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Girl fined for fighting back at masked man

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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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This little girl is more than welcome to move over to Texas.

We WILL cap your ass!

Stupid socialists.

Oh, but make sure the "royals" are protected.




posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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So! she should have let him attack her.
drag her in to her house.
LET him rape her, then rob her.
then call the police.
BUT Rape is not a crime any more....

So Nothing will be done about him!
and ALL the criminals will now know
they are untouchable..

hmmm?
so she should have rob’d him.
they she would have been ok.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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Another epic fail for the UK. First allowing Sharia law to supercede their own laws, now this. The collapse is complete.

What on earth are you going on about. Sharia law has not superceded our own laws. By the way we have two sets of laws here British (england,wales and northern ireland) and Scottish. Scotland has a seperate legal system.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by WatchRider
Spare a thought for 'prison-island' UK were you CANNOT defend yourself against an attacker!!!!


You can use reasonable and proportionate force to defend yourself. People do this every day with no problems and she would not have been fined if she had not used unnecessary force.

Sorry vigilante walts, an unconscious man lying on the floor drooling does not constitute an immediate threat, therefore you don't need to repeatedly kick him in the head. You might like to, but there's nothing cool about losing your temper.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
This is why Americans will never give up their right to own and carry a firearm for self-defense.

If you let the government take your right to defend yourself out of your hands then this is the nonsense that follows.


Thats right. This sort of RIDICULOUS nonsense that I hear coming out of other countries should serve as a REMINDER for us in the USA to NEVER allow even an INCH of our rights to be taken away in this regard.

I CANT BELIEVE how ridiculous some other countries have it out for citizens who are only DEFENDING themselves against SCUM!!!!!!!!!

Dont let this nonsense happen in the USA folks!!!

JUST RIDICULOUS AND AZZ-BACKWARDS!!
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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Someone needs to go find this guy and place an IED in his ass and make him walk around britain apologizing for his actions and calling for his punishment in prison as well as calling to repeal the draconian british laws that date back to 445 AD.


Repeal draconian laws absoutely.
The worst of them date back to Post WW2.
The first gun laws against British citizens date to 1903 but they really turned up the heat on people after the allies (ironically enough) won WW2!



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by trollz
Wait wait wait... Hold on... No charges were brought against the guy who tried to attack her, and she's given a fine for defending herself?
So if I move there and try to attack a girl at night while wearing a mask, I'll get away free while she gets charged with a crime?
Is there a certain point where she was expected to stop kicking him under such circumstances? "Oh, ok, you fell down on the ground, now we can all go home safe and happy and forget this ever happened"

I feel like I'm living in some kind of universe where god died and the strings holding reality together are fraying and coming apart.


That sounds about right to me.
Some areas of the world have their head's wired better than others



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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Yes, but it can't be dismissed that she was probably most likely scared out of her wits at the thought of him springing back up and continuing to assault her. It's like a person who is scared of spiders repeatedly smashing the spider until there is no question that it won't scare you again... only in this case the spider was a human who the victim thought was going to rape her.

While I don't condone overdoing something, who's to say that she was in the right frame of mind or understanding that she knew she was overexerted herself? Most people aren't trained fighters who know how much force to apply to someone in order to prevent themselves from being raped by the guy in the shadows.
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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:36 AM
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This whole situation is ridiculous. Had that happened here in Florida, after he got his ass kicked the cops would show up, handcuff him too tight, do a rough search of his person, help him bump his head getting into the police car, help him trip getting out of the police car and help him fall down a lot on his way into the jail. I frown on police brutality except in a few cases. One of them being when some creepy old man is stalking a young woman.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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Unfortunately, things like this happen because we LET them happen. We ALLOW such travesties of justice to occur because we are complacent, lazy, and whipped.

Notice how everyone in this thread is OUTRAGED by this travesty of justice. I literally felt my skin get hot upon reading this story because it is so incredulous and unjust. So if we, by common sense, see this is absolutely wrong by almost unanimous opinion, what does that tell us? It tells us that our leaders and lawmakers are so far detached from common sense and the common people that they need to have their memory refreshed in terms of who is in charge. WE are in charge, Guys.

Do you think the police would be fined if they went 'too far' with a suspect who attacked one of their own? Why not? Because they know they need to defend themselves, even if disproportionately against an attacker. Do you think an elite would be fined for going 'too far' with an attacker? Why not? Because they know they need to defend themselves, even if disproportionately against an attacker.

This is being purposefully done against the people to program us not to defend ourselves.

If this continues, it is OUR FAULT for allowing it. This woman needs to rip up that fine in front of parliament, continue her cause in the media, and the people need to be behind her all the way. If not, one day it could be your daughter, wife, mother, or sister raped and dead in an alley way or in trouble with the law for defending herself against such an attack.

One day it could be your son, husband, father, or brother robbed and dead or in trouble with the law for defending himself.

Stand up and say 'HELL NO' to your government. Please. For ALL of our sakes. Do not allow them to victimize us.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Essan

she went too far by continuing to kick her attacker on the head even after he was knocked unconscious.


