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Proof that C/2010 X1 is not a Comet as US Govt/NASA states, but is something extremley larger in mas

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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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I think what is really being discussed is the fact the Sumerian's and other ancient text references a 12th planet (or extra planet with a 3600 year trajectory) with a specific trajectory. Comet Elenin fit this orbit perfectly. This is why we are trying to figure if this is the long awaited Planet X!

www.youtube.com...
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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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has ATS become a troll spawning ground? i mean is there any logical debate on this site at all? is this what passes as PROOF?
err sure im heading for the hills. ill meet you there i just have to get... something. go ahead.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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I think what is really being discussed is the fact the Sumerian's and other ancient text references a 10th planet with a specific trajectory. Comet Elenin fit this orbit perfectly. This is why we are trying to figure if this is the long awaited Planet X!


The Sumerians never never reference a tenth planet; it's not even clear if they knew about Mercury, never mind the trans-Saturnian ones. Start here. Comet Elenin's orbit doesn't even resemble the one posted by the fantasist Sitchin. In any event, why choose Elenin over one of the other comets discovered last year. How would you say Jarnac's orbit compares to "Planet X?"




posted on May, 31 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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To OP:

Where is your undeniable proof ?

I could produce much better "proof" with "patterns" if i wanted to...



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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Watch the video embedded in this link. The math is done to show you that Comet Elenin is much bigger than NASA admits to.

truthfrequencynews.com...



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by curiouswa
 



I think what is really being discussed is the fact the Sumerian's and other ancient text references a 10th planet with a specific trajectory. Comet Elenin fit this orbit perfectly. This is why we are trying to figure if this is the long awaited Planet X!


The Sumerians never never reference a tenth planet; it's not even clear if they knew about Mercury, never mind the trans-Saturnian ones. Start here. Comet Elenin's orbit doesn't even resemble the one posted by the fantasist Sitchin. In any event, why choose Elenin over one of the other comets discovered last year. How would you say Jarnac's orbit compares to "Planet X?"



Your link doesn't go to Sumerian information and the NASA picture of the comet's trajectory clearly shows the orbit to be exactly like what has been talked about within ancient text, along with what Robert Harrington, chief astronomer of NASA talked about. He said the planets were being affected by what he and others thought of as an extra heavenly body (call it a planet, brown dwarf, etc).



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 09:36 AM
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There is good scientific data on here that shows this is not going to be an earth shattering event. People are trying to help others on here that are very afraid that something really big is going to affect life on Earth in a way that is it going to destroy our infrastructure.

There is good scientific data that is sane here and some really bad data that is inane..

Oh...shoot..I give up!! When is that spaceship getting here...!
edit on 31-5-2011 by ellieN because: changed a word, maybe a bit insulting



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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Your link doesn't go to Sumerian information and the NASA picture of the comet's trajectory clearly shows the orbit to be exactly like what has been talked about within ancient text, along with what Robert Harrington, chief astronomer of NASA talked about. He said the planets were being affected by what he and others thought of as an extra heavenly body (call it a planet, brown dwarf, etc).


That's because there is no Sumerian information about astronomy. We only know that they had names for the planets and constellations because the Babylonians used them. That's the point. If you are genuinely interested in ancient astronomy, here is a reading list. As you can see, if you are too lazy to actually learn Akkadian (a truly ugly language) you will at least need to learn to read German. No ancient text describes orbits; the Babylonians used "step functions" to predict the planets movements.

As for Robert Harrington, I suggest you actually read his paper: He says:


Planet X, if it exists at all, is most likely to be found, at present, in the region of Scorpius, with a considerably lesser likelihood that it is in Taurus.


Harrington proposed a much more distant body that stayed outside of the orbit of Pluto. It has never been found because his calculations were based on an erroneous value for the mass of Neptune. By the way, how is that search for a citation that Brown Dwarf stars are invisible going?



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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If you would have read my previous posts on the last page, you would see that the data I have collected SO FAR is not complete! If you can provide "better proof" with hard data, then by all means, please proceed! That is why I started this thread!!!

