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Urban Thrival: the stock market....Self Training... At Hardknocks U

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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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Well yes I am going here... why survive when then real goal is to thrive...

Barring any BS shtf scenario I decided to place a bet against ATS.... (I am stinker I know)

So lets get something here everyone can use now...

To succeed in life one must first discard all OPINIONs given by everyone else... (yes you can includes this if you want) and build a solid base of ones own experience...

So after looking around I decided that their was a lack of present useful threads on the survival forum... Most seem to deal with if X happens then I will do Y


dont feel insulted this is more at myself then at any of you....


Well part of what I keep hearing both hear and offline is...

"I am broke.... ouch ouch ouch...."

Well let me start this off with you ...

No government is going to help you... The rats in office have sold us out... they are NOT caring about any thing that goes on...

they care about only the following...

staying in power...
the amount of money they can make
getting more money and power...

anything else they say is front office propaganda...

With this in mind you must think like the innocent man in prison...

Say this with me...

"I am Free..."

Remember that, write it down...


So, with all this in mind how can I use the tools that the powers that be have created against them...

A wise man once wrote,
"It is a poor nuclear blaster that cant point both ways...."

MONEY MONEY MONEY...

so I decided to start a more less informal training in the market....

My tool to train myself was something I found on the radio...

Updown.com

you get to start out with a mil and practice investing...

so far I only invested about 260g's of the mill

what is taking me so long is this...


I have broken my strategy into this...

Long term investments first....
so far that is about is going to three hundred thousand...

next daily hog-tradin part...

next shorts and buying margins...

next i have to find a few other things but for now this is some of the basics...

you gotta do the training part if you want to learn this aint the textbook you get an A if you are right...

its Hardknocks University... this is a case of you make more money then you spend you make more money well you lose money...

And who likes losing...the fun part this is time of your life you spent earning that money... trust me you will learn quickly or go broke...

The opening class is darwinistic mechanisms in self training in the stock market....

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Due to me trying to make sure all my threads meet the higher standard ATS requires I am adding this...

Stock Market



A stock market or equity market is a public (a loose network of economic transactions, not a physical facility or discrete) entity for the trading of company stock (shares) and derivatives at an agreed price; these are securities listed on a stock exchange as well as those only traded privately.

The size of the world stock market was estimated at about $36.6 trillion at the start of October 2008.[1] The total world derivatives market has been estimated at about $791 trillion face or nominal value,[2] 11 times the size of the entire world economy.[3] The value of the derivatives market, because it is stated in terms of notional values, cannot be directly compared to a stock or a fixed income security, which traditionally refers to an actual value. Moreover, the vast majority of derivatives 'cancel' each other out (i.e., a derivative 'bet' on an event occurring is offset by a comparable derivative 'bet' on the event not occurring). Many such relatively illiquid securities are valued as marked to model, rather than an actual market price.



and

Short Selling




In finance, short selling (also known as shorting or going short) is the practice of selling assets, usually securities, that have been borrowed from a third party (usually a broker) with the intention of buying identical assets back at a later date to return to the lender. It is a form of reverse trading. Mathematically, it is equivalent to buying a "negative" amount of the assets. The short seller hopes to profit from a decline in the price of the assets between the sale and the repurchase, as the seller will pay less to buy the assets than the seller received on selling them. Conversely, the short seller will incur a loss if the price of the assets rises. Other costs of shorting may include a fee for borrowing the assets and payment of any dividends paid on the borrowed assets. "Shorting" and "going short" also refer to entering into any derivative or other contract under which the investor profits from a fall in the value of an asset.


dont look at me it is an upcoming training class I havent taken yet...

Margin- wiki



Margin buying is buying securities with cash borrowed from a broker, using other securities as collateral. This has the effect of magnifying any profit or loss made on the securities. The securities serve as collateral for the loan. The net value, i.e. the difference between the value of the securities and the loan, is initially equal to the amount of one's own cash used. This difference has to stay above a minimum margin requirement, the purpose of which is to protect the broker against a fall in the value of the securities to the point that the investor can no longer cover the loan.


still looking into it

Stock valuation...



