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Chemtrailers, I'm calling you out!

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posted on May, 29 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by indigo25
I feel that the biggest proof available is the intensity of the denial by TPTB. I would think that if this 'theory' is in fact false, silly, or paranoid, that TPTB would laugh it off...not try to insult the theory or the ppl who accept it as fact.

TPTB have refuted the 'chemspiracy', via statements by NASA and the Air Force, but they also started the 'chemspiracy' with a scientific paper, "owning the weather in 2025" which was all theoretical. The same people who don't trust TPTB's assessment of the 'chemspiracy' trust that paper. Odd.


Originally posted by indigo25
I felt the same way with the 'rupture guy'. How many people throughout history have 'predicted' the end without any fan-fare or media coverage? They have come and gone throughout the decades. Only this guy was chronicled, interviewed, humiliated, reported on day after day, hunted down by the MSM.......SO WHY NOW? Perhaps he is too close to the truth? Perhaps now is the time that TPTB are trying their best to avoid panic? Perhaps this guy is closer to the truth than we know? If not, why would this apparent 'trolling' campaign be necessary? For me, the answer is IN the intense denial.


The rapture guy owned a radio network that commanded roughly 80 million dollars a year, and he paid to advertise his rapture prediction. No wonder he got media coverage!



Originally posted by indigo25
Further more, why is it the job of 'chemies' to come up with the proof? How about the burden of proof lying on the accused? Prove that you are NOT doing it! Prove that there have not been articles for the past decade coming out of gvt. agencies describing HOW they will manipulate and geo-engineer the weather...How about the fact that no one can see the sun and it is visibly hidden behind a series of converging chem-trails day after day?

Wrong, the burden of proof is on the claimant, you claim there are 'chemtrails', it is your responsibility to bring the evidence. Geo-engineering is no secret, and it is certainly not widespread, have a read about cloud seeding.

What are you talking about, the sun being covered? Here is a pic I took a few days ago:

Looks pretty clear to me.


Originally posted by indigo25
How about proving that even if there are no 'chem-trails' that the con trails are indeed not harmful? That would be like saying car exhaust is not harmful....factory exhaust is not harmful, etc.

Contrails contain the products of hydrocarbon combustion, namely CO2, CO and Water. Jet exhaust is NOT 'chemtrailing'


Originally posted by indigo25
If you live under an airport, I bet you would beg to differ. How about proving that there are NOT more immuno disorders under airports? Can you prove that?

I don't know anyone who lives under an airport, I doubt anyone in the world lives under an airport. Everyone in the U.S. lives under air traffic. You are asking me to prove a negative? Do we need to discuss the burden of proof again?

How does living near an airport change the amount of air traffic over your head making the supposed 'chemtrails'?

Can you prove that my type 1 Diabetes is a result of living near an airport? Didn't think so.


BTW: The evidence doesn't support that auto-immune disorders have anything to do with how close you are to an airport. Unless you have found some?


Originally posted by indigo25
Most ppl, including myself, were not taught about chem-trails by some conspiracy theorist on line...Quite the opposite. Most ppl, including myself, first noticed and observed the trails, monitored them, tracked them along with the weather, and then went on line to find others who have observed the same phenomenon...and surprise, surprise...there they all are. Those of us who know the truth don't need validation and don't care about humiliation, but good luck with the campaign...you will need it. The truth is growing by the millions.

Wrong, most people hear about 'chemtrails' and then discover that there are persistent contrails above their heads!

I bet you consider yourself an 'indigo child' eh?

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posted on May, 29 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by backinblack
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Have Government ever sprayed dangerous chemicals deliberately on unsuspecting civilians??
The answer is a resounding 'YES'...

I've heard that but I need a source.

Originally posted by backinblack
The only question is, are they still doing it ??

The evidence points to 'no'.

Originally posted by backinblack
We know they have the capability..

How do you know that? Source? Link?

Originally posted by backinblack
We know they don't care about our well being..

If they don't care about our well being, who will pay the taxes that they need to operate?


Originally posted by backinblack
We know there's enough black ops funds to cover it..

You've just made your entire post full of claims unfalsifiable, can you tell me why unfalsifiable claims fail in terms of critical thinking?


Everything I stated is a proven fact..
No one here (with any brains) would deny a single part..

You seem to try to come off like you know everything there is to know about this topic so surely you have also seen the evidence..
It's been clearly posted in threads and is NOT disputed by intelligent debunkers..
Though maybe trolls give it a try..



