Greece getting another Bailout? Merkel betrayed us...again.

reply to post by Shenon


I'm a Greek citizen, and I believe that Greece should be dropped from the EU, have things really improved since the switch from the Drachma to the Euro? Really? Have they? Sure the infrastructure may have improved due to the Olympics, but all that was money spent in overdraft, now we have what was once a shining example of demokratia in economic ruins and in enslaved through debt to the EU.

They need to be sovereign again, have a gold-backed currency and from that base point, work to eradicate latent corruption through social reform.

Unfortunately I doubt we will see this happen, because as we all know, debt is ownership, and who would give up ownership of a country in the name of humanity, no leader I know.

Germany continues to bail out greece, because they know that they should drop them from the EU, but that won't bode too well in their quest for world domination (NWO bilderbergers) , a sovereign state is not a "harmonised state".

While I am quite sure the chances of her re-election in 2013 are slim there is no positive side to this situation. Seeing as how she is the ‘conservative’ of your country’s two major parties the socialists would definitely not do any better for you. You are stuck, to your right is a brick wall and to your left is a concrete wall, look up all you want there are no tools available to scale the walls to freedom.

Germans will just have to keep pushing out more of their tax dollars to nations within the Eurozone which could not properly manage their finances and if they do not like it too bad, get over it, and do it for the good of Europe… do it for yourselves because you got suckered into that currency.

Globalists 100 – People 0.

But before I depart from this topic may I leave some words of wisdom? The Treaty of Versailles in 1919 costed Germany 132,000,000,000 German Marks ($31.4 billion) about equivalent to $442 billion today, the result of that treaty was the inevitable cataclysmic fall of the German economy and the eventual rise of Adolf Hitler for national restoration. While I do not in any way believe Germans would ever allow such a horrible man to power again my point is that you poke the hornet’s nest which has been forced into submission for nearly 70 years do not be surprised at the results you get.

reply to post by stygmartyrZA


Its not "Germany" that Bails out Greece,its Merkel. The Germans have to pay for it. Many People here realize that Greece is beyond saving,so giving them another Bailout is just "Kicking the Can down the Road".

Sadly,the Impact will be so much more devastating the longer the Can continues down the Road due to gaining more and more Speed...

reply to post by Misoir


Merkel has no Backbone anyway. She breaks at the slightest Pressure,as she demontrates again and again. Same with most of our Politicans.

Germans should be furious especially because Germany never had any problem standing on their own because of the high efficiency of German industry and the work ethic of the German people . Germany got absolutely nothing by joining the EU except to use the German treasury to bail out the welfare cases . Germans should be on the edge of revolt over Max Kaisers report and investigation , if it was even reported in Germany . All of the gold Germany is supposed to have in the national bank is actually on deposit at the Federal Reserve in New York where Germany has to pay to lease their own gold , if it's there , which it may not be . Germany is supposed to have 3,500 metric tonnes of gold to back the country and the CEO of Bundesbank admitted to Max Kaiser that there isn't one ounce within Germany , it's all in New York .

reply to post by bandito


Do you have a Source for those claims? Never heard of that before...

While you talk about nations (Germany this, Greece that, France this, Spain that) and get upset on impossible bail-outs presumably engineered by those who will profit from them the looting will go on and on and on...

I dont think Merkel has a choice but to bail out Greece, if she doesnt the German banks will take a huge hit. If German banks are anything like American banks then theyre "to large to fail".

So Merkel has two choices bail out the PIGS, or bail out the German banks when the PIGS default. Both are bad choices, I figure Merkel thinks bailing out the PIGS is the lesser of two evils.

Either way the bankers are going to get there money and the German people are going to pay for it. Thats the way the world works.

Originally posted by lokdog
I dont think Merkel has a choice but to bail out Greece, if she doesnt the German banks will take a huge hit. If German banks are anything like American banks then theyre "to large to fail".

So Merkel has two choices bail out the PIGS, or bail out the German banks when the PIGS default. Both are bad choices, I figure Merkel thinks bailing out the PIGS is the lesser of two evils.

Either way the bankers are going to get there money and the German people are going to pay for it. Thats the way the world works.

The Problem is,by bailing out Greece a second Time,it just delays the default for another Year (if another Bailout acually happens,thats still to be decided in June),and it will make it worse the longer they kick the Can down the Road. And lets not forget the other States who need a lil Money too...

I think she just doesn´t want to deal with a Financial Crash in her current,and last Term...

Wait a Moment...Why does this sound so familiar?

EZB/IMF = FED
EU = United States
EU Crisis (after WW2 failed to unite Europe under one Ruler/Bank) = American Civil War and the Creation of the US and later,the FED

This whole Farce isn´t about creating a Global Crisis or a War,its about creating a European Union under one Central Bank...like the FED and the US...thats why the IMF/EZB are pushing Greece to sell State Assets and give up their Souverignity(sp?) to them. And to prevent this from happening to other States,they want to control all States in the EU. After they achieved that,the are gonna Print Money to loan them to the Members States...making the same BS that destroyed the UDSSR and soon the US...

And looking deeper,Hitler was probably a Banking Puppet as well,without knowing it. After bringing Germany down to its Knees,they pushed them to unite Europe trough War. It failed,but they are trying it again,but in a different Way.

Somehow,i don´t like where this is going...

The End Game: A Few Central Banks control everything

The FED controls the American Union (US - Canada - Mexico - ?)
The EZB/IMF controls the European Union
The ? controls the Asian Union
The ? controls the Arab and African Union (thats why we have the Arab Spring,to create and implement a Central Bank sooner or later)


Hmmmm...

Originally posted by Misoir
[...] But before I depart from this topic may I leave some words of wisdom? The Treaty of Versailles in 1919 costed Germany 132,000,000,000 German Marks ($31.4 billion) about equivalent to $442 billion today, the result of that treaty was the inevitable cataclysmic fall of the German economy and the eventual rise of Adolf Hitler for national restoration. While I do not in any way believe Germans would ever allow such a horrible man to power again my point is that you poke the hornet’s nest which has been forced into submission for nearly 70 years do not be surprised at the results you get.

edit on 5/31/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)

After reading something simliliar,and the way this Crisis is handled,i think you may be right in a way. If we have to pay for Bailout after Bailout to prevent a complete Crash for a little while (after Greece,there is still Ireland,Portugal,Spain etc.), like the reperations for WW1,someone will rise to Power who is gonna say "# you all"...just like Hitler did...but could this lead to WW3 if the German Population says "Enough"?

I doubt it somehow,i don´t know any current Politican who has the Balls to go against the Banking Elite in the near Future. Another thing is,we rely on our Exports,so a crash would destroy our Economy as well (on top of a Financial Crash...)

This whole Situation is hopeless. If we don´t pay,the EU will collapse,including our Economy. If we pay,we are gonna pay forever,until we are broke ourselves...I fear,there is no way out anymore