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I always suspected that too.
Originally posted by spacevisitor
Retired NASA astronaut Dr. Story Musgrave believes the Challenger astronauts were still alive after the blast and died on the moment they hit the water.
Originally posted by Zaphod
reply to post by spacevisitor
The most likely scenario is they all (in some ways luckily) had rapid loss of consciousness due to lack of air at 48k'. So they were technically alive when they hit, but not conscious for the fall (the forces from the fall, until impact were survivable) See www.hq.nasa.gov...
The official account released by NASA ends with shuttle pilot Michael Smith saying, " Uh-oh!" Some NASA employees have evidently heard more-much more. And they provided the rest of the account based on what they've discussed within NASA in the last five years. The astronauts had time and realized something was happening after the shuttle broke up.
" All shuttle astronauts carry personal recorders and the tape in question apparently came from Christa's (McAuliffe), which was recovered after the shuttle disaster, " said Hotz. Jarvis was sitting beside her, and when he figured out what was happening he said,
" Give me your hand. "
"NASA insists there's nothing like that on tape but they're talking about the mission tape, not Christa's. So they're not lying, but they're not telling the truth, either. "
The following transcript begins two seconds after NASA's official version ends, with pilot Michael Smith saying, " Uh-oh! ".
Most of that makes sense, though I'm not sure why seawater would destroy magnetic tape in 6 weeks, especially if it's tightly wound in a reel; the seawater may not have much access to the recording surface?
NASA later conceded it was likely that at least three of the crewmen aboard remained conscious after the explosion, and perhaps even throughout the few minutes it took for the crew compartment of the shuttle to fall back to Earth and slam into the Atlantic Ocean. The agency was highly secretive about matters relating to the Challenger tragedy, actively fighting in the courts media requests to be allowed access to photos of the wreckage, the details of the settlements made with the crews' families, or the autopsy reports, and this reticence to share information likely convinced some that there was more to the story than was being told. Such an environment breeds its own
However, the "transcript" quoted above was not taken from a "secret tape" leaked from NASA; it was a fanciful product of someone's imagination published in the a February 1991 issue of Weekly World News, a tabloid famous for creating news stories out of whole cloth. There never was such a transcript, nor was the crew of the Challenger known to have been wearing personal recorders. Moreover, personal recorders would not have picked up the comments of crew members on different decks, as the faked transcript would have us believe.
Not everyone aboard died the exact second the external tank exploded; that much is known. A complete understanding of exactly what happened in that cabin after the explosion remains elusive because the impact of the crash, plus the six weeks the wreckage and bodies spent in the sea, made it impossible to determine precisely when and how everybody aboard died. (Six weeks in sea water would also have ruined any unshielded audio tapes that miraculously survived the explosion and the crash.)
So that's the critical question right there, did the cabin depressurize instantly? If not, some were probably conscious the whole time. They think the 4th pack is a clue to that question:
If the cabin depressurized immediately, the crew would have lived about 6 to 15 seconds after the blast; if not, they might have survived for the full two minutes and forty-five seconds it took the cabin to fall 65,000 feet back to Earth. They most certainly could not have lived through the crushing 207 mph impact with the waters off the Florida coast
Was that 4th pack unactivated a sign of losing consciousness?
Possibly the best clue towards solving the mystery of how long the doomed crew survived lies in what NASA learned from examining the four emergency air packs recovered from the wreckage. Three had been manually activated, which demonstrated that at least some of the crew realized something had gone wrong and had taken steps to save themselves. However, the fourth unactivated pack speaks with an even stronger voice, indicating that most likely realization of the circumstances and loss of consciousness were occurring at roughly the same time.
In the report, Dr. Kerwin said: "The cause of death of the Challenger astronauts cannot be positively determined, the forces to which the crew were exposed during the orbiter breakup were probably not sufficient to cause death or serious injury, and the crew possibly, but not certainly, lost consciousness in the seconds following orbiter breakup due to in-flight loss of crew module pressure."
In other words, they might well have lived for the full spiral down and might even have been fully conscious for all of that hellish descent. But even if so, this fabricated "transcript" does not preserve their final words.
Originally posted by zroth
What is value in publishing a story like this? Not the OP but the actual story itself.
The families have already suffered a loss, now we want them to imagine their loved ones plummeting towards their death?
Some things are better left unsaid.
originally posted by: spacevisitor
Dear mods, after rethinking this thread and my last reply which I cannot delete anymore, I have a friendly request, please close this thread, because I realize now that there is no reason whatsoever for why this thread must be continue.
I think it is better to let it go.
As zroth said here.
I am convinced now that in this case zroth is right, that some things are better left unsaid.
originally posted by: LSU0408
although it could be possible that the fall was broken by the cabin they were still in and the survivors drowned instead.
The cabin nose was tilted a little to the right when it hit the ocean, just enough to send the cabin crashing onto its left side. It hit at about 200 miles an hour, fracturing like a bottle dropped onto a concrete pavement, but held together by the thousands of feet of wire that surround the cabin like a kind of high-tech cocoon. The astronauts were torn from their seats and thrown to the left, which was now down. They died instantly, dismembered by the impact.
originally posted by: LSU0408
...I'm searching for info about the Challenger Crew's deaths because in a different thread I'd mentioned something about memories from my childhood, and this is one of my fondest...