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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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he returned at 2am to wait for Burleigh to leave, then followed her and her boyfriend home.


Burleigh, who was with her boyfriend Christopher



So, what did the boyfriend do while all this played out? Interesting that the guy attacked her, even though she wasn't alone.
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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Yes and I would say that had her / their attack failed we'd likely be reading about a rape victim instead of this travesty of justice that's reared it's head.

But the ptb can't have that, they were disappointed that someone was empowering themselves instead of being a doormat.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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The story is a little misleading, after she knocked the attacker unconscious, she continued beating him severely, the law only allows defense, but she had rendered the guy unconscious, then continued the attack, to be honest the bugger should have been beaten to an inch of his life but the goody two shoes of the UK law system is against us in this respect.

Wee Mad



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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She was young and terrrified. In most of the movies they keep getting up, again. I can only imagine what she felt like trying to open her door and being jumped like that. That is a terror many women live with every day.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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That website is not credible and it is the site where this story originated.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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now that article, and the actions of the "authorities" is just disgusting!

this woman gets stalked, pounced on and successfully defended herself, to the point she knocked his sick ass out, and she gets fined?

showering woman attacked,kills intruder

this is what rapists/lady attackers/pedophiles should receive as a grand prize.
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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by weemadmental
reply to post by WatchRider
 


The story is a little misleading, after she knocked the attacker unconscious, she continued beating him severely, the law only allows defense, but she had rendered the guy unconscious, then continued the attack, to be honest the bugger should have been beaten to an inch of his life but the goody two shoes of the UK law system is against us in this respect.

Wee Mad


Well then I guess she would have been better off in finishing the job (ie killing him) than just going as far as she did. Maybe she thought he was dead and that's why she stopped.

Dead men tell no tales. They can't tell their side of the story, they can't take witness stands, or identify their attacker in court. So it becomes her word against whose word?

BTW: Who was the witness that ratted her out? Was it the boy friend?

Maybe he got scared of her "potential".

-E2



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Wow. Really? Wow.
She had every right to kick this felon until he ceased to live.
But it all figures legally I suppose.....after all....only power hungry cops can legally beat someone unconscious



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Wow so self defense is a crime now?!


My friend got attacked by a bum, he kicked her which resulted in stitches. She had a cup full of peanuts and she threw them at him. Well guess what, the cop told her if she pressed charges he was too because throwing the peanuts was considered ASSAULT with a weapon. Friggin peanuts! She was assaulted first and her reaction was to just get him away from her. He was trying to rob her so she threw what she had a cup of nuts...


This is like when you see stories of intruders suing the people they burglarize and win.

Ridiculous!



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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I find this offensive.

Fining a girl for self-defense? WTF is wrong with the UK's justice system where the victim gets the penalty and the criminal gets nothing?

Thank god I live in the land of the right to bear arms.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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This is what happens when people from priviledged backgrounds, who more than likely have never had to defend themselves from a serious attack, think they understand the mean streets of inner cities.

I've personally seen someone get punched once and die right there on the street. I've seen people get stabbed and friends of mine have been shot. Any unprovoked attack should be treated as a deadly assault and be met with extreme violence. I'm not on about battles of ego where an arguement occurs and you have the chance to walk away. Avoidence and awareness is always the best form of self defense.

But when SHTF you shouldn't be concerned with what some idiot in his/her ivory tower thinks is right. If the law isn't there to protect you, you need to protect yourself.

"I don't even call it violence when it's in self defense; I call it intelligence."- Malcolm X




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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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The person who fined her needs to have a burlap bag placed over his/her head and summarily executed.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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if one seeks weapons in the UK they are readily available, although through 'illegal' sources.

The part that annoys me would be the people who think having arms is some sort of amazing liberty-granting silver bullet. Personally i think people need to be intelligent to be allowed arms for self-defense, or any other use, and the Jose Guerena SWAT video I watched today only reinforces my worrys that when police are allowed to expect arms behind every door their tactics become Orwellian. I would rather live in Prison Land UK than Prison Continent America currently



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

However, she went too far by continuing to kick her attacker on the head even after he was knocked unconscious.


How on earth did she only get away with a £500 fine ?

I'm shocked that the police didn't charge her with attempted murder.

Regardless of what happened previously, someone who is unconscious has clearly been physically incapacitated. Still, let's just kick some immobolised person in the head, possibly causing death or brain damage.


When someone attempts to rob you, kill you, rape you, breakdown the door of your residence, etc. its called self-defense and the attacker should have no rights what-so-ever. Only with a perverted judicial system that is enabled by a corrupt political system does self-defense become a crime.

As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as "over-reacting" and "excessive force" under these circumstances. You attack me and I either send you to the hospital or I kill you and yes its worth it imo. Its better to be judged by twelve then carried by six. Amen!!!!!



