China admits to dumping chemtrails for weather modification. What do they look like??

Originally posted by bsbray11


Here is a picture originally from china-briefing.com showing a plane dropping chemicals in the air in China:

infranetlab.org...


Looks a lot like a "contrail" to me, so how do you tell the difference?

For one thing it's too low to produce a contrail (unless it's a very, very long lens) and it looks nothing like cloud seeding (first clue...no clouds). Looks like a fire fighter to me.
That photo comes from here.
www.istockphoto.com...
Here's more about the Air Tractor:
www.airtractor.com...

Originally posted by jaydeePNW

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by jaydeePNW
Cloud seeding is not "chemtrails".

Says who?

As far as I can tell, people like you trying to act as some authority in defining the word, is just part of the disinformation campaign.

jeez man. Read the links I provided.

Why don't you read the article I posted?

That article shows you that people do consider planes dumping chemicals to modify weather patterns a form of chemtrails.

Cloud seeding doesn't use Aluminum and Barium. That won't seed clouds. Cloud seeding is the act fo creating clouds. Get it? Seed? think of what a seed does. You put it in the ground and something grows. Cloud Seeding grows clouds. They use silver iodide and dry ice as the seed and then it grows the clouds.... Aluminum and Barium do not do that. That is were the ORIGINAL post fails and that is what we are talking about. If you want to believe in chemtrails fine, however cloud seeding is not that.

The OP mentions sivler iodide and dry ice being used specifically by the Chinese, so I have no idea what you are talking about claiming that that is where the OP "fails."

As far as the other chemicals mention in the other article I posted, you've done nothing to explain what the article was talking about and seem to have just ignored the entire thing. And from the way you talk about what's possible and what's not, I take it you have had close personal experiences with weather modification projects?

how about you post a picture of a confirmed chemtrail from anywhere in the world, and i will post contrail pictures to compare side by side.
I would but i have found no pictures of any confirmed chemtrails anywhere.

reply to post by jaydeePNW


I think you are almost right. Cloud seeding provides nucleation particles, to trigger further condensing of cloud droplets to finally produce raindrops. It is only done to clouds that are capable of producing rain; kind of a kick to get it all started. They do not make clouds.

Now expect the believers to chime in that we are wrong........

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by bsbray11
Looks a lot like a "contrail" to me, so how do you tell the difference?

For one thing it's too low to produce a contrail (unless it's a very, very long lens). Looks like a fire fighter to me.

Well that's your 2 cents then I guess isn't it?


If that image isn't a Chinese plane seeding clouds with chemicals like the source claimed, then can you please show any other image of a Chinese plane dumping these chemicals so we can compare?

You people are always saying "it's this" or "it's that" without any apparent comparison whatsoever. I'm sorry but I don't take you as any authority. You're going to need to show some actual substance if you want to keep peddling your excuses.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
how about you post a picture of a confirmed chemtrail from anywhere in the world, and i will post contrail pictures to compare side by side.
I would but i have found no pictures of any confirmed chemtrails anywhere.

That is exactly what I'm asking, except I include weather-modifying chemical dumps in the term "chemtrails" whereas you don't because there is no way you can deny that this does in fact happen.

Nonetheless, again, I am asking for someone to compare these weather-modifying chemical dumps to contrails.

What is this "obvious difference" that none of you can even show?

it is difficult to find pictures of cloud seeding because it is done just above or actually in the already occurring clouds

Originally posted by bsbray11

Chemicals dumped into the air, leaving trails, for weather modification. I am asking you to compare those to contrails. When you finally figure out what all these words mean, let me know, please.

Oh I know what those words mean - they jsut aren't chemtrails as is commonly understood.

You've been told why - and yo continue to drivel on....

You know what your video of cloud-seeding looked like to me? Contrails!

