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Lost Civilizations? Why isn't there bigger ruins and structures in north America?

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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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I was just sitting here wondering, "why isn't there huge megaliths in north America, Canada, and such?". I mean isn't there large monuments on most every other major continent? I understand that there are countries out there without any but on most of the biggest ones.

I was thinking about the ones in south america and places like that, but I was thinking to myslef, What kept them from coming north, why stop just below what we now have as our border, but why not north more?
It seemed to be very furtile and full of game. So where are Americas pyramids, monuments, and stone structures. I cant believe that all that was going on up here was some cliff dwellings, while advanced and all, but not like just a few hundred miles south, pyramids, and monuments.

I was just wondering if we might be missing something larger north of south America. I know about all the mounds and stuff like that but I think there should be more.
Please be gentile I am no expert I just had a thought.
My mind ponderd that maybe, since there is diferent types of soil in north America that things got burried diferenlty and is out there just hidden diferent than in a jungle or desert, but what do I know.
maybe you guys know about some things I havnt found out about, so if you know of some interseting stuff please ad them to the duscussion so I can check them out, love new stuff!




posted on May, 27 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Because the people here at that time were more hunters and moved around quite frequently. There are however some large places that i'm sure someone more knowledgable will tell you.

The Pueblo nation in the southwest has some large old dwellings. But lack of farming means your not in one place as much so there is no need to build large structures.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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The record was more than likely SCOURED from existence. If we had not experienced the Ice-Age in the north we would have likely seen ruins as well as a lack of extinction of much of the flora and fauna . . . just my opinion of course . . . I have no pictures and such.
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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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I was figuring on there being a much older culture here before the hunter gatherers, a more advanced culture. But you are very right, these people didnt have the need for large permanant civilizations. I think I formulated my question based on the theory that there was a global civilization older and more advanced then the one we are told existed. I was using the global language recently discoverd, polished walls descoverd deep in coal mines, similar building styles and how science shows that every civilization apeared to have srung up in full development and slowly declined from that point with each generation of building became less and less advanced. pointing to the thoery that these cultures just occupied older cultures buildings and developments.

I soo know that this might take the discution in a far out there place, and relize this might not be a lagitimate theory, I was just very interested in seeing if starting a conversation on this subject might become very interesting and produce things I havnt known about. I love the members here and the things they ad to the conversation. I have seen so many interesting and new things since becoming a member of this site.

Thanks for the first coment I like the way this is turning out.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Think there are May have been buried and many still not found?

,, what about the Rockwall of Rockwall,TX >

www.rockwallcountyhistoricalfoundation.com...

The rock wall is a rectangular structure approximately 3.5 miles wide by 5.6 miles long encompassing almost 20 square miles.

This fascinating and unusual structure after which Rockwall, Texas was named poses some significant questions:

www.forbiddenhistory.info.../45

And castles and other ruins created by the ancient Anasazi culture in Utah.
surly more..
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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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What about the Cahokia Mounds or the Great Serpent Mound? While they are not on par with the pyramids of Egypt or South America, they are quite incredible in their own right.

cahokiamounds.org...
www.subversiveelement.com...
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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Mexico is part of North America and from the Yucatan up into central Mexico there are enormous cities of the Mayans, Aztecs and Toltecs. Even Central America is generally considered a part of North America by geographers and Mayan civilization extended down as far as present day El Salvador, I believe.

I suppose maybe you are thinking of it as South America because it is Latin culture down there, but it's not. Such a demarcation would have meant nothing before European settlement. The Incas, whatever civilization it was that thrived in the Amazon before that and whomever made the Nazca lines are South American, but N. America has more than its share of great ancient cities - probably more than S. America.

I think a better question would be why didn't the Mississippi become the location of highly advanced civilization like other such river system regions have around the world. The Mound Builders, as you mention, were probably the beginnings of one, but for some reason they simply did not take hold or did not progress sufficiently technologically to leave behind stone monuments of their existence. Maybe they never worked out the flooding issues the way the Egyptians and other such cultures did and this led to their ruin? Maybe some other catastrophe hit them like a big drought that for one reason or another they just never quite got over. There could be any number of reasons why a true civilization didn't take hold, but it's likely we'll never know why for sure.


