Originally posted by OoohLaDeDa
Originally posted by smallpeeps
[...] So learning to hold, is to preserve life.
[...] My only problem with aikido, is believing it works. Whenever I see vids of it being performed it looks staged, like they are literally throwing
themselves. I guess I might have to check it out in person.
Yes I would say wholeheartedly for you to spend time in the Aikido dojo, but not to learn "victory", for that is a trick. Victory does not exist.
Oh sure in this UFC match or that one, there is "victory", but really now, can we call Mike Tyson, a victor? No, we cannot. He is a thug. Same
with Brock Lesnar, can we call him a victor? Not in the true sense of budo so far as I can see, these are fighters, who always lose in the long run,
because fighter becomes old-fighter who gets destroyed by young fighter. Therefore, fighting does not a priori produce victory.
Victory as a concept, exists with the sun. If victory is not yours yet, you have only the length of the day, to gain victory. Or shall the Royce
Gracie sleep on the floor with his opponent? Shall attacker and combatant snuggle in sleep, in the Gracie guard, then resume fighting as they awaken
during the night, as with Jacob and the Angel? Haha, in the end, it always ends up with some stupid joint dislocation, and really even as the angel
dislocates Jacob's hip, he still gives Jacob the victory out of proper respect. But Jake was ruined for life, from a physical perspective, he was
crippled thereafter. Still he had a hot wife so that eases the pain of being bedridden I guess, haha --Hey we've got many analogues for SHTF so you
can choose Jacob of the bible or Rooster Cogburn, but you will see that what I am saying rings true.
So why practice Aikido if "victory" is not the objective? Answer is simple: The Aikidoka knows that combat never ends, victory is only death.
Therefore do we see the metamorphosis of O'sensei from Samurai (death before dishonor) into Aikidoka (life before dishonor). So the goal is honor,
not "victory" in the sense of true budo.
As for "Does Aikido work?" Yes, it does, but you may never see it. I spent roughly two years studying maybe ten hours a week at best and only
achieved the lowest rank, that of sixth-kyu. Yet testing for rank is not important to me. And yet, I feel myself called to make time in my life to
return to seek 5th kyu if only to observe the Aikidoka black belts, who are some of the most grounded and centered humans I have known. If there is a
belt that has merit on Earth, it is the idea of spending ten years and 1000s hours letting your own students throw YOU around the place. That is the
Aikido black belt: They love getting thrown around by their students, because only then can the student learn the art of compassion.
So does Aikido work? Yes, it is impossible to interact with the Aikido black belts and not to feel affected by the compassion of their art.
Now of course there are are sides to everything, so one man will step forward and say "Ah yes but what about Steven Seagal?" Well he is of course
just like Aikido Elvis, so it's as simple as that. Elvis is not meant to be everyman, and when we observe TCB matrial arts, we see Elvis delivering
ferocious kicks and punches. Similarly, some Aikido dudes want to display the same "effectiveness" at Taking Care of Business, let's say. So
Seagal has my respect but that's not Aikido. If you look closely you'll see that he does try to display true budo, I do like him as a man, but I'd
like better films which shows the philosophy about Aikido. I have a script in mind and could write it in 60 days if someone wants to U2U me and offer
a writer's advance.
Oh and I should also speak to the event where Gene Coon (as I recall) wrist-locked Seagal which is a sneaky tactic to take a handshake and reverse it,
then as I recall he choked Seagal out, which is again, a weak, pathetic finish when compared to the sublime immobilizations of Aikido. Choking out is
low-tech. So yes if you crave "victory" like Gene Coon and similar fighters, then fighting cheap and using tricks, can help you to humiliate your
opponent and prove your sneakiness. If he doesn't have a gun or friends who will stomp you, then sure being a rat bastard might give you
Again, this makes my point about words preceding most fights because Gene Coon will use words to lull you to sleep and shake your hand, whereas the
Terry Dobson Aikidoka will use words so that there never is any fight at all. Do you call a lack of a fight, a victory? Hmm.
In the end, talking only goes so far, and then I would still say that Aikido is superior since it is the best way for all ages (young and old) to
A: how to collide with the ground correctly, aka FALL, and
B: How to help the attacker to not fall, or to fall where you want him to fall.
Finally I will make my point via Hollywodd movies: In the recent A Team movie we see a Bruce Lee type dude, the guy who plays Mr T in the movie, is a
real UFC bruiser, can't recall his name, but he did good because the movie is completely awesome. But notice as he takes a vow of peace and then
breaks it by using a simple tactic known in the WWF as the "piledriver". Yes of course in the WWF they used to snug up all close with the guy and
then gently drop him on his head, but in the scene at the end of the A Team, dude gets lifted up and thrown down directly onto his head: There is not
to many ways out when a person can lift you up and accelerate your head into the ground. So In the end, that is the UFC for you: Dude's aim for
victory and often it comes by lifting and dropping the guy.
But in Aikido, you don't lift the guy, just drop him in a certain fashion. It is made for small people being attacked by huge goombah who needs help
with his violent behavior. The attacker needs to learn that ground can be used as a weapon or ally by either fighter.
If the Aikidoka faces B. A. Baracus, they would face a tough challenge because that dude can fight and he seeks "victory" by knowing quickly how to
kill you with his strengths like taking you off your feet, and being all frenzy-aggressive and reversing stuff, etc.
As a low ranking Aikido practicioner in that case I would probably try to have some blowfish poison ready or even tanto or something like the fight
scene at the end of Dune. Gotta plan ahead.