Russian and Ukrain Medics in Libya - Open Appeal to UN to Stop The Genocide.

This morning the Independent newspaper (UK) is reporting that many hundreds of men & boys have been snatched from the city of Misrata by forces loyal to Gaddafi.

The lifting of the siege of the embattled Libyan city of Misrata has revealed the disappearance of hundreds of people with many of them suspected victims of snatch squads loyal to the Gaddafi regime, relatives and rights workers said yesterday. A desperate search has begun for "the disappeared", many of whom were reported to have been taken away to regime prisons or killed during some of the fiercest fighting of a three-month rebel uprising that has reduced parts of the city to rubble. Witness accounts gathered by The Independent and rights groups indicate that there was a systematic attempt to kidnap men from parts of the city.

The Independent

Their fate is unknown. Sounds rather like another Srebrenica, doesn't it ? Otherwise known to many as the Srebrenica genocide.

I wonder what the good doctors & medics of this email think about this obscenity ? Assuming they even exist in the first place. Can we expect an email to the UN Secretary General ? Or can we expect them to demonstrate on the streets of Tripoli against Gadaffi ?

Eh, no.

Originally posted by Equinox99
None of that matters.

Did you leave your critical faculties at the door?

The medic's letter was published by Pravda, Libya is a socialist country that NATO has invaded. Russia abstained from the UN vote and then openly critized the invasion.

There have been some news reports about the work of medical staff in other 'Arab Spring' countries, whereby people working to the Hippocratic Oath have been arrested and charged with supporting insurgents! In my view, people working to preserve life make more credible witnesses than the propagandist war-machines and polarised ideologues.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Remember, it is the PEOPLE of Libya seeking liberation, democracy and freedom.

So you've bought into the pro-western propaganda that supports the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation and deliberate destruction of that nation's infrastructure and focused assassination, the installation of world bank and theft of national assets?

Originally posted by MajorKarma
reply to post by wcitizen

 

It is a perfect sign of the times that the Russian would be the "Good Guys" and yes, our country has been seized by the "Bad Guys". I was in Russia a few years ago, it was like the USA in the 70s, disco is in and the women there are more gorgeous women than ...well, let me put it this way, compared to the beaches of Southern California, Russia makes us look like a 3rd World Country. So, why don't I go there? I wish I was rich and could.

I just don't get why people are hung up on the nationality of the medics. Every time there's a massive tragedy, medics from all over the world go to that country and help. Many of them speak out. If this had been European or US medics speaking out, no-one would have batted an eyelid.

It happens that in this case it's Russian and Ukraine medics - decent human beings who are there to help. Their nationality is of no consequence, imo, they are simply human beings like you and I who have gone there to help and been horrified by what they see.

To fucus on the nationality of the medics is to conveniently avoid the real issue.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
"Prepared for publication by:
Lisa Karpova
Pravda.Ru "

Bravo

One of the most brilliantly composed and orchestrated propaganda letters I have ever been privileged to read.

You have to admire how well the truth is blended with complete and utter shist.

Very impressive effort, but is doomed to fail, unless somehow the oil in Libya can be removed from the equation.



Everyone else, (including the Russians) have other more specific interests there.

edit on 29-5-2011 by Fractured.Facade because: (no reason given)

Do you understand the words you are reading on the page? Prepared for publication DOES NOT mean 'wrote the letter'.

In what sense is the truth blended with innacurate information? Please provide the evidence which shows why you came to such a conclusion.

Your comment:

Remember, it is the PEOPLE of Libya seeking liberation, democracy and freedom.

Seems to completely ignore the fact that the NATO forces are NOT the people of Libya.

We have NO right to be there and NO reason to have waged war on this country. This is an illegal war. There was NO threat to any of the NATO countries, and in any case, pre-emptive attacks are illegal under international law.

Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by Exforcesuk
reply to post by wcitizen

 

to steal and control their oil....again.

I have been led to believe that Godaffi wanted to trade oil for gold and stop using the dollar and the euro ! Hence Americas invasion to save their dollar.

Either way an unjustified invasion that needs stopping.

When was Libya invaded? And it if it was about the dollar, why did Europe then push for action against Khaddafi?

lol where the hell you been the last few months? and his post clearly mentions the euro...that would explain europes involvement.

Nato blockaded Libya.
Did any one just notice the blockade of Texas that almost just happened?
it was only averted by skullduggery by Obama lack-ies ...the grope is ON
the invasion of Arizona?
We sue you if you defend yourself
Obama the fed is supporting the Mexican rebels (Cartels ) who are "rebeling" against the US

every step
is one more step towards
legitimizing TYRANNY on the people
all the people
everywhere

I'm not sure in what CAVE you guys were born, but nowadays you can talk with people from Libya to find out what's actually happening over there.

Maybe this article will give you a @#$@@#$ hint.

shabablibya.org... s-libya

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze



Not quite, bush had 'permission' as required.

Originally posted by teapot

Originally posted by projectvxn
Why is it that every time the US or the EU launches a military campaign of any sort it's "Genocide". Do you people even know WTF genocide means? Why throw that term around so loosely?

I'm not saying that I agree with the Libya campaign, I think it's a waste of time. But it is NOT a genocide.

edit on 29-5-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

Russian and Ukranian medics working on the ground were the ones who referred to NATO actions in Libya being 'genocide'. Are you suggesting they are not being fully truthful about that? That NATO bombing campains are not indiscriminately killing Libyans, decimating the Libyan population?