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by weemadmental
reply to post by WatchRider
 


The story is a little misleading, after she knocked the attacker unconscious, she continued beating him severely, the law only allows defense, but she had rendered the guy unconscious, then continued the attack, to be honest the bugger should have been beaten to an inch of his life but the goody two shoes of the UK law system is against us in this respect.

Wee Mad


A REAL PROBLEM with limited force is that people are downright mean and if you injure them(rather than kill them) while they are up to no good, chances are he/she is gonna come back and get revenge. And even if you kill her/him, he/she may have friends who will want to get even with you.

Its a lose-lose situation if you think about it but the lady had a right to self-defense and women naturally get uptight when confronted by rape. Getting a 500 pound fine was uncalled for imo and the guy should have been charged with stalking, tresspassing and attempted rape. Are two of those crimes not felonies in the uk??



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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This thread is being quite an eye-opener for me. So, when you guys advocate for "the right to bear arms" what you actually mean is the right to shoot/stab/kick in the face anyone whom at any one time you may have perceived as a threat to yourself or your property. I guess I should have expected nothing less from the "guns don't kill people" crowd.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by IncrementEthicalAnarchy


if one seeks weapons in the UK they are readily available, although through 'illegal' sources.

The part that annoys me would be the people who think having arms is some sort of amazing liberty-granting silver bullet. Personally i think people need to be intelligent to be allowed arms for self-defense, or any other use, and the Jose Guerena SWAT video I watched today only reinforces my worrys that when police are allowed to expect arms behind every door their tactics become Orwellian. I would rather live in Prison Land UK than Prison Continent America currently



So its better to have a million cameras and be watched by cops rather than allow people basic protection such as a knife or pistol? If the criminals knew everyone had the right to bear arms I am pretty certain the crime rate would go way down.

I believe in gun control and character check-ups so that people with a criminal record and/or mentally disturbed individuals would be excluded from this right. Automatic weapons, non-hunting rifles and 9mm+ caliber pistols should be banned due to the overpenetration factor!



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
A REAL PROBLEM with limited force is that people are downright mean and if you injure them(rather than kill them) while they are up to no good, chances are he/she is gonna come back and get revenge. And even if you kill her/him, he/she may have friends who will want to get even with you.


The initial assailant was drunk out of his mind and already laying on the ground unconscious while she kept hitting him. There was simply no chance he was going to get up and resume the attack.


Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Its a lose-lose situation if you think about it but the lady had a right to self-defense and women naturally get uptight when confronted by rape. Getting a 500 pound fine was uncalled for imo and the guy should have been charged with stalking, tresspassing and attempted rape. Are two of those crimes not felonies in the uk??


I'm no lawyer, but I kind of doubt following someone home from a club is enough to warrant a serious charge for stalking... and as far as I can tell, there was no trespassing... and we don't know for sure the initial assault was sexual in nature. Would a guy "who had downed at least nine pints of beer" even be capable of, you know...? I've read things...


Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I believe in gun control and character check-ups so that people with a criminal record and/or mentally disturbed individuals would be excluded from this right.


You do realize that this would most likely end up excluding most of the posters in this thread, right? Including me, of course, but then again, I can do without guns.
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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by pikappa
This thread is being quite an eye-opener for me. So, when you guys advocate for "the right to bear arms" what you actually mean is the right to shoot/stab/kick in the face anyone whom at any one time you may have perceived as a threat to yourself or your property. I guess I should have expected nothing less from the "guns don't kill people" crowd.


If someone poses a real threat to me you bet your last dollar that I'm going to punch, kick, stab, shoot the bastard until he is no longer a threat. I would expect the same of any human being who is being threatened the way this girl was.

You've obviously never had to defend your life. Until you do you won't be able to appreciate the type of response seen here. It is perfectly natural to do what this girl did.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by pikappa

I'm no lawyer, but I kind of doubt following someone home from a club is enough to warrant a serious charge for stalking... and as far as I can tell, there was no trespassing... and we don't know for sure the initial assault was sexual in nature. Would a guy "who had downed at least nine pints of beer" even be capable of, you know...? I've read things...


Did I read it wrong when they said some drunk guy, with a mask on, was following her all the way to her house and then attacked her? If that is not stalking then what exactly is? Attempted rape and tresspassing we can do without I guess.




You do realize that this would most likely end up excluding most of the posters in this thread, right? Including me, of course, but then again, I can do without guns.
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I think every sane, law abiding citizen should have the right to self defense and the right to bear arms, within limits of course. The cops cannot be everywhere at once and it makes their job a whole lot easier because there is huge discentive for violent crime. Who in their right mind would attack someone else if they saw someone wearing a holster and gun? Common sense mate!



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