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Real Time Seismic Data in the US - Alaska DOWN, Idaho DOWN. Why?

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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:04 PM
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This stemmed from something I noticed - some odd blips on a private seismogram and which - I went to find on the Alaska real time seismograms - but could not.

Take a look at the thread here.

This spurred me to see what else was down in the world.

The real time IRIS network is currently showing 2094 siesmo stations. (Realtime Stations)

Of these some are not up to date by which I mean the data stops before today whereas it should be only a few minutes behind current time. This may be because they are broken - that should be the reason BUT I have noticed recently that some stations are always behind. One I like to look at is MGOD - God's own repeater site - in the AV network. For quite some time now this has been consistently 'out of date', i.e. NOT real time,

The total numbers of seismograph stations not offering up to the minute data from that list is 145. Of that 145 only these 9 stations are NOT in the US

[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/09 00:00:00 - 2011/05/25 00:00:00]
AU MAW Mawson, Antarctica
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/04/27 00:00:00 - 2011/05/14 00:00:00]
DR BANI Loma el Manaclar, Bani, Dominican Republic
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/04 00:00:00 - 2011/05/20 00:00:00]
DR HATO El Peon, Hato Mayor, Dominican Republic
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/04/28 00:00:00 - 2011/05/13 00:00:00]
DR NAVI Loma La Naviza, Cotui, Dominican Republic
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
GE BOAB INETER/GEOFON Station Boaco, Nicaragua
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
II EFI Mount Kent, East Falkland Island
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/10 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
IM MK31 Makanchi Array Site 31, Kazakhstan
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
IU AFI Afiamalu, Samoa
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
PM PESTR ESTREMOZ, PORTUGAL

ALL of the remainder are in the US and the bulk are in Alaska.or Idaho.

Those that are not are these and are only about a day behind. Some are schools so I see nothing significant about these ones. There are 12 of these

[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
NE BRYW Smithfield, RI 41.92
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
NE EMMW Machias, ME
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
NE PQI Presque Isle, ME
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
NE QUA2 Belchertown, MA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
NE WES Weston, MA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/18 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
NP 2272 Eastwood Elementary School, Salt Lake City, UT, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/03/22 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
TA G26A Maurine, SD, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/03/22 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
TA G27A Dupree, SD, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/18 00:00:00 - 2011/05/26 00:00:00]
UW KNEL Kent Elementary ANSS-SMO
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/15 00:00:00 - 2011/05/25 00:00:00]
UW MARY Marymoor Park ANSS-SMO
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/18 00:00:00 - 2011/05/25 00:00:00]
UW UMPQ Umpqua Community College, WA, DOGAMI SMO
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/03/28 00:00:00 - 2011/03/28 00:00:00]
UW UPS U. Puget Sound SMO-IDS24 - This looks as if it is gonner

17 of the remainder are in Idaho and are 6 days behind
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE ARNI Argonne North, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE BCYI Bear Canyon, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE CBTI Cedar Butte, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE CNCI Crows Nest Canyon, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE COMI Craters of the Moon, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE CRBI Circular Butte, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE ECRI Eagle Creek, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE EMI Eightmile Canyon, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/18 00:00:00 - 2011/05/24 00:00:00]
IE GRRI Grays Lake, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE GTRI Grays Lake, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE HHAI Hells Half Acre, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE ICI Italian Canyon, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE IRCI INEL Research Center, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE LJI Lemhi Junction, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/13 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE LLRI Little Lost River, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/10 00:00:00 - 2011/05/21 00:00:00]
IE NPRI New Production Reactor, Idaho, USA
[Data available in realtime systems: 2011/05/11 00:00:00 - 2011/05/22 00:00:00]
IE PZCI Patelzick Creek, Idaho, USA

ALL OF THE REST - all 107 in total are in Alaska (I won't list them all - too long)

The thing is that they are between 8 and 14 days behind and they stay that way. This is not what I call real time.

What is going on?

Any thoughts anyone?




posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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so these stations are purposely delaying the information? is that what you're saying?



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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The government seems to always turn the sensors or radar, or whatever off
either just before, or during a false flag, or natural disaster...

Could floods or twisters have anything to do with it?
or is it like the radiation sensors?
turned off because they are reading something?

or are they hiding info someone could be liable for...?
like the weight of the flooding created by the releases causing siesmic damage
maybe the damage caused by fraking?

I look forward to what your thread turns up PM...

