reply to post by laffoe
["Cutting through those systems made up by ego - it is possibly for all of us to dwell into the loving presence of God."]
After your initial building up a canvass (always a good thing if not too long) you arrive at this statement, which is the same as myriad of theists
have presented before, and which is a postulate, or the result of doctrinal arguing/indoctrination.
Anyway there exist other systems relating to 'ego' with practically opposite conclusions. Systems which imo is better validated (to the extent
validation can be done in trans-cosmic scenarios).
Quote: ["All of our fear, doubt and shame"]
Speak for yourself. Don't use inclusive words like "our" fear etc.
Quote: ["God knows them too"]
Condition one: 'God's existence is debatable. Condition two: 'God' must be demonstrated to be omniscient to be able to correspond with your
Quote: [" Ask for foregiveness"]
Quote: [" Ask for Him to enter within your heart"]
Even if this entity should exist in one form or another, the last thing I would want is to have it in my heart. I have no intentions of becoming a
Quote: [" Ask for reality"]
I've done that for 45 years now, and I make slow, but steady progress. The main obstacle (apart loudmouthed and stupid, fascist politicians) is
Quote: [" My daughter had confirmaton today, the quote she choose was: One who does not love does not know God, because God is love."]
What about those, who DO love, but are uninterested in 'god'?
Quote: ["God is so much more than love, but basically that is our gateway to him.... Love"]
The character from OT was schizoid, sociopathic, a control-freak and genocidal. I can do without that kind of love.
Quote: [" Resonating within, being more and more aligned with the loving nature of God,..."]
I resonate just fine without 'god'.
Quote: ["which naturally makes a thirst for Unity and sharing (we are all from the same source),"]
Ofcourse a source defined by you or your pastor.
Quote: ["some things made me wonder."]
That makes two of us.
Quote: ["Why are we so sensitive to all those influences from the environment, from others who wish to control us?"]
Including preachers and religionist missionaries? They don't control me, mate.
Quote: ["And who is it really we let have that control of us."]
Building up to a predetermined answer, are you?
Quote: ["What is free will?"]
Absense of compulsion.
Quote: [" Is it really free when we can be controlled or greatly influenced..."]
It's definitely more difficult, when there are control-freaks like Jahveh and his gang hanging around.
Quote: ["Call it mindcontrol, brainwash or whatever What about or Free Will and Mother Nature? Can you honestly say we love and respect her?"]
What kind of question is that? Or is it just sniping at wiccas and environmentalists?
Quote: ["God on the other hand. Knows you from within... have always been with you"]
Must be demonstrated to exist and be omniscient first; as above.
Quote: ["Sees through duality"]
Allegedly he created duality, so if he exists, he ought to know it.
Quote: [" God knows everything - Sees 1000 steps ahead, know you by the soul, know what has to be learned, what will make you path continue the best
and loving way. God is all inclusive, opposite our egoes He seeks what is best for the whole, out of awareness of Unity"]
You said most of this above. Personally I got it the first time.
Quote: [" God wants only to amaze and to love you "]
People are probably very amazed by being burned for no obvious reasons and on top being told, that it's for their own good.
Quote: ["If we look at our bodies, every cell does its work out of alignment with the homeostasis. Every cell does its job out of the will to serve
the greater good. You´ll see even cell sacrificing theit own existence to serve Unity."]
So now we have 'sacrifice' sneaked into it, through misuse of allegory.
Quote: ["When I look at this world we have created, the systems we have made. I see a lot of suffering, chaos and confusion."]
Suffering existed long before mankind arrived at the cosmic scene. But please, please, make my day and start on creationism.
Quote: ["Some try to bake their own cake...)
Not those people I know, who take utilitarian morality seriously or who try to support the ideals of liberal, egalitarian, secular democracy.
Quote: ["Some are just confused and don´t know which step to take"]
And more are just mentally lazy, brainwashed or unwilling to take personal responsibility.
Quote: ["Then it hit me I´ll give up my free will God knows me, only wants the best for me and for us all Really what I want myself, just always
don´t know to get there. God does"]
Dude, that's YOUR choice.
Quote: ["So I´ll bow and surrender to Him, give up my free will so to say"]. ...etc
Very cute, and if it suits you, good for you.
Quote: ["I know that is what I want. What my loving Family want."]
Do you have children too young to understand such positions?
Altogether the standard sermon made a zillion times before. You're here to preach? I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. But we have free speech, so
give it a try.