Okay Hi I'm new here, I have to add my two cents. From a strictly socialist commie position for all of us out there who don't confine to the rules
that someone somewhere set out for us: I believe fair for one is fair for all. I believe if the police are allowed to use extreme force in "subduing a
suspect" (whether or not it is required) then absolutely this young girl did no wrong. I believe firmly in the absolute right to protect yourself to
whatever extent is necessary. If a person is attacking you you have the absolute right to disarm and disengage this person. As a woman who grew up
with much larger bigger brothers and male cousins I had to learn to defend myself and learn well. I learned that just because a person is seriously
drunk does not make them any less a serious danger. Just because they are down doesn't mean they will stay down. As a very bullied child on the school
ground let me tell you that having taking down one opponent does not mean they won't be back with their friends for vengance or they won't hold a
grudge and come for you again later.
There is no such thing as unreasonable force when you are seriously defending yourself this does not mean if the person is talking wildly with their
hands and accidently hits you you can beat the snot out of them you can deflect the blow without harm. This is clearly not the case. This man followed
her home from the bar wore a mask and attempted to do physical harm on her. Had this child been my daughter ( I have a 19 year old) I would have taken
a bat or a knife to him myself to make sure he could do no further harm to my child nor anyone elses.
I believe you have the right to defend yourself at that moment in time by any means possible I tell my daughter, who is very petite, that in a self
defense struggle there is no unreasonable force and every part of her body is a weapon that she is entitled to use. Any accessory on her person is
also subject to that same edict. If she is out matched by size and strength then she has to make sure she can adaquately defend herself.
I believe that a law should be in place and that young women should not have to defend themselves in this manner but I also know that until such a
time as people no longer feel the need to conquer, control or destroy what they cannot have otherwise, such things as what this young woman did, are a
very vital part of self defense.
I also believe that the law should allow no leeway for a perpetrator of this type of violence as was visited on the young woman regardless of his age,
race, culture or religion or the amount of money he or his daddy or his daddy's friends have. Perpetrators should be punished to the full extent of
the law, even if they get the poo kicked out of them by a young woman or anyone else
who decided not
to sit around and let a crime happen
this is and should be a civic duty to protect yourself and your neighbors.
When all is said and done "anarchy" is not a bad thing if you have enough people to uphold the common law against criminal and legal thugs. In some
places it is considered a revolution I think the Americans of all people should be sympathetic to that as it was their revolution against the
stranglehold of the British Crown that resulted in their constitution. A constitution that, in my opinion, really needs to be taken back by the people
before it is completely gone. Vigilanti justice is also not as bad as the rap it is given--- sometimes. I think it was once called a citizen's arrest
when a common person decided to take the law into their own hands and stop a crime from happening and take the criminal into the police station for
"due process". I also think capital punishment for certain crimes should be firm and unyielding in certain circumstances. But I digress.
At the end of the day the 19 year old girl should be given a medal not a fine. The perp should be smacked down hard and before anyone extolls their
country and the "results" of this out come in their country let me address a crime that came to my attention; I can't figure out the links but I'll
give the highlights ( I haven't read all the links posted either sorry!) there is a case of an 11 year old girl that was in either Florida or Texas,
(I think), who was picked up by a much older teenage boy and his friends and gang raped. The boys got off, the judge said she was dressing and acting
much older for her age and her whole family was ostracized for bringing it to court. I believe the boys in question were highschool football stars.
I'll get back to you on that. Also in Canada just a few months back, the girl was "allegedly raped" and the judge let the boy off saying she was
giving mixed messages.
Blame the victim isn't just a British problem. It's everywhere! They just don't always label it quite the same.
edit on 4-6-2011 by Mecca
because: (no reason given)