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Originally posted by Phage
That's an opinion. As distinct from proof, which you freely admit you don't have.
Yup. Everything I say, unless I say otherwise, is my opinion. But my opinion is backup up by logic and science.
Originally posted by Phage
The logic lies in the fact that there is no evidence that it is happening.
Originally posted by Phage
I am free to have my opinions as you are free to have yours.
But when you must fiddle with definitions and when your arguments are circular, the logic behind your opinions falls down.
Come on Phage, you already know there is no authority on "the" definition of the word "chemtrail."
Originally posted by Phage
Come on Phage, you already know there is no authority on "the" definition of the word "chemtrail."
How nice for you then.
You can claim "chemtrails" are anything you want them to be.
You can claim they look just like cloud seeding because they are. You can claim they look just like crop dusting because they are.
Round and round. Don't you get dizzy?
Chemtrails, coming from "chemical trails" in the same fashion that contrail comes from "condensation trail" is a term coined to suggest that contrails are formed by something other than a natural process of engine exhaust hitting the cold air in the atmosphere. Proponents of chemtrails characterize these chemical trails as streams that persist for hours, and by their criss-crossing, grid-like patterns, or parallel stripes which eventually blend to form large clouds. Proponents view the presence of visible color spectra in the streams, unusual concentrations of sky tracks in a single area, or lingering tracks left by unmarked or military airplanes flying in atypical altitudes or locations as markers of chemtrails.
He stated that when a jet airplane flies at a certain altitude, a visible trail of streaks of condensed water vapor sometimes form in the wake of the aircraft. This is called a contrail. Contrails are normal and usually dissipate in a few seconds. They are very similar to when we breathe in cold weather. According to Oliveira, what occurs behind a SAG plane spraying aerosols is quite different. What can be seen is a thick white line also called a chemtrail that lingers in the sky for several hours. The SAG lines are sprayed into the upper atmosphere and then spread out forming what then appear to be clouds. The particles from these aerosols then fall to the ground where they enter our soil and water and can also be inhaled.
Originally posted by Phage
I'll use the definition that the "chemtrail" believers
Why are cloudseeding, contrails, and crop dusting not chemical trails?
Anyway, when variables in the equation change, it is not the same equation, period. Rectangles and squares! Containers and the contained. You can "debunk" that all you want, but the reality is different, and the equations are different, even if the outcome is the same. 2+2=4 and 3+1=4 are different despite having the same result.
but also that: The claim is that chemtrails allready exist, and that there has not been any evidence brought to attention that hasn't been dimessed as false or hoax
Originally posted by sinohptik
reply to post by Phage
Lets just go ahead and agree to disagree phage, even though i was only trying to figure out where you were coming from, as i related where i was coming from.
Originally posted by adeclerk
Originally posted by sinohptik
reply to post by Phage
Lets just go ahead and agree to disagree phage, even though i was only trying to figure out where you were coming from, as i related where i was coming from.
I'll agree that regardless, you are still wrong.
Originally posted by sinohptik
Remember though, i said i agree that conspiracy defined chemical trails are unlikely. So, im not quite sure what you are saying...
Originally posted by adeclerk
I believe in no conspiracies, sir.
Originally posted by Essan
Instead of using multiple moving goalposts, why not tell us what you mean by chemtrails. And then we can engage you in rational discussion.
You have a hypothesis. Tell us what it is and how it may be falsified.