Intel report: Kenyans honor Obama's 'birthplace', Museum commissioned in family's African Villag

DP sorry

Originally posted by Antiquated1

Originally posted by 46ACE
Okay Alex: " I'll take things that make you go: hmmmmm..." For $300

Yeah but; calling the entire African country of Kenya "Stupid birthers" might be considered "racist"...

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You know this has noting to do with the entire country of Kenya though, don't you? You do know that crazy American villages do not dictate anything real? Just so you know, I have been to 3 birthplaces for Paul Bunyan. 2 birthplaces for Johnny Appleseed. I have also seen two log cabins that just miraculously both claim to be the birthplace of Lincoln. None of those are true and all rake in tourist dollars. I guess not being American, I can call you all stupid birthers for believing in two men that never existed and one man that was born in several places?

You make a good point with the "Paul Buyan" reference. I tried to make the point (in a round about way): Nobody is calling Kenyans"RACIST!" for questioning his birthplace...

If Any American questions the"golden child": 6 posts later somebodys' reply will invariably include the word "racist"...
And that there's more to all these questions than "White American middle class racism".

You realize nobody has seen these original newspaper ads since1961.Newspaper archives are stored on "microfiche". All that waved about as"evidence" are photographic records (2nd best evidence ) of the source document.

Quite simply I don't trust politicians in general; this man,his "politics", his cabinet, or his followers. Little will change that.

I'm holding my breath and crossing my fingers we survive as a constitutional republic until the 2012 "selections".

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Delusion might sound a bit harsh, but I don't think that you're too far wrong there.

For the life of me, I just can't find any factual basis to the ''birther'' argument which could make people reasonably and logically dispute the fact that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Why yes, Yes I would make a statement. I would say HEY, you aren't making things any easier for me over here in the USA. To ensure everyone is NOT mistaken, I was not born in Kenya so stop this crazy concept that I was born in Kenya and that "tribal birthplace" resort!!!! Honest to pete people.....

Yes, that's what I would say.

(and, I am sure Obama can convince them into donating that 1.2 million (plus) directly to his re-election bid.

By the way, are these people in Kenya "birthers" also? Or do they get a pass.... by you?

Why does everyone keep calling this a birther thread? Seemed to me when I read the OP that the poster was making the point that the Kenyans are mistaken and someone in the Obama administration should set them straight.

Frankly at this point these threads from either side are kind of useless. If he was somehow born outside the US and his mom was too young to convey citizenship (common "birther" argument, not sure of the validity myself) it's too late for that to have any effect. That's not going to be allowed the yank him from office and if the TPTB want him in office he'll win in 2012 as well, no matter what is dug up on him. Either there will be massive voter fraud (even worse than usual, and probably more blatant) or he'll lose the popular vote and the electoral college will give the citizens a big middle finger, again (Dubya).

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Call it a hunch but I am willing to bet your vast amount of free time in relation to the president, let alone the difference between concern over wars and economies differs from whatever might take up your day. Maybe you should run. Sounds like you might be the best president ever to have so little to worry about that you will make sure to tell some village of about 5000 people in it to stop building thatched huts after you. Let me know when you put your hat in the ring.

Originally posted by 46ACE
You make a good point with the "Paul Buyan" reference. I tried to make the point (in a round about way): Nobody is calling Kenyans"RACIST!" for questioning his birthplace...

When you learn the difference between a nation and a tiny village within that nation, we can actually have an intelligent and informed conversation on this. As long as you continue to conflate an entire country with what enough people to fit in my college auditorium actually consist of, then you are not discussing reality.

Or maybe I can just follow suit. If what people do in Kogelo = Kenya endorsing it, then America needs to stop endorsing that stuff I keep seeing from the westboro baptist church. Please call my comparison crazy and then make the same one again.

Did I ever mention I went to Florida and while I was there, I pulled over and stopped at the famous birthplace of the gatorman? Half lizard, half human. Terrorizes people lost in the swamps. I only mention it because I am fairly sure the owner used more raw material to advertise the birthplace of a half man/half gator than that sketch appears to show the raw material this small village is using to build its monument to Obama. I just don't get how anyone other than the hardest set birther can even care about this.

reply to post by Antiquated1


Is that all you got?

Maybe Obama can mention it when he returns to Kenya, as promised last year:

Saturday, 05 June 2010
President Obama to Visit Kenya

US President Barack Obama has promised the people of Kenya that he will visit the country, which is his late father’s land of birth, before his term in office expires. In a White House interview he granted to the state-owned Kenya Broadcasting Corporation (KBC),

“I am positive that before my service as president is completed I will visit Kenya again, as President of the United States,” he told the KBC.

Source: www.africafrique.com...:president-obama-to-visit-kenya&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=64
(this news source does not make note of Obama being a Kenya born citizen-for the record).

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That might explain why Obama's Kenyan half brother lives in poverty, because Gramma used the family's life savings to travel to Hawaii in 1961 to witness little Barry's birth and things have never been the same since.

There are poor people in Kenya. There are poor people in Obama's family tree. I suppose for elitists like you, that's a negative. (actually his grandmother does fairly well...)

That telephone interview took place on Oct. 16, 2008, after Obama personally called Gramma and asked her to keep quiet.

I've already posted the FULL conversation that took place between McRae and his Grandmother. She NEVER SAID Obama was born in Kenya, she said she was present at his birth in Hawaii.

Learn to read already.

All those birther articles that came out after that interview cut off the interview where she corrects McRae's attempt to cajole her into saying he was born in Africa were clearly biased against Obama from the start.

McRae tried to trick her into agreeing that he was born in Kenya;

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

This is where the truncated interview was stopped - and where the birthers took over, trying to use this to imply Obama was born in Kenya. In legal parlance, this is called a "leading question", no matter how it is answered the question tricks the respondent into giving an incorrect or misleading answer.

Here is the rest of the interview, the part the birthers tried to ignore:

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

The grandmother had to repeatedly correct McRae's constant attempt to depict Obama as being born in Kenya.

Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes.

His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room.

Yawn, here you are continuing to perpetuate this lie. I assume this is about the Berg tape recording.He claims Obama's grandmother called him up to tell him he was born in Kenya, a tape Berg has claimed repeatedly to have yet has never actually released. Probably because he realized after the fact that Obama's grandmother can't speak a word of English.

Birther's can't stand facts, and the fact is, Obama's grandmother (who can't speak English) never stated Obama was born in Kenya, she has always stated he was born in Hawaii.

Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories

reply to post by TheArchaeologist[/
I like the fact that you are at least a little curious about the discrepancies about Obama. The book just released by
CORSI is very interesting and I find it funny that Obama seems to have so many other documents missing also. He sure is an interesting mystery to me..Have you seen the you tube stuff on him like... Is Osama Obama... that one is very weird..some kid did a picture overlay of their faces and they fit exactly.. and the Edgar Cassey prophecies on the anti-christ.. Is Obama the anti-christ...That one is just down right creepy..

I am not saying that I believe all of it for sure but it sure makes you wonder......