Possibly Chuck Norris is doing pushups in the area?
Remeber when he accidentally punched that oil tanker while doing the australian crawl accross the the straights of Hormuz, and some claimed it was an earth quake for a bit?
(LOL)
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edit on 27-5-2011 by Danbones because: aaargh SPELLINK



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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I'll second that Puterman,, so i'll say it for him ,,,YES.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Hey there Puterman, thank you for passing this info on to us.

It's quite strange to see the results having this much gapping going on. I'm just getting my system back together after a major hardware upgrade and haven't been able to check what's been going on EQ wise in the world for the past couple of weeks, but i HAVE noticed that there seems to be fewer getting listed.

I wonder if this is why?

Anyhow, I'll do some chcking of my own stuff and see what happens. Thanks again!



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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That seems to be the size of it yes.

They should be available in minutes but are being delayed by days.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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quote
"The thing is that they are between 8 and 14 days behind"
unquote

In the information age, knowledge, is a ,,,,8 to 14 day,,, advantage over the other guy.

sad



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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I can understand why the ones in alaska might be down...they're probably in somewhat remote locations and I'm guessing don't get much maintenance...but as for the ones in idaho i really have no idea why...unless they are in remote locations as well and don't get much maintenance either maybe? It does seem rather strange though...but I guess you can never tell with faulty equipment so who knows

come to think of it though...since they are still reporting data they couldn't be broken...that's very strange...maybe the data form those ones have to be delivered by hand? and somebody only goes out once every week or 2 possibly?
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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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No this is not a maintenance issue. The stations are working. The data is being delayed. See these measurement figures from one example
The available measurements are thus:

Measurement Avail. Date Range
Daily Signal RMS 2009.239 to 2011.108
Daily Signal Mean 2009.239 to 2011.108
Daily Percent Availability 2009.239 to 2011.146
Number of Gaps Per Day 2009.239 to 2011.146
Number of Overlaps Per Day 2009.239 to 2011.146
Overall timing signal quality 2009.240 to 2011.146
Max Overlap 2009.239 to 2011.146
Max Gap 2009.239 to 2011.146

2011.146 is yesterday so this is normal. Measurements are being taken

But the data only goes up to 2011.135 which is the 15th May

Data Day file size (bytes) Collection System
2011.135 7,760,384 BUD
2011.134 9,358,848 BUD
2011.133 7,695,360 BUD
2011.132 7,373,312 BUD
2011.131 7,913,984 BUD
2011.130 7,754,240 BUD
2011.129 9,381,888 BUD
2011.128 7,828,992 BUD
2011.127 8,241,152 BUD

Availability, mean gaps overlaps etc all current to yesterday as you would expect them to be, but the data is not.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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You edited before I could mention him head butting the tanker. Yes I remember it well.

I think the weight of water thing is more for the Missssissssipppppii or however many s's and p's it has.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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Heh, well maybe this is one time the puppy can be of use to the big dog.

Rough! Grrrr. Grrrrr. Roughhh! Roughhhhhh!



Oh the drama. j/k


Most AK (Alaska Regional Network) stations are up and running fine, no delays. I just confirmed this in GEE prior to making this post. See for yourself and open GEE, add to network, and load em up. Their reports are on par with other seismic networks, and do not appear to be on any kind of delay. The usual delay of 30 seconds to two minutes (a/d conversion/digitizer, network overhead) is present, just like all other networks.

Occasionally I might see a lag behind station on some networks. Now as to the AV network (Alaska Volcano Observatory) reports from your other thread, have you confirmed the events at other stations, at all? Even one? Or are you saying that some seismicity is present at MGOD, but yet possibly being delayed and even edited out at another station?

What exactly are you saying? Cause AK is up, no problems other than a few stations being down- which have been for a while now.

As budget cuts and priority of resources becomes paramount, if it were you and me running a network, what would we do? Probably reduce area coverage by choosing to keep the most strategically located stations up first. S and P wave differences can still be calculated further from the sources, but are less accurate. That wouldn't be an unreasonable compromise, given no other real choice. We'd have to drop or leave unmaintained some stations.

AT (Alaska Tsunami Warning Center) network has some stations down, but the ones up are also working properly. Most networks need center calibrations, which don't get done enough imo. Especially when they can do it remotely on most if not all.

I recently sent an email to the AK team, asking why AK.HOM was freaking out and plunging into crazy numbers, and also asking for an explanation of why seismos do that sometimes. I got no response from the employees of my tax dollar at all. Instead, within a few hours someone pushed a button and the station returned to center.

