time may work forward and backward, but the causes just change their meaning. Let's say you drop a ball on teh ground. Is the ground throwin ghte ball back up to you, or forcing hte ball o come down? : )

So this theory works for truly random events or decisions, if they exist. But not otherwise.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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It's unfalsifiable. What is there to discuss?



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Great post, very thought provoking to say the least.

I know very little about the Quantum Theory, and I won't even try to lie and say I do.

That being said, I do have a question, maybe you can answer.

By the time you are an adult, there would be thousands upon thousands of these "branch" universes, correct? So is there a chance that at one point, multiple universes could collide? Like when the branches of that oak tree twist and grow into each other? Wouldn't that possibility in turn create dimensional/reality issues?

Like I said, I know very little of the Quantum Theory, just a question.

S & F



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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There can be several thousand acorns and their universes. However an acorn once its developed has a predermined path - they are totally manipulated by their own biology, environment, and experiences. Just because the cause and effect is complicated and there are multiple cases and effects at any given second of time, doesn't mean there is anything like free will or choice.

Now for items that impact a person's choice that are truly random - as far as we know - this theory could work. That would seriously limit the number of universes, though.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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I catually think there is no case for free will at all - no one has ever proved such a thing. : ) Choice is just a product of thoughts/experiences/biology that preceded it.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by isthisreallife
Great post, very thought provoking to say the least.

I know very little about the Quantum Theory, and I won't even try to lie and say I do.

That being said, I do have a question, maybe you can answer.

By the time you are an adult, there would be thousands upon thousands of these "branch" universes, correct? So is there a chance that at one point, multiple universes could collide? Like when the branches of that oak tree twist and grow into each other? Wouldn't that possibility in turn create dimensional/reality issues?

Like I said, I know very little of the Quantum Theory, just a question.

S & F

FANTASTIC question! I wanted to touch into that in the OP, but didn’t want to scare people off by having an enormous first post. Essentially, *everyone* has their own tree, and those trees are in proximity to each other, if we look at multiple universes as a plane of trees, or an infinite amount of oak groves on an infinite field. Now, take that flat, infinite field and imagine it being placed on an infinite diameter sphere, with trees on the outside and inside.

Okay, if you can do that, just imagine the roots, trunks, branches, twigs and leaves entangling with neighbor trees near and far. Other people’s deaths and lives greatly affect our own tree system. It is very inconceivable, perhaps, because it is an infinite amount of interaction and connectivity and possibility.

But, yes. Our “tree” can interact with an infinite amount of trees, near or far. In the end, what we have is an intangible mess of vegetation, sticking to the analogy of trees. To navigate these possibilities would be a sticky affair indeed. Think of the show, “Sliders” or “Quantum Leap.”

Star for the great thought!



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Well that makes a lot of sense. But could someone's own branches tangle with other branches from your own tree? So your tree becomes a twisted mess?

To me, that could create some problems if universes are mixing.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by isthisreallife
By the time you are an adult, there would be thousands upon thousands of these "branch" universes, correct? So is there a chance that at one point, multiple universes could collide? Like when the branches of that oak tree twist and grow into each other? Wouldn't that possibility in turn create dimensional/reality issues?


I have a thought on this. I kind of see the parts of the branches (diff universes) that touch as when we have deja vu. A decision we made in the past that split to a completly different branch and somehow came to the exact same space/time as another universe that was created by a past decision. make since?



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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I know, bad things happen to people. We can't get around that. We can't control the path of tornadoes. We do however, have control of how we handle those things. We can't control the wind, but we can adjust our sails.


In my alternate universe I've decided to put up a couple wind generators. Now all I have to do is figure out where the money is gonna come from.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by isthisreallife
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Well that makes a lot of sense. But could someone's own branches tangle with other branches from your own tree? So your tree becomes a twisted mess?

To me, that could create some problems if universes are mixing.