You're not very observant - can't spot links on wiki, can't see the obvious differences between contrails & cloud seeding flares:

1/ cloud seeding comes from specific aparatus added to the a/c, contrails come from engines
2/ cloud seeding comes straight from the aparatus, contrails have a clear gap between them and the engine
3/ cloud seeding flares burn with a small flame, contrails have no such flame ateh start
4/ Cloud seeding planes fly low and around rain clouds, contrail planes fly high and in clear blue sky (or with cirrus around)

1/ You can't even see any plane in many/most photographs of chemtrails/contrails, or at least close enough to tell where they are coming from on the plane.
2/ Same thing.
3/ Again... same thing.
4/ Many photos claiming chemtrails are low to the ground and around other cloud formations!

1, 2 and 3/ there are multiple close up photos and videos arpound the 'net that you could look at - but we know you don't bother

4/ What photos are are close to teh ground, and I mentioned cirrus clouds - there are also photos of a/c making contrails well above "ordinary" clouds such as this one - www.flickr.com... - I would guess the clouds are several thousand metres below the 747.

From what you're telling me, there is no way you can tell a contrail from a chemtrail, unless you actually see the plane close enough to tell what on the plane is spewing it.

As I said t- there are several ways you could tell cloud seeding from a contrail - the lsit isn't limited to the above - here's some more:

1/ contrails are almost invariably at such a high altitude you can't see the aircraft, and they come from jets (usually but not always)

2/ Cloud seeding is almost always done at low altitude, the aircraft have specific equipment fited for it that is patently obvious, they are usually small piston engined a/c (although IIRC NOAA used it's P-3's for some a decade or 3 ago?), or occasinoally small turboprops.

But hey - if you had any idea what it was you were talking about you would know that already - JAFIC

Originally posted by stars15k
reply to post by jaydeePNW

 

I think you are almost right. Cloud seeding provides nucleation particles, to trigger further condensing of cloud droplets to finally produce raindrops. It is only done to clouds that are capable of producing rain; kind of a kick to get it all started. They do not make clouds.

Now expect the believers to chime in that we are wrong........

yeah, growing clouds maybe not so much but it seeds the clouds so it does rain? In either event it isn't chemtrails as defined by the chemtrailers... Chemtrailers say it is Aluminum and Barium. Those don't seed clouds. Silver iodine is a chemical I guess but so is jet exaust.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
it is difficult to find pictures of cloud seeding because it is done just above or actually in the already occurring clouds

Then why do you expect me to just take your word for it when you claim there is some difference between weather-modifying chemical dumps and contrails? You really think I'm just going to take your word for it, when I don't even know you?

If you can't show a comparison then there is no point in trying to address the OP, because that is what the OP asks. Move on.

reply to post by bsbray11

No. I can't provide an image of a Chinese cloud seeding operation.
It's pretty hard to provide an image from the ground of any cloud seeding operation because they are usually done inside or very close to the bottoms of clouds. But here's a video of what you would see from inside the plane. Not much like a contrail or a "chemtrail".

reply to post by bsbray11


show me a picture of either and it is easily identifiable as one or the other. other than cloud seeding, no chemical dumping by aircraft is done at any altitude that would produce a "chemtrail" ALL pictures from high altitude are 100% contrail or exhaust...as from spacecraft launches. missles etc.

Originally posted by bsbray11


The OP mentions sivler iodide and dry ice being used specifically by the Chinese, so I have no idea what you are talking about claiming that that is where the OP "fails."

As far as the other chemicals mention in the other article I posted, you've done nothing to explain what the article was talking about and seem to have just ignored the entire thing. And from the way you talk about what's possible and what's not, I take it you have had close personal experiences with weather modification projects?

I can only assume you are trolling now so I will digress.

If there is NO way to discern a chemtrail from a contrail then I think science has lost all credibility. If commercial planes are using (dumping, spraying, etc...) then a simple test for those chemicals should prove positive that the emissions from the jets are not normal.

Collect a sample (a bunch of them) for comparision, and have them tested. Compare them to the hundreds of samples collected throughout this hypothosis, and come to some kind of scientific awnser.