'nuff said.

Just because one person breaks the law does not mean that you have the right to do likewise. It's what separates us from them.


Spoken like a good little sheep that ignores how criminals use that fear factor to attack the vulnerable.
I really believe the UK is one of the best country's for criminals to thrive and live in a golden age. Mugs like you would be nectar for them.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Soshh

Originally posted by WatchRider
Spare a thought for 'prison-island' UK were you CANNOT defend yourself against an attacker!!!!


You can use reasonable and proportionate force to defend yourself. People do this every day with no problems and she would not have been fined if she had not used unnecessary force.


Now show me EXACTLY where reasonable force begins and defensive force to prevent an attacker hurting you ends?

It's this stupid wording and mis-speak from the law-givers that gives the criminals such lee-way to run amok!
All sucked up and defended by the brainwashed masses who can't think for themselves.



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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It's a question of reasonable force. Once the guy is unconcious on the ground he is no longer a threat - is it therefore reasonable to continue kicking him in the head and face, causing him serious injuries? He may have deserved it in our minds, but the line needs drawing somewhere. Are we to return to a vigilante society where we doll out our own punishments to those who we feel deserve it?



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by WatchRider

Girl fined for fighting back at masked man


edinburghnews.scotsman.com

Girl fined for fighting back at masked man

A TERRIFIED teenage girl has been fined £500 for knocking unconscious a masked stranger who stalked her home from a nightclub in what lawyers have called an "exceptional" case.

Claire Burleigh, 19, was pounced on by Sean Docherty, 43, as she was about to open the door of her Bathgate home, Livingston Sheriff Court heard yesterday.

Docherty had earlier been thrown out of the nightclub following a drunken argument.
(visit the link for the full news article)

Welcome to the Liberal Utopia of England



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by Shamatt
It's a question of reasonable force. Once the guy is unconcious on the ground he is no longer a threat - is it therefore reasonable to continue kicking him in the head and face, causing him serious injuries? He may have deserved it in our minds, but the line needs drawing somewhere. Are we to return to a vigilante society where we doll out our own punishments to those who we feel deserve it?



heres where all of the people saying this crap are wrong

AT LEAST ACCORDING to the current govts of the world

in another thread on the main page right now the topic is about swat shooting a man 60 times

wheres defense and offense start and stop?

give me a break

if a TRAINED Group of men who are trained and PAID to do the right thing in extreme cases can shoot a gun 60 times firing over 70 shots

then a girl being attacked outside her home has the right to kick the attacker as many times as she does because she is scared, not trained nor paid to do the exact RIGHT THING

so maybe if the right thing is stopping the moment the person is subdued

in the heat of battle, and you are in the battle, will you know exactly when that moment is and hold back in mid swing?

yea i doubt
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posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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so now they are outlawing hand-to-hand combat? That is so stupid in so many ways!



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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UK, what silly people.
If USA ever gets that ba.... wait a sec...



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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Submit and get raped and maybe killed....defend yourself and get arrested?..Ill take the court....a 16 in ASP baton in the purse is discrete and can be gotten into action pretty quick.....



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by TheDevilOfLies

Originally posted by Shamatt
It's a question of reasonable force. Once the guy is unconcious on the ground he is no longer a threat - is it therefore reasonable to continue kicking him in the head and face, causing him serious injuries? He may have deserved it in our minds, but the line needs drawing somewhere. Are we to return to a vigilante society where we doll out our own punishments to those who we feel deserve it?



heres where all of the people saying this crap are wrong

AT LEAST ACCORDING to the current govts of the world

in another thread on the main page right now the topic is about swat shooting a man 60 times

wheres defense and offense start and stop?

give me a break

if a TRAINED Group of men who are trained and PAID to do the right thing in extreme cases can shoot a gun 60 times firing over 70 shots

then a girl being attacked outside her home has the right to kick the attacker as many times as she does because she is scared, not trained nor paid to do the exact RIGHT THING

so maybe if the right thing is stopping the moment the person is subdued

in the heat of battle, and you are in the battle, will you know exactly when that moment is and hold back in mid swing?

yea i doubt
edit on 28-5-2011 by TheDevilOfLies because: (no reason given)


So because a bunch of goons with guns are unable to controll themselves it is OK for the rest of us to do the same? If so, we are all doomed!



posted on May, 28 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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I havnt read all the replys, and Ive had a few beers, but F that dude. Somethin like this happenin to a woman I know, even my moms, I would go to jail to prevent. PERIOD. I havnt even clicked on the link an yes it is 3:48am, and Ive just been in the dungeons with the fritters. I hope that guy gets his just deserts.....with gravy or somthin....


EDIT: also, don't know if this has been mentioned, hopefully someone will see this, but what if she said she used karate or jujitsu(insert favorite self defense here) as self defense, would she still be under such scrutiny? seeings as those are legal and paid for practices right?

edit on 28-5-2011 by grindhouzer because: (no reason given)



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