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Chemtrailers, I'm calling you out!

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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 01:42 AM
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This entire time all I've wanted was for one of you to finally say that chemicals are introduced to the atmosphere via airplane. Nothing more nothing less. Only took 9 pages to get that out of you.




posted on May, 31 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by DrunkNinja
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This entire time all I've wanted was for one of you to finally say that chemicals are introduced to the atmosphere via airplane. Nothing more nothing less. Only took 9 pages to get that out of you.


I have never denied that. However, chemtrails is not "chemicals introduced", that happens even just with the exhaust. You are trying to redefine your conspiracy to make it all encompassing, yet meaningless.

Your conspiracy is about persistent contrails at altitudes of jet aircraft, and out of large aircraft, not about small planes inside of rain/snow storms. Trying to latch onto cloud seeding as evidence of your conspiracy, is disingenous

You introduce chemicals to the atmosphere by driving. What do you call that?

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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by firepilot

You introduce chemicals to the atmosphere by driving.


And also breathing, flatulence, breaking wind, walking, swimming, talking and typing on the computer - even jsut sitting still you are perspiring and skin cells are coming off you.

As you say - the concept that chemtrails are anything introduced to the atmosphere makes the word meaningless.

The poster has had this pointed out time and time again, but seems to be a slow learner.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:03 AM
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Your conspiracy is about persistent contrails at altitudes of jet aircraft, and out of large aircraft, not about small planes inside of rain/snow storms. Trying to latch onto cloud seeding as evidence of your conspiracy, is disingenous


Who says they are all at cruise altitude and only formed by large aircraft??

That's the problem when you try to lump everyone into the same boat..
Everyone doesn't think the same things..



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:08 AM
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Its not my conspiracy and its not a conspiracy. You are trying to define what I am saying as Chemtrail's and putting a set definition to it. All I was saying is that chemical's are introduced to the atmosphere via airplanes, that's it. Could I define the silver iodide being dispersed off the back of a plane as a chemical trail ? Your damn right I can. Could I call into question the safety of this practice ? Yes I can. This is what started the debate you think your in now nothing else, just the safety of weather modification practices. Somehow a bunch of ignorant dupes decided to twist the entire issue into dealing with Illuminati and big brother and it has nothing to do with it. This paints anyone that is concerned with air safety and moral and environmental issues that go along with cloud seeding as "Chemtrail Crazy" which was also just proven here by you attacking me as a chemtrailer. I have not once made a statement as to nefarious people seeking population reduction or any thing else even close to that all I have said is that chemicals are introduced to the atmosphere and you attacked me for it showing yourself as a zealot.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:15 AM
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Forgive me if I misunderstood you, but for the most part the arguments I've seen go like this. "To know Chemtrails are real all you have to do is look up in the sky!...The Chemtrails are EVERYWHERE zig, zagging their poisons all across the sky every day". I did make an assumption, that this is what you were speaking of when you say 'Chemtrails', and that is what I was referring to. Such a radical program would indeed cost, and take the manpower that I suggested. What is it exactly that you mean by 'Chemtrails', and what is your evidence, if not suggesting that 'contrails' are in reality 'Chemtrails'. Without a definitive definition it's hard to discuss these matters, though I do believe the criteria I suggested matches the great majority of people's meanings when they speak of 'Chemtrails'. I'll look forward to hearing your definition of the term, and what you think is going on.


I'm on the fence with chemtrails which seems to still get you attacked by debunkers who in all honesty can not prove a negative anyway..
As I pointed out and it is FACT, Governments have sprayed dangerous chemicals deliberately on unsuspecting citizens in the past so it's not like it's an unproven scenario..
I do not think every trail in the sky is a chemtrail, the vast majority are clearly contrails..
But some pics I've seen are a little odd..
The patterns are huge or they appear too low or their course seems strange..
But then I still don't buy that it was a contrail in California that time..



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:15 AM
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Silver iodide is an extremely dangerous substance safe level is 0.01 mg then its off to the hospital. By your own admissions pounds of this is being introduced every flight. My car does not emit a substance that requires medical attention after 0.01 mg of exposure to it. Neither does flatulence or any of the other mundane things you tried to liken it to. Get a grip, silver iodide is much more dangerous than any substance most people encounter in their day to day lives that's simple. I would love to send you some so you can run it through a fan breath it in and then you can tell me its safe, If your still conscious



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by backinblack
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Your conspiracy is about persistent contrails at altitudes of jet aircraft, and out of large aircraft, not about small planes inside of rain/snow storms. Trying to latch onto cloud seeding as evidence of your conspiracy, is disingenous


Who says they are all at cruise altitude and only formed by large aircraft??

