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Just Now Witnesses Them Dispersing Chemtrails Over Springfield MO.

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posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
reply to post by CaDreamer
 


And they all fly over my little square of country?...nope...dont think so...lots of us on here are ex-military and we have been exposed to many many days of watching the sky and the planes that fly in it....we know abnormal traffic pattens,abnormal discharge from said planes engines and when you see two planes passing each other and one elaves a "normal" contrail that fades away in a minute or two and the others trail stays and apreads,and,LO,another plane comes back and crosses the other and ITS trail doesnt fade,then something is wrong....disbelieve all you want...I know what Im looking a.....


Planes at different altitude leave different trails.

Where is your square, approximately? I think you'll find that regular planes DO fly over there.




posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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i actually agree that this subject is a non starter and want it to go away until there is some kind of solid proof either way.
there has never been any credible evidence offered to prove the claim of chemtrails.

until that happens by any credible source, contrails are contrails.

now lets talk about something important for a change i am done with this thread.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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Thank you for the very nice aerial view of chem trails Uncinus, Once again your story is incorrect. How can you explain cirrus clouds causing them to be visible when there are zero clouds in the sky when they start spraying? A poster asked for a picture of a chemtrail earlier in the thread, thank you for completing their request



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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i just get bugged by supposed experts on chemtrails... that's like being a dolphin linguist...sure i guess its a possibility but where is your proof that it is valid people?



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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They're still doing it but now the sky is just covered in chemtrails and the storms are building outside Joplin heading this way. we shall see what comes out of this within a few hours



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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appearance of cirrus clouds in and around areas of contrails is again evidence that moisture is in the air... one confirms the other...



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by CaDreamer
appearance of cirrus clouds in and around areas of contrails is again evidence that moisture is in the air... one confirms the other...


i think i know the difference between condensation and disperse


you people are hilarious



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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You still do not understand what I have just stated. Without a global, full coverage, real time air monitoring system covering every square inch of the planet, It cannot be proven OR DISPROVEN. Anything less falls into the realm of assumption, like assuming they are contrails. This subject cannot be 100% proven by either side......period. To waste time debating that fact is to continue the argument on assumptions, not scientifically verifiable facts.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Truth4Thought
reply to post by Uncinus
 


Thank you for the very nice aerial view of chem trails Uncinus, Once again your story is incorrect. How can you explain cirrus clouds causing them to be visible when there are zero clouds in the sky when they start spraying? A poster asked for a picture of a chemtrail earlier in the thread, thank you for completing their request


The cirrus clouds DON'T cause contrails to be visible.

Moisture in the air causes contrails to be visible.

Moisture in the air causes cirrus clouds to be visible.

Sooooo..... if you can see cirrus clouds, then it's a reasonably indication that the nearby conditions are right for contrails to form.

Contrails bring their own moisture and condensation nuclei, so they can form in regions where there's a bit less moisture. So you can see them form on blue skies. But where there's a lot, and they persists, like in this image, there's usually some cirrus nearby (within 50 miles or so)



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Quantum Logic
reply to post by CaDreamer
 


You still do not understand what I have just stated. Without a global, full coverage, real time air monitoring system covering every square inch of the planet, It cannot be proven OR DISPROVEN. Anything less falls into the realm of assumption, like assuming they are contrails. This subject cannot be 100% proven by either side......period. To waste time debating that fact is to continue the argument on assumptions, not scientifically verifiable facts.



The facts are that high altitude planes leave contrails.

There's no evidence they leave chemtrails.

Those are scientifically verifiable facts.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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www.airtran.com...

check this out....not a major hub my behind...

would embed if i could


btw used to live in st louis... my uncle is the chief of police for the airport there... i know the area and i know the sky there ... nothing unusual...called my uncle to just cover my bases...he said flights are up but nothing unusual at all...



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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I don't care what your uncle is, or pretends to be. he currently isn't in Springfield and he cannot see whats going on here....I CAN, and so can the rest of the city

edit on 30-5-2011 by anumohi because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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will look for it in the news...

til then ta ta



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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It's really too bad people cannot see the illogical position of debating a topic that cannot be 100% proven or disproven without radically different technology than we currently possess. Doesn't anyone get it yet- NEITHER side will EVER win this argument.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by anumohi
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well if all these planes are at the same altitude, then why is it that only the big silver planes are dumping con, and the others aren't?. I'm watching them right now and if what you're saying is true? then ALL jet aircraft at that altitude should be doing the same thing.....RIGHT?


WRONG




They are NOT all at the same altitude, where do you chemtrail promoters get this false ideas? I have seen this time and time again, you all think the flight levels that jets are at, is just a single altitude that jets fly at, which is so totally untrue. And you, you can not tell me that you were able to discern from the ground that they were all at the same altitude.

But I will offer this up. If you can check a flight tracking website, and see all the aircraft are at the same altiitude, I will admit you are right. Just take a screen shot and put it up.

And there is actually a lot of traffic over the middle of the US at 9 to 10am? Why, its not rocket science. All the monday morning 7am cross country flights, can not exactly teleport across the country without overflying the middle.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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wow cadreamer...you said you were done with this thread and then posted 5 times afterwarsds. kinda like my girl does when she says "i'm done arguing" and then continues to rant about the same thing that makes no sense, only making herself look worse. yeah...if you're done with this thread, bye bye. what? were you stomping your feet in front of the door hoping we'd beg you not to go?

why do the debunkers post pics and expect us to just believe and hush? aren't pics easily manipulated?



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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your right it is an argument...
debate requires both sides of an issue to provide supporting evidence of their claim.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by ICEKOHLD
wow cadreamer...you said you were done with this thread and then posted 5 times afterwarsds. kinda like my girl does when she says "i'm done arguing" and then continues to rant about the same thing that makes no sense, only making herself look worse. yeah...if you're done with this thread, bye bye. what? were you stomping your feet in front of the door hoping we'd beg you not to go?

why do the debunkers post pics and expect us to just believe and hush? aren't pics easily manipulated?



Yes, pics can be manipulated and doctored, and its the chemtrailers who have done that.

Like the interior photo of the Boeing 777 during testing, that some chemtrailer added text in the background to look it look like it has signs about being a sprayplane and "haz mat" inside.

Or the photos in the the threads from yesterday, that were posted at chemtrail photos, but were actually airliner shots from airliner.net. However they were reposted, with the "airliners.net" border text and copyright information removed, along with any information about the airliner. It makes it harder to claim its chemtrails, when it is a Dutch KLM 747 airliner.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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you are correct sir! there is actually no way to prove or disprove this, currently. well...unless the governemnt is doing it then they can prove it. but i mean hey...surely the government would never do anything that they kept secret?

but yeah...no one has any solid proof that they are real or fake and yet both sides swear they are right. ergo...this is not a case of logic...this is a case of ego.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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You're flaming me? You make a thread about Chemtrails happening now, and you can't produce any pictures whatsoever, and you are claiming this is what is causing F5 tornadoes? Wait...you also say it could be HAARP. Wait...is HAARP causing chemtrails now too?

Just stop already. Tornadoes are caused by a warm air mass colliding with a cold air mass that is picked up by a fast moving jet stream. Period.

The point at which the air masses first collide will always look ominous. That is probably what you were seeing...the power of Mother Nature and nothing else.

Ps- no camera phone? Kids' digital? Polaroid? Neighbor? Nothing??






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