Previous Post on Page 14:

"I wasn't going to post anything again until the week of June 19th, when Earth, Venus, C/2010 X1 and the sun align. I will post more solid data of the amount of 5.0 earthquakes for comparison sake in the coming months. I'm not saying what I have posted SO FAR is actual proof. BUT, if the data continues to show a significant amount of increased earthquakes during the weeks that have alignments with Earth, then there may actually be some proof. GOT IT?

And one other thing, I DID NOT MEAN I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING "COMET" ELENIN FOR OVER A YEAR. I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THE PLANETX/NIBURU THEORY SINCE WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF NATURAL DISASTERS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. So... to BE CLEAR, I have been researching that theory for over a year. There is much more I haven't posted about my research because I know you trolls and psyops folks would just bash me AS YOU ALWAYS DO (weedwhacker). Call me an "IDIOT", call me dumb. I don't give a flying !@$!#. I only posted this so we could all eventually discuss the data I have and will continue to collect. Until then, bash away it doesn't affect me! Oh and I do agree with a lot of people on this thread that you guys are getting way off base with some of the topics here. SO let's stick to the data for now. OK? Geeze!"



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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I actually have been studying Planet X stuff for 2 years. Now the strange thing I have noticed about this "comet" is that the info for this comet has some of the same info on Planet X.

Example: Planet X was supposed to be seen in the sky world wide by the end of May... same with elenin
Planet X is supposed to come up from the south pole... same with elenin

And yes there is something strange about the earthquakes and this "thing" lining up with the sun and the earth. On all the dates for Chili, Japan, and Australia earthquakes it was lined up with us and the sun. Next perfect alignment is June 25 and will be 1.796 AU from earth. Closest pass will be Oct 17 @ .232 AU. So if something big happens June 25 that will be proof enough for me that this is not a comet. Comets have no gravity. We better hope it is a comet because if it is something else then .232 AU on Oct 17 will be very bad.

I find it very convenient that the discovery of this "comet" was released when it was and the discoverers name is a total joke... Leonid Elenin breaks down to...LEONIDS are asteroids or comets that come from the constellation Leo.. ELE of course extinction Level Event... NIN means Goddess of the sky [ancient samarian word] I find this a little hard to believe that his name just happens to break down like this. [ I looked up Russian baby names and search for leonid... not one hmmm???]

I actually asked a NASA scientist on the discovery news web site a few questions on this subject. He was busy telling everyone how the "gobble dee goop" all over the internet from amateur astronomers should not be taken seriously and that all is well... all is fine... just relax little sheeple haha... So I hit him with some hard facts like..

1] I asked.. Why does NASA deny knowing about planet X when they said they discovered it ? I think it was 30 years ago.. I remember it when it was on the news and in the papers.
2] I asked what was the reason for building an infrared telescope at the south pole?? Must be a reason to spend millions.
3) What is the reason for the infrared telescope that was released in the earth orbit by the space shuttle??
4] Why does google sky and other telescopes open to the public have a giant "band aid" in space at the same location on the different sites??

And so on.. so I waited for my reply from this scientist.. 15 minutes later I was deleted and strangely enough I can not seem to reply to anything on that site anymore.. Guess that is an answer in a way.

All I know is that something is coming and it will be here soon enough then we will know.. so much wrong with this planet now.. so many scenarios.. so much disinformation.. Something has to pan out....



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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3911,

Do not be discouraged by the naysayers, that just what they do.

If your theory rings true for you, then shout it from the rooftops.

It's up to the readers and critical thinkers here at ATS to make up their mind as to whom is telling the 'truth.'

Lord knows, at this point you have as much credibility as NASA or JPL.

Keep on keeping on!



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by my3911
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AGAIN...... READ my FREAKING POST ABOVE. "I'm not saying what I have posted SO FAR is actual proof. BUT, if the data continues to show a significant amount of increased earthquakes during the weeks that have alignments with Earth, then there may actually be some proof. GOT IT?."

That's the problem here... you people don't actually read. YOU JUST WANT TO BASH!