That's the problem when you try to lump everyone into the same boat..
Everyone doesn't think the same things..


But isnt that what all the photos are that are posted of contrails? Its not like I have seen any photos at low altitude from small planes. Its all large contrails at high altitude, from larger type aircraft.

But you are correct you can not all be lumped in the same boat, since none of you can even agree with what it is that chemtrails are about, or even who is doing it. Some think it is global warming prevent, others think it is depopulation, others think it is reptilian space aliens, other think it is to hide Niburu.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:24 AM
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You just lumped me in the same boat ... and all of this big brother, global warming, population reduction stuff came after the argument that silver iodide isn't safe, an argument that began 70 years ago before David Icke and the reptiles. By twisting the issue into one of conspiracy the industry of weather modification has protected itself from those of us that want to see the practice stopped.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:24 AM
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Black,I just cant see ANY of those contrails being chemtrails,unless you look at it for what it is........Exhaust.

No one that believes in chemtrails can answer the OBVIOUS question.

Who would a government(s) try to poison our skys,when corporations have been doing it on an industrial level,for over a 100 years,and are still doing it to this day? I finally opened my eyes to that GLARING fact ! Just look at whats going on in China. Look at what the Automobile does. I sat on the fence for a long time like you,but NOT ONE chemtrail believer has given proof. No data,no studys.I SEE a lot of threads,with the same old info.Yes,governments HAVE experimented on the average Joe.,but there are so many other ways to do it,then flying planes,and dumping chemicals. MHO



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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But isnt that what all the photos are that are posted of contrails? Its not like I have seen any photos at low altitude from small planes. Its all large contrails at high altitude, from larger type aircraft.

But you are correct you can not all be lumped in the same boat, since none of you can even agree with what it is that chemtrails are about, or even who is doing it. Some think it is global warming prevent, others think it is depopulation, others think it is reptilian space aliens, other think it is to hide Niburu.


I've seen quite a few pics that look much lower than cruise altitude but of course the debunkers state that's just an optical illusion..
Good phrase that, actually means nothing..


As for your theories, I think like with all conspiracies there are always disinfo guys that throw out outlandish scenarios to try and discredit others..
Just my opinion of course..



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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You introduce chemicals to the atmosphere by driving. What do you call that?

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My personal Niburu detector kit.

Dont laugh.............










Seriously,people need to look at what they do,to add to the "chemical exhaust "airplanes leave. Stop shipping products,through the air. Stop using airplanes to get to far flung destinations.Hell,ride a bike!!! If people care the way they say they do,and are so concerned,they could shut it all down. Problem is they want to keep the conspiracy alive by polluting the air we breathe.ANYONE that lives on the grid,supports chemicals in our skys. Thats a fact.
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posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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Seriously,people need to look at what they do,to add to the "chemical exhaust "airplanes leave. Stop shipping products,through the air. Stop using airplanes to get to far flung destinations.Hell,ride a bike!!! If people care the way they say they do,and are so concerned,they could shut it all down. Problem is they want to keep the conspiracy alive by polluting the air we breath.ANYONE that lives on the grid,supports chemicals in our skys. Thats a fact.


True, I thought the Global Warming conference was a joke with all those politicians flying in and living in luxury while creating tons of carbon...
Their carbon footprints for that Conference to lower carbon levels must have been HUUUUGE...



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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Silver iodide is an extremely dangerous substance safe level is 0.01 mg then its off to the hospital.


Here is your MSDS sheet.
www.sciencelab.com...

The health hazard diamond is at a level two. I just wanted to point that out.


The blue NFPA hazard diamond is used to signify health. It will help you determine how hazardous the material is to people. There are five ratings that show you how dangerous the material can become.

•2 stands for moderately toxic materials. These materials can cause illness and injuries with long term exposure and can be dangerous if proper medical attention is not given immediately when symptoms appear..

//workplacesafetyexperts.com/chemical-safety/meaning-of-nfpa s-hazard-rating-diamond/




Silver iodide is an extremely dangerous


That would be a level 4 toxic material.