In financial markets, stock valuation is the method of calculating theoretical values of companies and their stocks. The main use of these methods is to predict future market prices, or more generally potential market prices, and thus to profit from price movement – stocks that are judged undervalued (with respect to their theoretical value) are bought, while stocks that are judged overvalued are sold, in the expectation that undervalued stocks will, on the whole, rise in value, while overvalued stocks will, on the whole, fall.

In the view of fundamental analysis, stock valuation based on fundamentals aims to give an estimate of their intrinsic value of the stock, based on predictions of the future cash flows and profitability of the business. Fundamental analysis may be replaced or augmented by market criteria – what the market will pay for the stock, without any necessary notion of intrinsic value. These can be combined as "predictions of future cash flows/profits (fundamental)", together with "what will the market pay for these profits?". These can be seen as "supply and demand" sides – what underlies the supply (of stock), and what drives the (market) demand for stock?

In the view of others, such as John Maynard Keynes, stock valuation is not a prediction but a convention, which serves to facilitate investment and ensure that stocks are liquid, despite being underpinned by an illiquid business and its illiquid investments, such as factories.


please learn to evaluate this stuff on your OWN....

a note of warning...
Enormous risk... yahoo . com




In "Reckless Endangerment," co-authors Gretchen Morgenson and Josh Rosner examine the origins of the crisis, starting in the early 1990s. The co-authors pull no punches and aren't shy about placing blame. (See: Reckless Endangerment: Morgenson, Rosner Name Names — Point Finger at Fannie Mae. )

Having taken a long, hard look back, I asked Morgenson and Rosner about what worries them today and looking forward.

Too Big to Fail: Now, Even Bigger!

"We have even more 'too big to fail' institutions; more politically interconnected, very deep and wide institutions that could create another systemic event," says Morgenson, a Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist at The New York Times. "It's almost as if the situation that brought us to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac having to be bailed out has now been squared or quadrupled. It's worse, not better."

Rosner, an analyst at Graham Fisher, wholeheartedly agrees.


what is funny... yes I have posted this link in my prediction thread...

what is even more hilarious...

you can actually make millions if the market crashes... if not billions....


keywords are leverage and/or position

lol...


the whole reason I list this is in hopes you can thrive while others fall....

to good ole HU




posted on May, 28 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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My strategy so far BTW has been sticking to area I know that even if the market crashes the companies might still be there because they provide services the communities need ...


They have a strong base and are spread wide...

Also a few gut shots i take...

After three days...




Your portfolio is at $1,003,872 , up 0.4% since you started.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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Given various SHTF scenarios... what companies do you think will still be there...

BTW here is a list of my companies i played with to date....




bac
ccf
dis
gen
intc
mmi
msi
t
txn
wmt

oln
swhc
ups
c
v
twx
rtn
f
dtv
rost

sbh
mo
bks
amd
s
lmt




stock symbols....



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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well my degree at hardknocks u is continuin....


lol... (spellz corectly no required!!!!!)


well my play market assets are way down btw( I have recovered about 20 g of the 40 i have lost...)

I am strolling through the news and this hits me...

Urban Thirval.... this is key...

Little house thousands of business registered here...

Before I read it I just about cried in tears... Fellow bidness men ....




A Reuters investigation has found the house at 2710 Thomes Avenue serves as a little Cayman Island on the Great Plains. It is the headquarters for Wyoming Corporate Services, a business-incorporation specialist that establishes firms which can be used as "shell" companies, paper entities able to hide assets.



Thanks MSM for the warning of what the feds are looking for....


Wyoming and Nevada scratched off the list.....


You see what they are complaining about is the people hiding things from them....





thank you msm idiots for telling ats'res where they might need to be looking... ...



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