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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Read 'Guns, Germs and Steel', it describes the reasoning behind this very well.

The Americas had few, if any large animals capable of doing the work necessary to build the monuments you see in other parts of the world. Without horses, mules, buffalos, etc. there were fewer options when confronted with the enormous task of moving tons and tons of rock.

As other people have said, most of the groups were hunter-gatherers and the few that weren't such as the Maya, Inca, and the Pueblo do have significant ruins. Don't forget about the burial mounds of the Mississippi Delta or the massive wooden lodges used in the Pacific Northwest. Those were made of logs so they would not exist today, although many were hundreds of feet long.

Finally, tribes in the Americas were not as focused on Astrology or the Cosmos as groups such as the Egyptians were. This limited the need for massive pyramids or structures.

Good food for thought.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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I believe the ice age took care of most of it. Between the glaciers and the rising sea levels in the habitable areas, mos such structures were likely destroyed.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 10:11 PM
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Maybe it is just the way you are thinking about it. There are things, but just in a different way. Take a look at these constructions from the Adena Indians. Something that our education system should at least mention from time to time.

Adena Mounds

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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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I forgot to mention the Anasazi in the desert South West of the U.S. They had a highly developed culture and did leave behind structures (mentioned above by someone else, i.e. Pueblo culture - same thing).



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Dear superjesse13132000,

It is believed that there was a massive city in Florida (southeast United States), they believe it was mostly wooden. We don't see large stone megaliths in most of North America, in my opinion, because you need large societies to carry it out. They also have to stay in a place for a long time to complete them and a stable food supply. The Hopi did build Chaco Canyon. Another possible reason is that wherever we see these giant megaliths they tended to be used in religious ceremonies that were shows of power in very structured societies, the American Indians were more communal in governance.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Use the search tool on "Grand Canyon Egyptian tunnels"
Some great threads already exist with exactly what you asked.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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There are lots of evidential findings that are suppressed....like the "red headed Giatns" that were taken out of galleries in the early 70's in California...or the simliar things found in NE TExas and covered up...Id say we have lots of interesting things "buried" around here



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by isthisreallife
Read 'Guns, Germs and Steel', it describes the reasoning behind this very well.

The Americas had few, if any large animals capable of doing the work necessary to build the monuments you see in other parts of the world. Without horses, mules, buffalos, etc. there were fewer options when confronted with the enormous task of moving tons and tons of rock.


Yet the North American Bison aka "Buffalos" were not domesticated nor used for physical labor. The Mississippian cultures were fairly advanced. But not "Ancient"




Cahokia


Cahokia kəhoʊkiːə is the site of an ancient Native American city (650-1400 CE) near Collinsville, Illinois in the American Bottom floodplain, across the Mississippi River from St. Louis, Missouri. The 2,200-acre (8.9 km2) site includes at least 109 man-made earthen mounds. Cahokia Mounds is the largest archaeological site related to the Mississippian culture, which developed advanced societies in eastern North America centuries before the arrival of Europeans.[1]

Cahokia was settled around 650 CE during the Late Woodland period. Mound building did not begin until about 1050 CE, at the beginning of the Mississippian cultural period. The inhabitants left no written records beyond symbols on pottery, shell, copper, wood, and stone.[4]. The city's original name is unknown.




As other people have said, most of the groups were hunter-gatherers and the few that weren't such as the Maya, Inca, and the Pueblo do have significant ruins. Don't forget about the burial mounds of the Mississippi Delta or the massive wooden lodges used in the Pacific Northwest. Those were made of logs so they would not exist today, although many were hundreds of feet long.


How about this Giant precolumbian statue it rivals some of the largest stones of the old world.





And...

