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Adam Kokesh Body Slammed for Dancing at Jefferson Memorial

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posted on May, 30 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
You would embrace anarchy? I think you would find that you had less "freedom" with anarchy.


Thank you for your logical and realistic posts.

I mentioned earlier that we had more freedom in the 50s - - because we actually had less social acceptable freedoms. The more individual freedoms we get - - the more we become restricted. BECAUSE - - personal freedom requires responsibility. Irresponsible people taking advantage of freedoms - - is the reason laws to restrict are made.

I would love to live in a Utopia where all individuals are responsible. Wouldn't you? But we don't.







Smarter men than I have expressed it eloquently....

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience”

Albert Camus

uno mas....

“The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves.” anon

and one even more appropriate because this whole exercise in repression was carried out at the Jefferson Memorial....


“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”

Thomas Jefferson

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posted on May, 30 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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Alright since we brought up Lewis again, I am going to repost the wiki entry about his book, The Screwtape Letters, just so everyone knows he was coming from a Christian viewpoint. For the record, the Totalitarian viewpoint seeks to eliminate religion, and the Russian experiment with communism clearly shows that. Fascism and Communism both clearly share a desire to control its populace in a totalitarian manner, whether through excessive legislation, arbitary laws on health and other matters ostensibly for our own good(think seat belt laws) and excessive police force. What is often not brought up is that communist activists believe that laws can be created just so they can be broken in anarchich protest. Communist agitators said as much at Kent State in the 60's. How much have we learned since then?
en.wikipedia.org...

The Screwtape Letters comprises thirty-one letters written by a senior demon named Screwtape to his nephew, a young demon named Wormwood. Screwtape's letters contain advice for how to turn Wormwood's "Patient", an ordinary man living in war-time England, toward "Our Father Below" (Devil / Satan) and away from "the Enemy" (God).


After the second letter, the Patient converts to Christianity, and Wormwood is chastised for allowing this to happen. Screwtape notes however, that they have the advantage of distraction, which could potentially dull his new faith. A striking contrast is formed between Wormwood and Screwtape during the rest of the book. Wormwood is depicted through Screwtape's letters as much closer to what conventional wisdom has said about demons, i.e., wanting to tempt his patient into extravagantly wicked and deplorable sins and constantly writing about the war that is going on for the latter half of the book. Screwtape, on the other hand, is not interested in getting the patient to commit anything spectacularly evil, saying that "the safest path to hell is the gradual one." He sees a demon's primary goal to befuddle, confuse, and eventually corrupt a person rather than to tempt.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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I love great quotes. They fit their time. Not everything transcends time.

I have my doubts these same men - - would express the same thoughts today.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Annee
I love great quotes. They fit their time. Not everything transcends time.

I have my doubts these same men - - would express the same thoughts today.


Yeah because they would have grown up in the state run prison schools, learning the state run curriculum.

So you are right, they probably wouldn't have the eloquence to word things as well as they did.

If you're trying to say that times are different, and the ideals they had no longer apply, well then you are my enemy.

Nothing has really changed.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Gotta love Jefferson quotes...

How about this one:

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

Nuff said?




posted on May, 30 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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More relevant Jefferson quotes:

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?"

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all."



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Annee
I love great quotes. They fit their time. Not everything transcends time.

I have my doubts these same men - - would express the same thoughts today.



Here's a cool quote....

“In a heated argument we lose sight of the truth”

Publilius Syrus


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posted on May, 30 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by Annee
I love great quotes. They fit their time. Not everything transcends time.

I have my doubts these same men - - would express the same thoughts today.



Here's a cool quote....

“In a heated argument we lose sight of the truth”

Publilius Syrus


Are you heated?

Who's truth exactly?
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posted on May, 30 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by Tephra

Originally posted by Annee
I love great quotes. They fit their time. Not everything transcends time.

I have my doubts these same men - - would express the same thoughts today.


