SECURITY: The Draft, page 2

I heard John Kerry on Imus in the Morning today. Although I found it hard to listen to all the tried to say, I think the following quote bears repeating. One could infer that Mr. Kerry would be eager to beefup the military, perhaprs with a draft.

It is important to do much more rapid training. Senator Biden came back from over there, other experts have observed they're not doing the training that's necessary, at a pace that's necessary, in a way that's necessary to establish the security. And it is going to be critical to accelerate that kind of training.

But look, I have to look and see what I have on January 20. At the rate the president's going, nobody can predict what will happen on January 20. I'll tell you this: A new president, with new credibility, with a fresh start, who listens to the military leaders, doesn't fire them, like General Shinseki, when they give him advice they don't like, a new president who has credibility with the foreign leaders, will have the opportunity to isolate the extremists and to bring people to the table in different ways: for border security, for training, and to do the things necessary to provide stability. I'm committed to providing that stability

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[edit on 18-9-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
I heard John Kerry on Imus in the Morning today. Although I found it hard to listen to all the tried to say, I think the following quote bears repeating. One could infer that Mr. Kerry would be eager to beefup the military, perhaprs with a draft.

It is important to do much more rapid training. Senator Biden came back from over there, other experts have observed they're not doing the training that's necessary, at a pace that's necessary, in a way that's necessary to establish the security. And it is going to be critical to accelerate that kind of training.

But look, I have to look and see what I have on January 20. At the rate the president's going, nobody can predict what will happen on January 20. I'll tell you this: A new president, with new credibility, with a fresh start, who listens to the military leaders, doesn't fire them, like General Shinseki, when they give him advice they don't like, a new president who has credibility with the foreign leaders, will have the opportunity to isolate the extremists and to bring people to the table in different ways: for border security, for training, and to do the things necessary to provide stability. I'm committed to providing that stability

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I fail to see the inference wherein you see Kerry backing or welcoming or implying anything about a draft. I see a dilligent, considered, diplomat. One who takes the time to think through the various repercussions of his decisions. One who refuses to exclude all options available, being legal, moral, and within the power of the President.

Originally posted by Bleys
A list of the sponsors and co-sponsors of these bills

House Bill 163 - Sponsor Charles B. Rangel, - NY
Co-sponsors - Abercrombie, Neil - HI
Brown, Corrine-FL
Christensen, Donna M.-VI
Clay, Wm. Lacy-MO
Conyers, John, Jr.-MI
Cummings, Elijah E.-MD
Hastings, Alcee L.-FL
Jackson, Jesse L., Jr.-IL
Jackson-Lee, Sheila-TX
Lewis, John-GA
McDermott, Jim-WA
Moran, James P.-VA
Stark, Fortney Pete-CA
Velazquez, Nydia M.-NY
Norton, Eleanor Holmes-DC(w/drawn)


Senate Bill 89 - Sponsor Ernest F. Hollings SC
No co-sponsors

The full text of the bills can be found here and here

[edit on 5-8-2004 by Bleys]

Why am I not surprised to see Jim McDermitt on there?

When I was in the army, I remeber my superiors and older commerades who remeber the days of the draftee army. They told me that alot of draftees were lackluster, dopeheads, with no motivation or real desire to be in. It made the quality and morale of the army in general suffer.

My uncle was drafted into Vietnam. He was in bible college at the time. He told them specifically, that while we accepted his fate as a draftee, he asked to be trained as a chaplain's assistant. He said he loved his country and would serve it, but it was against everything in his moral being and beliefs to kill another human being. He said he would be more than willing to help minister to the soldiers in need, but killing was against his religous and moral beliefs.

They laughed, put him in the infantry, and set him off killing VC in the jungles. The first guy, as he puleld the trigger, dropped. My uncle threw down his weapon and ran. The sight of his own hand killing another person was too much overload. He had to be hospitalized when they found him three days later, he was a total wreck.

Is that very democratic? No, in my opinion it was an insult and a slap in the face of everything Americans cherish. Its sick.

The truth is, our army functions best when they have good training and discipline with many willing participants.

Intrepid is right. if we have to hold a gun to people's heads to force them in, we are overextended, and need to do something about it.

An army of the unwilling will serve no one, and create bigger problems.

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