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Originally posted by neo96
if it takes a person years to be ablie to pick up a gun and aim center mass within 10 to 20 feet and miss
then i feel sorry for them.
Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
The thing is ANYONE can eye gouge or groin strike, so your time should be spent learning a system and not just how to use dirty tactics.
edit on 29-5-2011 by v1rtu0s0 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
Hey there I have read most of the posts on this topic so far which is 8 pages. There seems to be a lot of back and forth over what is effective. Some of you agree a good bit and some of you say no no that's not the way, this way is better. I tend to find that anyone that says this way or that way is "the way" or "the best way" is very close minded. I am a lifelong admirer of the martial arts and am mostly self trained with a little formal training here and there. I had best friends in the martial arts all growing up, from black belts in TKD to a former Junior State Kickboxing Champ, a good friend who was in Krav Maga, to my best friend in high school who was mid level belt in about 5 different styles and then when into the Marine Corps and taught me a bit of what they were teaching him. Also my brother-in-law primarily sparred with me during the 2004-2005 year and became State Sparring Champ in ATA TKD that year. I am not bragging on myself btw just essentially giving my credentials so to speak, I also started studied Jeet Kune Do via books as well as some other fighting technique books written by Bruce Lee at a younger age. I have dabbled in Tae Kwon Do, Karate (at a younger age for a brief period), Krav Maga, Kickboxing, Military Martial Arts, Jeet Kune Do, and have even at one point gotten some pretty decent moves down from Capoeira, given this was when I was about 17, weighed less, and was much more flexible. I have no idea what my punching and kicking power are, never was tested on a machine. However I do believe that as far as not injuring yourself via knuckles etc. it's better to strike open handed than closed fist unless you've trained your bones to handle that kind of pounding. It has literally been 7 years or more since I have been in a fight, I have literally avoided those scenarios at all costs because I know what I can do when I am angry and someone will get hurt, which since I am mostly passive bothers me. However in a SHTF scenario I would not hesitate to kill someone standing in front of me just to make a point to other people standing around. If you're talking about Martial Law or Zombie Apocalypse type stuff then there will be lots of desperate people around willing to do almost anything for food, water, shelter, clothes, weapons, etc...or just anything at all that would better their chances at survival and if you happen upon a group like this and you look like you have something that they don't they will not hesitate to try and take it from you or your family. Desperation is what drives most people to commit violent crimes to begin with so logically it would happen the same way only on a wider scale since more people would become dangerously desperate in a short period of time. In this type of scenario I would use hand to hand as a last resort and if it was one person out of a group in this desperate situation that came after me like I said I would make an example out of him dispatching that person as violently as possible just to deter future aggressors from wanting any basically. I would use Gun or Knife first and if I didn't have any of these or had been previously not armed and not expecting an attack which is dumb in this type of situation but for the sake of argument I have nothing in my hands then I would fight hand to hand.
I agree with a point made earlier it is good for your first move to go after the throat.
1. Throat Strike
2. Kick to the Chin, Chest, or Knee immediately following throat strike.
3. Then as they will most likely be on the ground at this point if you are taking what I am saying situationally only and you are trying to dispatch that person to set an example, simply strike the side of their neck with a stomp or kick and you are good.
- They throw the first punch
1. Dodge and snap whatever limb is stretched out past you, most likely at the elbow of the extended arm.
2. You could then continue to hold on to said broken arm for leverage and wrench it up behind them in an arm bar.
3. You would then be behind them and would be able to grab them and choke them out. Pressing the back of their head slightly down into your arm with your hand or other arm, this further cuts off oxygen supply and renders them unconscious faster.
Typically someone is not going to lead with a kick in a fight but you never know they might know some martial arts too so assuming you already know some and they know some too, never underestimate someone with the cajones to lead off with a kick, obviously one of two or three things you can do here, either step in and reduce the distance between you and their kick before they can "snap" it so to speak, sweep the opposite leg, avoid the kick via side step, etc...just remember in these scenarios it's only really limited to your imagination, the best way to play these scenarios out is to get a friend and then go really slow to see how they would play out. If you practice these types of scenarios you can see what works for your particular body type etc...without the benefit of much training.
So in short No TYPE of martial art is markedly better than the other except with the exception of flashy showy martial arts versus those for practical street fighting applications, but all can be taken down to their base roots with some mental dissection and found to be effective in some way to you. Keep in mind I also have not seen anyone mention it's also about what area you are in and what Martial Arts you have available to you, number 1. they are not cheap to learn to begin with, 2. Depending on the form(s) of martial arts you are talking about not everyone is going to leave their state, city, or let alone country just to go off and learn Shaolin Kung Fu, or Ninjutsu.
For example: the area where I am in I have the option of TKD, Private lessons of Aggressive Street Shotokan Karate, Wing Chun, and that's about it. Take what is available to you and use it, if your state has a militia like mine does you can join your local militia and attend training from members that are former military who will teach you practical field survival skills, shooting, facts to know about drinking water, plants to eat in the wild, how to shoot a quarter at 300 yards etc....lol......Hope this helps.
Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
The problem with alot of these unheard of systems is that there is no where to train it and no "reputable" person that teaches it for everyone to learn from.
That's why you need to use something that has been tested, and proven in the real world, and that has a popular system.