Test the fuel in the jets, test the fuel from the suppliers, test everything just like you were a real scientist looking for a real awnser. Then conclusively assemble the data, chart it, compare it, and make a ruling based on the science that was used to test everything.

Record dates, times, locations, people's testimony, flight records, ect...test it all, chart it all, and get to the bottom of all this stuff for once.

Thats what I would do if I cared enough to worry and argue about it. Just saying...get some facts.

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how can you be so dense as to not see the comparison pics i showed you... and those that others have posted. seems you want to argue the point but ignore the evidence you have seen from several posters.

you cant discuss religion with a zealot.....

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by bsbray11
Chemicals dumped into the air, leaving trails, for weather modification. I am asking you to compare those to contrails. When you finally figure out what all these words mean, let me know, please.

Oh I know what those words mean - they jsut aren't chemtrails as is commonly understood.

No one ever gave you the authority to define the word "chemtrail." Is that really the best argument you can mount? A semantic argument?

Whether you call it chemtrails or not, chemicals are dumped into the air in weather modification attempts, and you want me to believe there is some visual difference between this and contrails, no? Then what is it?

1, 2 and 3/ there are multiple close up photos and videos arpound the 'net that you could look at - but we know you don't bother

So there are videos of planes making contrails. Do you think I'm saying contrails don't exist? No, that is not what I'm saying. Your point is moot.

4/ What photos are are close to teh ground, and I mentioned cirrus clouds - there are also photos of a/c making contrails well above "ordinary" clouds such as this one - www.flickr.com... - I would guess the clouds are several thousand metres below the 747.

Again, you are misconstruing or simply do not understand what I am asking in the OP.


Let me give you an example.

A photo is posted of "clouds," all in straight lines across the sky, all at a relatively low altitude, and there are no planes to be seen.

Poster "A" says "Contrails!"

Poster "B" says "Chemtrails!"


How in the hell can you tell the difference just by looking?


The most honest answer from any poster here so far has been that they can't tell the difference just by looking. Do you have a better answer you've been saving up this whole time?

but the US is not one of those places where it is done openly

Wrong. It is openly done, and has many different companies that do it. Just because something is not well known does not mean it is done clandestinely for any reason. I live in the midwest. We get rain regularly. I would not ever expect to see a rainmaker in process because we don't need them. Even in the areas where they used, it's quite likely that the urban population isn't aware of it. Not that anybody cares, they just know when they turn on a tap anywhere they get water and that's enough. Now if you live in an semi-arid area and are agricultural in anyway, you would know all of this information.
For instance, I spin fibers into yarn. Have you heard about the fibers made from milk? Or corn? Or shrimp shells? No? I wouldn't expect you to. All exist openly, but they are of no consequence to you so you are not aware of them. Until you use them, you don't even think about it.
Savvy?

Originally posted by CaDreamer
how can you be so dense as to not see the comparison pics i showed you... and those that others have posted. seems you want to argue the point but ignore the evidence you have seen from several posters.

you cant discuss religion with a zealot.....

I already asked you how you could tell the difference between those photos, and you said the freaking articles that came with them. Here's a news flash: not every photo has an accompanying article.

You can keep posting this kind of substanceless drivel but you are consistently ignoring and misconstruing everything I tell you.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
show me a picture of either and it is easily identifiable as one or the other. other than cloud seeding, no chemical dumping by aircraft is done at any altitude that would produce a "chemtrail" ALL pictures from high altitude are 100% contrail or exhaust...as from spacecraft launches. missles etc.

If there is any actual argument within this post, it's an argument from authority and you just want me to take your word for it. You claim it's easy to tell the difference but still I haven't seen any actual substance to this effect. Not all "contrails" are high-altitude.

Cloud seeding is done from airplanes with silver iodide flares so what are you expecting to see OP?

Here is a video of firepilot cloud seeding in mali from the bbc (he is the pilot, btw).