•4 means extremely toxic materials. Short term exposure can cause death. May contain carcinogens that can cause illness in humans.

//workplacesafetyexperts.com/chemical-safety/meaning-of-nfpa s-hazard-rating-diamond/

I think you are trying to glorify how dangerous it is. I took an OSHA class. Just do not snort a line of it and you will be OK.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by backinblack
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But isnt that what all the photos are that are posted of contrails? Its not like I have seen any photos at low altitude from small planes. Its all large contrails at high altitude, from larger type aircraft.

But you are correct you can not all be lumped in the same boat, since none of you can even agree with what it is that chemtrails are about, or even who is doing it. Some think it is global warming prevent, others think it is depopulation, others think it is reptilian space aliens, other think it is to hide Niburu.


I've seen quite a few pics that look much lower than cruise altitude but of course the debunkers state that's just an optical illusion..
Good phrase that, actually means nothing..


As for your theories, I think like with all conspiracies there are always disinfo guys that throw out outlandish scenarios to try and discredit others..
Just my opinion of course..


Sorry, you cant blame the other wacky explanations given by chemmies, on debunkers. Why do you think people have to discredit you all, when there is no evidence anyways. Its because none of you have any actual evidence, and just come up with explanations based on your own imaginations, well its natural that some of them are going to be weirder than others. And its not like chemtrailers ever criticize other chemtrailers for having ideas that are way too wierd. You would all just rather assume it is people trying to make you all look even worse, rather than have to deal with the fact that some of you chemtrailers are bonkers.

Well if you think that there are these giant persistent trails at below contrailing altitudes, have you actually done anything about it? What was your evidence you had of their altitude?



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:48 AM
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Actually firepilot..........Black has stated hes on the fence about chemtrails. I respect that stance,CAUSE I was on it too,but not anymore.



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:58 AM
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Talk about your global warming . . . When an estimated 16,500 delegates, activists and reporters descend upon Copenhagen Monday for the United Nations Climate Change Conference, a lot of hot air will follow.

The U.N. estimates the 12-day conference will create 40,584 tons of carbon dioxide equivalents, roughly the same amount as the carbon emissions of Morocco in 2006.

Those greenhouse gas emissions are comprised of two parts: international travel and local emissions from hotels and transportation venues. Organizers will also reportedly lay 900 kilometers of computer cable and 50,000 square miles of carpet, along with more than 200,000 meals to be served and 200,000 cups of coffee.

The conference will leave an enormous carbon footprint, says Patrick Michaels, senior fellow for environmental studies at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in Washington.

“It will be huge,” Michaels said of the environmental toll. “Where is video conferencing when we need it? An equally important question is what will be accomplished here?”
Climate Conference to Create 'Huge' Carbon Footprint


NO DOUBT...............



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 02:59 AM
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Well if you think that there are these giant persistent trails at below contrailing altitudes, have you actually done anything about it? What was your evidence you had of their altitude?


What would you suggest I do about a picture of a trail taken in another country days ago ??

Evidence?? I have eyes and a functioning brain..
What evidence do YOU have that they are at high altitude?



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 03:02 AM
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The U.N. estimates the 12-day conference will create 40,584 tons of carbon dioxide equivalents, roughly the same amount as the carbon emissions of Morocco in 2006.


That is insane. Why can't they get together with all of that technology and have a massive video conference. I know that htere will still be a smaller footprint, but 40,584 tons. Geez.


What the -------



posted on May, 31 2011 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by backinblack
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Well if you think that there are these giant persistent trails at below contrailing altitudes, have you actually done anything about it? What was your evidence you had of their altitude?


What would you suggest I do about a picture of a trail taken in another country days ago ??

Evidence?? I have eyes and a functioning brain..
What evidence do YOU have that they are at high altitude?


Because most all of the jet powered aircraft are at high altitudes, because they have to in order to in order to make their destinations.

Because the conditions for contrailing, are most always up at high altitudes.

Because you can get on flight tracking websites and see the altitudes they are at.

Because I only see aircraft making contrails, at high altitudes when I am flying. I do not have to guess their altitudes, when I can see them on TCAS or hear their altitude assignments.

Because there is ZERO evidence of these low level contrails too. If you think they are real, get document and prove them. Perceptions and feelings do not count.


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