Oh, I see. I suppose that anything is possible. In the analogy, though, each branch represents personal choice and uncontrollable events that create "branches" in the first place. What you are describing sounds like another person's interactions with you. In that sense, they would have a branch where they met you and it affected their life, and you would have a branch where they met you and it affected your life.

Now, if you're just talking about the proximity of branches within the analogy getting tangled, like universes colliding and intertwining and reality shredding to pieces in violent "POSSIBILITY STORMS," sure, I'm sure that there is a universe out there that is suffering from this, many perhaps, like in the show, "Fringe," in which two alternate universes are threatening to destroy each other. It's mind-boggling to consider the possibilities, but surely is IS POSSIBLE ---if nothing else than from the fact that YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT. Very good dialogue.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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If parallel universes exist and their is a lot of versions of you, then which version is really you.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by robbiekeane
If parallel universes exist and their is a lot of versions of you, then which version is really you.

I would answer that they are ALL YOU. This explains deja vu, intuition, gut-feelings and DREAMS. Some dreams are very outlandish yet seem completely *real.* Some involve YOU as a different YOU. Some have friends and family in different roles. In some dreams, you are single. In others, you are married to someone else. Even if you are happily and faithfully married, in some dreams you can't help but become intimate with someone else, and it doesn't seem wrong. In some dreams, you have a different job, live in a different place, possibly even on different geography (the kind that doesn't exist here because a volcano didn't dramatically alter the landscape of your current location 500,000 years ago)... You get the idea.

Dreams may be a connection into nearby (or distant) parallel universes. So, with all those "YOUs" out there, they might be dreaming of the YOU that is reading this post. Very good question.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
It's unfalsifiable. What is there to discuss?


Lot's to discuss as your statement is a "non Priori"

It is not unfalsifiable, please do show me how repeated, observed, measured and peer reviewed and accepted Quantum Experiments, or the observer affect is in any way in the land of folk lore, unfalsifiable or "out there"

Based on your premise, please bring to us the Proof that shows the experiments, results, and observable behavior of the universe from non locality, schrodingers cat and super positioning etc is is any way shown to be incorrect, falsified or just "theory?"

What you are trying to say is that this does not fit in with your worldview therefore you will not be open to it and just label as something that has no way of being proved.

Please do not try and force your "views" and opinions on others when hard science does not agree with your point. That is most often seen in fundementalism and used by people who themselves hold a non provable view.

The OP premise that all alternate realities exist at once is not something that at the moment is provable, however the science I list is bringing that understanding of reality closer and closer, and according to this is in fact very likely not unlikely to be the case.

Kind Regards,

Elf



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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there is another possible interpretation of quantum physics. have you ever considered that you would have always chosen to do what you did? in that case, there would be no other universes formed. sure, theoretically they could exist, and that is what the math will show you. in practice, they don't. the closest you could get is an infinite amount of all the same universe.

diverse timelines would still be possible, but it would be more like a movie. the choices and ending never change no matter how many times its played.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Guys you're making assumptions that free will exists to begin with.

You must prove that first.

: )



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by robbiekeane
If parallel universes exist and their is a lot of versions of you, then which version is really you.


I dont know if you've seen the videos on the double slit expeiment, but it might be able to help you out. In a nutshell, any thing is possible, but your concenice collapses onto the reality that is most probable.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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This is Hugh Everett's "Many Worlds" Theory in a nutshell. You explained it very well until you got to the part about TPTB stifling this information. If this theory is correct, TPTB are only stifling it in some of the universes, but not the others. Given the multiplicity of universes, this would seem a trivial and unnecessary accusation. If the universe actually does work this way, tghis is like saying TPTB are stifling the fact that 2 + 2 = 4. It can't really be done.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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free will does exist (reasonable free will, at least). but you would have always done exactly what you did.

you still make all the choices, its just that you would have always made the same choices.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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My post is;
A scathing rebuke of the theory
A total agreement of the OP
Something snarky

Cool. 3 new universes.





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