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by indigo25
BTW, I would also direct the author to The Science Channel's top physicist who recently stated at a sci-conference that the ability to modify the weather would bring us into a "Type 1" system. This PhD in physics stated that geo-engineering the weather is not only being studied, it is the GOAL! I would also advise the author to keep listening to the conference when the good doctor describes Type 2, Type 3, and Type 4 systems....creating and steering the SUN, etc. On the contrary, the evidence would support that chem-trails are only the beginning of weather modification.

Wishing you
Love
Peace, and
KNOWLEDGE

Sincerely,

Indigo25

Again, how does geo-engineering relate to 'chemtrails'? You were claiming that 'chemtrails' had health effects, so which is it, geo-engineering or something to affect the population.

PS: Kaku is talking about the future of geo-engineering, right now it is all study and small scale experiments. No doubt it is a goal though, we just are no where near reaching a real geo-engineering ability.



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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If it is all fact, you should have no problem linking me to sources. What are you hiding!?



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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If you would kindly re-read my post, you will notice the words, 'goal', 'bringing us into', etc. Nowhere did I imply that this is something we were doing now. Thanks for reiterating my point, though. Don't need a lesson in critical thinking, but thanks for the priceless advice.

Arrogance will only get in the way of the truth. We are all learning and observing here, sharing ideas and thoughts. Don't really see the need to pick apart those ideas, but whatever floats your boat.

Wishing you
peace



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Don't try to weasel out of it.....THIS Is part of what you wrote, quoting:



.....the evidence would support that chem-trails are only the beginning of weather modification.


You, right there, make the same logically fallacy. There are NO "chem"-trails. There ARE normal, everyday CONtrails, that hysterical hoax pushers and myth makers try to call something that they are not.....




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posted on May, 29 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by adeclerk
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If it is all fact, you should have no problem linking me to sources. What are you hiding!?


Not hiding anything mate..
I'm merely NOT your little lackey..
It all in the threads or Google is your friend..

Come back when you've learned something..



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack

Originally posted by adeclerk
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If it is all fact, you should have no problem linking me to sources. What are you hiding!?


Not hiding anything mate..
I'm merely NOT your little lackey..
It all in the threads or Google is your friend..

Come back when you've learned something..

If you aren't going to bring any pertinent info, and refuse to link to supposedly irrefutable, universally agreed upon evidence, then you are no better than the other 'chem'trolls.



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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If you aren't going to bring any pertinent info, and refuse to link to supposedly irrefutable, universally agreed upon evidence, then you are no better than the other 'chem'trolls.


I know who the ignorant troll is mate and it aint me..

Do you notice non of your debunking mates will touch my statements because they ALL know they are FACT..

Seems you are the odd one out still sticking to the BS lines..


And no, I'm NOT doing your research for you..
Your attitude suggests you know all already..



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:07 PM
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The questions you are asking are very complex. To answer them all would be way more work than I am willing to do for you. I am simply responding to the original thread which challenged ATSers to come up with scientific data showing chemtrail ingredients showing up in our air and water. If you want answers to your questions, I suggest you do your own research. You should, though keep an eye out for a thread called 'Chemtrails 101' which I will post as soon as I get enough points.


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posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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1. There is no sun in your photo, only sun light.

2. You seem to be interested in my username, Indigo25. It is GO INDI backwards, genius, (the 500?, heard of it?)

3. We are all divine creations of light, created in the image of the creator, truth seekers. I do not consider myself to be above, superior to, or smarter than others. I am not Indigo, I am human like we all are. I have nothing to prove, no need to pick apart other's posts.

4. Thank God Einstein didn't let the trolls of his time bring him down (before you comment with predictable response, no I am not comparing myself to Einstein nor am I comparing chem trails to an Einstein theory) but trying to make a broader point.

5. When there is a disagreement/debate within organizations such as NASA, can you just imagine the scientists making fun of each other's names when they disagree with one another? Laughable. Got any real data or just insults?



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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where are you?
i can personally hand you a sample of the weird sticky stuff airplanes leave when flying over my parents house.



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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I guess adeclerk and weedwacker have proved they are content on using deceitful practices to convince others "that everything will be okay. . ."

They have avoided answering plainly, several questions posed to them by myself and others.

The answers they do give are misdirected into asking you a question about your own question.

They are actively denying their own eyes by not admitting to the fact that the sky is completely different from that of 10 or 20 years ago. . .if they were alive then.