Let's not forget the Olmec of Central America and the Incas of South America who built their civilizations and cultures with only human blood sweat and tears.
Olmec

The great majority of scholars who specialise in Mesoamerican history, archaeology and linguistics remain unconvinced by these speculations.[34] Many are more critical and regard the promotion of such unfounded theories as a form of ethnocentric racism at the expense of indigenous Americans.[35]

The consensus view maintained across publications in peer-reviewed academic journals that are concerned with Mesoamerican and other pre-Columbian research is that the Olmec and their achievements arose from influences and traditions that were wholly indigenous to the region, or at least the New World, and there is no reliable material evidence to suggest otherwise.[36] They, and their neighbouring cultures with whom they had contact, developed their own characters which were founded entirely on a remarkably interlinked and ancient cultural and agricultural heritage that was locally shared, but arose quite independently of any extra-hemispheric influences.[37]




Finally, tribes in the Americas were not as focused on Astrology or the Cosmos as groups such as the Egyptians were. This limited the need for massive pyramids or structures


The worlds largest pyramid by volume is in Central America.

We need to consider that although the Olmec were famous for their Giant Stone Head sculptures they were also the oldest Central American culture and seemed to have built the most advanced pyramids way before the Mayan and Aztecs.


The Great Pyramid of Cholula, also known as Tlachihualtepetl (Nahuatl for "artificial mountain"), is a huge complex located in Cholula, Puebla, Mexico. It is the world's largest monument and largest Pre-Columbian pyramid by volume.

Cholula is most famous as the site of the Great Pyramid of Cholula, the largest man-made pyramid and monument by volume in the world. The temple-pyramid complex was built in four stages, starting from the 3rd century BCE through the 9th century CE, and was dedicated to the deity Quetzalcoatl.


It is the Oldest and Largest. It is also more advanced than all the rest that followed. This small section below is only the small base entrance into the great pyramid..

Now if you consider that this is just the small first steps of the pyramid it then really becomes amazing when you consider the age.


Here is what some believe the complex looks like if it would be completely excavated.



Now compare the above to this well known pyramid also located in the area supposedly from a much later period.


Pyramid of the Sun

History The name Pyramid of the Sun comes from the Aztecs, who visited the city of Teotihuacan centuries after it was abandoned; the name given to the pyramid by the Teotihuacan's is unknown.


Also there were some who were very aware and interested in the stars...

Pre-Inca Observatory Is Oldest in Americas, Study Says

A mysterious set of monuments in Peru make up the oldest solar observatory in the Americas, according to a new study. The 2,300-year-old Thirteen Towers of Chankillo were used for marking the sun's position throughout the year—an activity that was part of the sun-worshipping culture of the Inca, the study authors said.

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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 11:13 PM
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The Rock Wall, Rockwall Texas

www.youtube.com...

The Youtube is first one I could find but should get you started if you wanted to go any further into it. Its claimed to be actual structure however theories abound on to what they are and who built them if they were indeed built.

Also you have the cahokiamounds.org... cahokia mounds. Also just first website i pulled up on them. Great earth works where supposedly metal and stone artifacts were pulled out with middle eastern and European writing on them. However the mounds do exists and by the time white man showed up there were no Cahokian indians left around to explain what they were built for or who actually built them. Presumably killed off by small pox from the spanish conquistadors spread up through central America.

Above poster mentioned redheaded giants. Really interesting history given by the Piute sp? indians.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 11:16 PM
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Dear Slayer69,

Had to give you a star, great, concise explanation and stunningly beautiful pictures.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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I love this stuff


Here are two topic related threads that may interest you.

Ancient America Rocked!

AND...

Olmec Giant Stone Heads Mystery Solved?



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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The Anasazi left behind some amazing structures.
Mesa Verde is sensational: www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu...



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 11:36 PM
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Dear Slayer69,

Wow, I loved those links. Very good work on your part, their art is so lovely even today, so human, so natural. I do have a question and would like to hear your opinion, if it is too of topic, please u2u message me your thoughts. The Polynesians traveled 1/3rd of the world in boats, they could have easily gotten to the Americas, I believe, they would have at least come to south America. In south America there were drawings of elephants found and they never had any. Their guardians that they made on Easter Island show they knew how to work large stone figures and there weren't that many people living on the island.



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