Yeah because they would have grown up in the state run prison schools, learning the state run curriculum.

So you are right, they probably wouldn't have the eloquence to word things as well as they did.

If you're trying to say that times are different, and the ideals they had no longer apply, well then you are my enemy.

Nothing has really changed.


Hey it was different times. Today is different times and thinking from 50 years ago.

I've helped raise several generations. I was married and raising my little brother - who was a musician with a rock band in high school. I drove them to gigs and hung out with their generation. I raised my own 2 daughters during the 60s/70s/80s. Then I helped raise my now 17 year old grandson. Now I am raising my 11 year old granddaughter and 3 1/2 year old grandson.

I've seen thinking change over the years.

Yes - absolutely things change.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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Adam announces on Free Talk Live another dance party sat at the Jefferson memorial

Part 1 of interview


Part 2 of interview



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Tephra

Originally posted by Annee
I love great quotes. They fit their time. Not everything transcends time.

I have my doubts these same men - - would express the same thoughts today.


Yeah because they would have grown up in the state run prison schools, learning the state run curriculum.

So you are right, they probably wouldn't have the eloquence to word things as well as they did.

If you're trying to say that times are different, and the ideals they had no longer apply, well then you are my enemy.

Nothing has really changed.


Hey it was different times. Today is different times and thinking from 50 years ago.

I've helped raise several generations. I was married and raising my little brother - who was a musician with a rock band in high school. I drove them to gigs and hung out with their generation. I raised my own 2 daughters during the 60s/70s/80s. Then I helped raise my now 17 year old grandson. Now I am raising my 11 year old granddaughter and 3 1/2 year old grandson.

I've seen thinking change over the years.

Yes - absolutely things change.


This hasn't changed...



“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”

H. G. Wells



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa

“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”

H. G. Wells


Depends on what you apply it to.

The law enforcement of DC certainly didn't take the path of least resistance. That makes them the winner.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by whaaa

“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”

H. G. Wells


Depends on what you apply it to.

The law enforcement of DC certainly didn't take the path of least resistance. That makes them the winner.



I don't think Mr. Wells was talking about DC LEOs but of personal integrity, honesty and personal honor.

"Doing unto others" as it were....
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posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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You are confusing change for cycles.

This is the way of things, but no, it hasn't changed.

It's people like yourself, that allow the cycle to continue as it has.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by Tephra
reply to post by Annee
 


You are confusing change for cycles.

This is the way of things, but no, it hasn't changed.

It's people like yourself, that allow the cycle to continue as it has.


No I'm not.

People like me? People that have lived long enough to see things change?

Uh huh.



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa
I don't think Mr. Wells was talking about DC LEOs but of personal integrity, honesty and personal honor.

"Doing unto others" as it were....


Oh - - so now you are deciding who has persona integrity, honesty and personal honor?

Not Law Enforcement - - - who put their life on the line to enforce laws - - - but an attention seeking "whatever ".

OoooooooooooooKay!



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Since we are using quotes from old dead men to validate our arguments...I guess I'll use one from Jefferson as well.


The earth belongs to the living, not to the dead.
Thomas Jefferson


So yeah...let's think for ourselves and make decisions in our own time based on the current state of the world...not continue to try to live in the past.


And I'll close with another.


The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory.
Thomas Jefferson

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posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Annee
I love great quotes. They fit their time. Not everything transcends time.

I have my doubts these same men - - would express the same thoughts today.


BS Annee.

Most quotes DO transcend time, and that is why they are so often used as quotes.

For crying out loud, people still quote Plato . . . 2600 years later.

But God forbid we quote the founding fathers 235 years later



posted on May, 30 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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So . . . their is no such thing as an absolute?

No absolutes is a fail view
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posted on May, 30 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
And I'll close with another.

The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory. Thomas Jefferson


Oh I like that one.

Only logic allows one to see both sides. If you get too invested - - you lose objectivity.
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