Originally posted by 3finjo
reply to post by James1982
The cop would not have a choice in this case - he/she would have been told to make an arrest, of that I am certain. As for hoping they die, well thats
just childish nonsense.
You fail to see the actual problem - the cops don't make the laws, politicians do. And they don't decide whether to progress a case in court - the CPS
(lawyers not attached to the police) do. Get your facts straight before going off on a rant.
On one thing I do agree - this girl was failed by the system.
I do understand what you are saying, although I don't accept the "just following orders" excuse. I know people are probably going to roll their eyes
at this comparison, but wasn't the "just following orders" excuse used by Nazis? Was it OK when they did it?
I realize arresting a woman that went overboard while defending herself, and killing people in cold blood are very different things. But the point
isn't WHAT is being defended, it's HOW it's being defended. And in both cases it's exactly the same "Just following orders" How far can you take that
before it is no longer a viable excuse? In my opinion, not far.
People have to take responsibility for their own actions and not just blame it on someone higher up the chain of command. The basic human right to be
able to defend yourself and your property shouldn't be challenged, and while I don't envy the officer having to make the choice between doing what he
is told, and upholding a citizens basic human rights, it's still his choice, and therefore he shares the blame. What if ALL of the officers refused to
arrest her? Are they going to fire the whole police station? Sometimes people need to make a stand, and this is one of those times in my opinion.
So while wishing death upon him may seem harsh, I wouldn't shed a tear. He made his choice, and that was to abide by the status quo, instead of
respecting and defending a citizen in need. Because of that he means nothing to me. Just the way I feel, and I can understand most people aren't going
to agree, but I'm not going to change my mind.
Edited to add;
Someone a few posts back mentioned the law in Indiana that allows an officer to enter your house with NO WARRANT and with NO PROBABLE CAUSE. I propose
this scenario. Say an officer is told by his superiors to enter someones house. He has no warrant, and no reason to believe anything illegal is going
on in there. Because of this new law, that doesn't matter. He can just bust in the house whenever and for whatever reason he wants. Now this is a
BLATANT violation of the US Constitution. Yet, it's legal on the state level.
So by your reasoning that an officer is free of all guilt just because he is following orders, when a superior officers orders a cop to illegally
break into a house, and the officer does illegally break into the house, you don't think it's his fault? He is just following orders after all, even
though he knows it's wrong. You don't lay the guilt on him? I do. Anyone breaks into my house illegally and they are getting 00 buckshot in the chest.
I hear a story on the news about a cop breaking into a house illegally and getting shot, I don't shed a single tear. It's his fault. He knew it was
wrong. Yet he did it anyway just because "he was following orders"
I don't, and never will accept that. You do something wrong, for whatever reason, be it little voices in your head, or an authority figure telling you
to, it's still YOUR choice, and YOU are the one that deals with the fallout from it.
edit on 27-5-2011 by James1982 because: (no reason