And yet the very first word in your thread title is ... wait for it... "proof" (facepalming myself right now.)



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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still find it interesting people think NASA/Government is lying about the comet yet the very data they use to twist the truth is from NASA. If NASA is lying then you surely can't use their data as any kind of reliable proof either.
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The real deceit is when you mix the half truth and the half lies so that no one can determine what exactly is going on. So you have to sort the salient part out of the rotten part. It is a waiting game anyways, what will happen will happen.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Exactly what kind of "alignment" do you see happening On June 19th? Because I don't see one:




posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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You're right something is coming. Im on the comet side of the fence. I have seen too much fear mongering around here to even be swayed by those that believe its planet x and not a comet.

What I will say is, just because someone chooses not believe what another person believes, it does not make anyone on here "sheeple". The vast majority are aware of comet elenin and "big IF" it is Planet x, there is not a damn thing you can do about it.


on the subject of alignments of planets and seismic activity; while it's very theoretical, one possible explanation may be resonance. Just like an opera singer smashing a glass to smithereens with their voice, galactic scale resonance might be at work during alignments. Im not a scientist so don't take that as absolute. It's just an idea I had.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by my3911
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And if it did have a 3600 year orbit and was the mass of a brown Dwarf which is 8-10+ Jupiter Masses or more


Brown Dwarfs vary in size from the the size of Jupiter to 80 Jupiter masses. There is plenty other information here on brown dwarfs, it also supports the fact that most are only visible in infrared.

en.wikipedia.org...


And if it did have a 3600 year orbit and was the mass of a brown Dwarf which is 8-10+ Jupiter Masses or more.

All planets in the solar system orbits would be severely affected and not be as circular as they are.

You're just spreading fear; you're a fear monger and a dis-info agent.

I guess you forgot to address the factoid that the orbits of the planets would be completely different than they are today, if we did have a brown dwarf with a 3600 year highly elliptical orbit as you suggested in your OP post.

You will not get another response from me because by your response i can tell you're trolling; by dodging the real counter argument that throws the Brown Dwarf 3600 year elliptical orbit idea out the window.

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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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I found a website that claims Elenin will be here (10h27m21.8s +8 12'51.1) at 8pm tonight.
I typed the Coordinates into Sky-Map.org and zoomed in.
This is a screenshot of what I saw.
imageshack.us...



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Nice picture, however that can not be C/2010 X1, as SKY-MAP.org is not real time! Also , it appears that they map outside of our solar system only.

From SKY-MAP.org Frequently Asked Questions:


Why can’t I find our Solar System’s objects?

Currently we only provide the map of the space objects located outside of our Solar System.


and as for SKY-MAP coverage:


The DR5 contains that part of the SDSS imaging and spectroscopy taken through July 1, 2005. Here we give coverage plots and the detailed coverage tables from which they were constructed. Further below, we outline the future sky coverage of SDSS. The survey terms are explained in the sections on imaging coverage and spectroscopic coverage below.


Link: Sky coverage



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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These are some of the same observations I have posted on this thread. I appreciate your input and verification of my posts. I'll continue to track the data and I'll probably have to create a new thread with my updated data in mid June since this one is so out of control. Anyway, let's hope we are wrong. I would really like to just laugh about this and continue my life, but in the mean time, I am preparing just in case.

Cheers



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by JarsCloutLife
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Nice picture, however that can not be C/2010 X1, as SKY-MAP.org is not real time! Also , it appears that they map outside of our solar system only.

From SKY-MAP.org Frequently Asked Questions:


Why can’t I find our Solar System’s objects?

Currently we only provide the map of the space objects located outside of our Solar System.


and as for SKY-MAP coverage:


The DR5 contains that part of the SDSS imaging and spectroscopy taken through July 1, 2005. Here we give coverage plots and the detailed coverage tables from which they were constructed. Further below, we outline the future sky coverage of SDSS. The survey terms are explained in the sections on imaging coverage and spectroscopic coverage below.


Link: Sky coverage


Can you recommend any real time astronomy programs? I'd like to replace google sky.
EDIT: Is celestia any good?
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