They refuse to look at others' "evidence" objectively and debunk "chemies" within a minute or two, surely not long enough to check things out.

They absolutely refuse to admit that "geo-engineering" is related, in any way, form or fashion, to chemtrails.

And finally, they outright lie and say that nobody has collected "samples" of the materials used.

You guys are not helping anyone understand anything one way or the other. Final assumption: Trolls.
:d



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by TheRealMrX
reply to post by firepilot
 

The questions you are asking are very complex. To answer them all would be way more work than I am willing to do for you. I am simply responding to the original thread which challenged ATSers to come up with scientific data showing chemtrail ingredients showing up in our air and water. If you want answers to your questions, I suggest you do your own research. You should, though keep an eye out for a thread called 'Chemtrails 101' which I will post as soon as I get enough points.


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Actually I typically already know the answers to the questions I am posing, so no they are not complex. Its only complex to chemtrailers, who refuse to learn about science, meterology or aviation, and insist on living in this delusion of a vast overhead spraying conspiracy.

Barium and Aluminum are not "chemtrail ingredients", they are already in ANY soil sample you will take anywhere. Besides, how can we possibly increase the amount of Aluminum and barium in the ground, unless we mine it from other planets.


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posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by tbonethedstroyer
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You STILL will not answer the question.

Evergreen aviation admits to weather modification. It's a well known fact.
www.evergreenaviation.com...

HOW IS THIS ACCOMPLISHED?


No one is going to employ their 747 for weather modification. Just because they advertise that they would be happy to supply a 747 for someone who wants to use it, does not mean it is happening. Evergreen would be happy to get their aircraft used as much as possible, but i can promise that no one is going to hire a 747 for that.



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Scorpitarius
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I'll be more than happy to collect rain samples after a heavy day of chemtrailing. From there if someone wants to sample it, or pay to have it sampled, come get it; 'cause I can't afford to have that s### done! But I'm willing to do what I can.
Peace and One Love!


And how will you limit the particulates to just airplane emissions? You did find ways to rule out dust and ground pollution, didnt you?



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Another illogical, and incorrect rant??


They have avoided answering plainly, several questions posed to them by myself and others.


Where?


The answers they do give are misdirected into asking you a question about your own question.


Huh?


They are actively denying their own eyes by not admitting to the fact that the sky is completely different from that of 10 or 20 years ago. . .if they were alive then.


OH, that is rich!! Son, I've been flying AIRPLANES for almost 40 years. 23 at a MAJOR U.S. airline....


They refuse to look at others' "evidence" objectively and debunk "chemies" within a minute or two, surely not long enough to check things out.


Outright lie. Slander, even.


They absolutely refuse to admit that "geo-engineering" is related, in any way, form or fashion, to chemtrails.


Because, it ISN'T! Since, there are NO such things as "chem"-trails!!


And finally, they outright lie and say that nobody has collected "samples" of the materials used.


Another case of slander.

What "samples"??



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by tbonethedstroyer

Evergreen aviation 1 BILLION dollar contract with USAF:
coupmedia.org...

"Evergreen Aviation, one of the worlds largest private aviation companies admits to weather modification service."

I guess you know more than that of a former FBI chief?
www.youtube.com...

Game over, end of story!

NOW STOP DENYING IT! I WOULD CUSS YOU UP ONE SIDE AND DOWN THE OTHER IRL!
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So show us this 1 Billion dollar contract with the Air Force?

Do you agree with the WITSATS that there should not be Aluminum or Barium found anywhere?



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Trolling trolling trolling, keep them threads a rolling.
Trolling trolling trolling, RAWHIIIIIDE!

Seriously, this is an obvious trolling thread aimed at people who contributed to the chemtrail thread 7 hours before hand. Am I not the only one who sees this?



posted on May, 29 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
Trolling trolling trolling, keep them threads a rolling.
Trolling trolling trolling, RAWHIIIIIDE!

Seriously, this is an obvious trolling thread aimed at people who contributed to the chemtrail thread 7 hours before hand. Am I not the only one who sees this?


Well yeah you may be right.

So far we have had chemtrailers spread lots of false information here, maybe it was just a get a reaction. Claims that jet engines can adjust their fuel/air mixtures, pictures of a KLM 747 airliner that was posted as a sprayplane, claims that Evergreen has a 1 billion dollar USAF contract, claims that contrails did not persist until the 1990s, more claims that aluminum and barium should not be found in the ground or in the air...



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