Well, when in the same breathe they praise China as 'the most righteous' country on the Security Council, that's not far fetched to doubt the use of the words like 'genocide' to describe the current course of affairs in Lybia.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by SyphonX

 

Oh please.

No one is bombing Libyan neighborhoods...Except maybe Libyans themselves. most of the fighting and dying is taking place among Libyans.

I take exception to the notion that this is a US/NATO/EU lead "genocide". It's BS and you and everyone else here knows it.

You are completely positive because... you are in libya at the moment and cruising around in your Humvee or a well informed US government official right?

reply to post by blackrain17


If that is your logic, then how do you even know Libya exists?
You should be ashamed of yourself, having an internet full of knowledge and this is what you do with it.

I find it quite insulting that they are comparing this to the mass killing of Jews, Rwanda etc etc. It seems projectvxn is one of the only people making sense in this topic. The whole conflict is awful. Deaths of innocent civilians are awful. But to call this thing a genocide makes me sick.

On a side note. I do love how people always refuse to disregard the official story of things but blindly follow some random letter on a website. For all we know the medics don't even exist, yet half of you are following what it says. An average joe can make up just as much bs as a government can. It's only words on a computer screen; they mean nothing... I'd like to see some evidence please. Double standards much...

I agree that their comment praising china as "the most righteous country" is indeed quite ridiculous considering their recent genocide on natives in rural parts of china under the guise of the 'war on terror' (lets face it, not only NATO have benefited from this lie) and their human rights record in the past, as well as their rather undesirable labour laws and conditions.

However, if we are to look at recent history and measure up the worlds superpowers, it would seem china are the 'better' nation (Ha) slightly, in that they haven't launched a number of wars of aggression that have decimated native populations, destroyed cultures and cost their OWN economies dearly as well as the lives of their own soldiers - perhaps why now they are reaping all the benefits and speeding ahead in terms of economic prowess. Despite this I am in no way a chinese apologist, having been to the country I have witnessed the post-communist situation and the lives of the poor and it is most tragic indeed, however not much of a far cry from deprived areas of NATO countries.

What astounds me is people are affirmed on the belief that the Libya conflict is for humanitarian reasons, a tired excuse which has been recycled for years now. The cost/reward of invasion on a strictly humanitarian basis at the time of huge national debt would not be worth it in the slightest, despite the killings, as evident by the fact we do not bomb every single country with similar problems as we'd ultimately have to bomb a large portion of the world to do so; we merely attack the ones which we would reap the most benefits from. A brief review of foreign policy history shows that the excuse of humanitarian intervention has been used including Vietnam (to save the south from communist aggression/genocide) up to current day (Iraq,Libya) and is an easy way to stir support in a time when nationalism/patriotism is wavering.

The catch is that often humanitarian intervention (by force) causes much more dire consequences than previously, for example Iraq becoming a third world country as it's infrastructure was obliterated and aid halted. Saving civilians as grounds for an attack is propaganda in every sense of the word, as there has been not one case in which the situation has been improved as a result, with huge portions of the population destroyed and the average life expectancy severely lowered. The truth is yes he will likely have attacked his native population (Ghadaffi) but this will only have been released to the press due to economic policies he will have put in place that challenged NATO hegemony.

It is a fact that the US and its allies know of atrocities committed across the world but only release them when they stop bowing to NATO and its economic demands, or refuse entirely - for example Nicaragua and Cuba in the past yet completely overlooking the US client gov. atrocities in guatemala and el salvador; or the release of Turkey's questionable human rights record when they supported their population in the challenge against invasion of Iraq (with over 90% of the population voting against, however US accused them of being undemocratic as they didn't follow the US word).

Originally posted by martiendejong2
reply to post by blackrain17

 

If that is your logic, then how do you even know Libya exists?
You should be ashamed of yourself, having an internet full of knowledge and this is what you do with it.

I should be ashamed of myself? Hahahaha... Stupid logic deserves stupid logic. Obviously you are too stupid to realize this.

Anyway, since you are so full of information, why don't you tell me, what's really going on in Libya and do you expect US to invade that country any time soon or did it already happen?

reply to post by blackrain17


If you scroll a bit upward you will be able to see my post showing why the UN decided to help support a no-fly zone above Libya, and why they are now there which is to help prevent genocide.
If you do a google search on libya genocide, you will find links to video's showing Gadaffi's troops killing innocent people.
There are also many reports of Gadaffi followers killing innocent Libyans in their homes or deporting them to wherever.

Now if the UN was committing genocide this means hundreds, maybe thousands of soldiers from all sorts of countries are doing this. And it is unreported as well.

Do you now understand?

reply to post by loOranks


'Most righteous and sober!'

Observing and noting the appeals to allegience is interesting.

In the posted article it says.

We do not have internet connection in Libya for about 2 months. It took us a week to find a possibility to e-mail our Appeal, but we do not know when we get access to the internet again. That is why we ask people themselves to spread this letter everywhere possible - to internet sites, news agencies, Human Rights and other international and national organizations, even to one's own friends.



Here's the article it was lifted from. www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru... ... eId=249501

Not sure it's even a real organization. But if it's truly the case that Libyans have not had internet since the inception of the bombing, how do we know for sure that ANYthing is happening?

Russians are evil, the west is the best, all muslims are radicals, and the earth is still flat

Throw this in the melting pot:

- In the last day or so Russia has suddenly backed quite strongly the actions of the Europeans. I cannot understand the turn of feeling on this one. I think it was Mehedev himself who backed action to get rid of Ghadaffi.
- Yes I do believe that US are doing very little in this war (apart from possibly some logistics) - which is why France and UK are struggling,. they simply do not have the fire power.