I haven't checked on Idaho, so not sure about them. But if I were you I'd just pop up the networks in GEE, and you will know within minutes.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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Or are you saying that some seismicity is present at MGOD, but yet possibly being delayed and even edited out at another station?


No MGOD is normally, or I should say WAS normally available to get seismograms until a few months ago but now the 'realtime' data is 8 to 14 days behind. MGOD is currently running at 2011.139

It is NOT AK it is AV.

You won't get any of these in GEE.

Network Station Site
AV ACH Angle Creek Headwaters, Katmai, Alaska
AV ADAG Mount Adagdak, Regional Station, Alaska
AV AKS Akutan Strait, Akutan Volcano, Alaska
AV ANNE Aniakchak Northeast, Alaska
AV ANNW Aniakchak Volcano, North West, Alaska
AV ANON Aniakchak Anonymous, Alaska
AV ANPB Aniakchak Pleny Bear, Alaska
AV ANPK Aniakchak Peak, Alaska
AV AUE Augustine East, Cook Inlet, Alaska
AV AUH Dome H, Augustine Volcano, Alaska
AV AUI Augustine Island, Cook Inlet, Alaska
AV AUNW Augustine Northwest, Augustine Volcano, Alaska
AV AUP Augustine Pinnacle, Cook Inlet, Alaska
AV AUSE Augustine Southeast, Cook Inlet, Alaska
AV AUW Augustine West, Cook Inlet, Alaska
AV AZAC Aniakchak Zack, Alaska
AV BGL Barrier Glacier, Mount Spurr, Alaska
AV BGM Big Mountain, Regional Station, Alaska
AV BGR Barrier Glacier Two, regional station, Alaska
AV BKG Blockade Glacier, Mount Spurr, Alaska
AV BRPK Brown Peak, Shishaldin Volcano, Alaska
AV CDD Cape Douglas, Fourpeaked, Alaska
AV DOL Dolgoi Island, Mount Dutton, Alaska
AV DRR3 Deer Island, Mount Dutton, Alaska
AV DT1 Dutton Round Hill, Mount Dutton, Alaska
AV DTN Dutton Volcano, Alaska
AV ETKA Kagalaska Island, Regional Station, Alaska
AV FOSS Fourpeaked Summit, Fourpeaked, Alaska
AV GAEA East, Gareloi Volcano, Alaska
AV GAKI Kavalga Island, Gareloi Volcano, Alaska
AV GALA Lava Point, Gareloi Volcano, Alaska
AV GANE Northeast, Gareloi Volcano, Alaska
AV GANO North, Gareloi Volcano, Alaska
AV GASW Southwest, Gareloi Volcano, Alaska
AV GSCK Cape Kiugilak, Great Sitkin Volcano, Alaska
AV GSIG Igitkin Island, Great Sitkin Volcano, Alaska
AV GSMY Middle Yoke Creek, Great Sitkin Volcano, Alaska
AV GSSP Saddle Point, Great Sitkin Volcano, Alaska
AV GSTD Triple Divide, Great Sitkin Volcano, Alaska
AV GSTR Teapot Rock, Great Sitkin Volcano, Alaska
AV HAG Hague Volcano, Pavlof Volcano, Alaska
AV HSB Hot Springs, Akutan Volcano, Alaska
AV INE Iliamna North East, Iliamna Volcano, Alaska
AV ISLZ Lazaref River, Shishaldin Volcano, Alaska
AV IVE Iliamna Volcano East, Cook Inlet, Alaska
AV IVS Iliamna Volcano Summit, Iliamna Volcano, Alaska
AV KAHC Katmai Hardscrabble Creek, Alaska
AV KAHG Katmai Hook Glacier, Alaska
AV KAIC Katmai Ikaluik Glacier, Alaska
AV KAPH Katmai Pasha, Alaska
AV KBM Katmai Baked Mountain, Alaska
AV KICM Cape Miga, Kanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV KIKV Kanaga Volcano, Kanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV KIMD MID Benchmark, Kanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV KINC North Cape, Kanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV KIRH Round Head, Kanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV KIWB Westway Bight, Kanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV KJL Kejulik, Katmai, Alaska
AV KONE Northeast, Korovin Volcano, Alaska
AV KONW Northwest, Korovin Volcano, Alaska
AV KOSE Southeast, Korovin Volcano, Alaska
AV KOWE West, Korovin Volcano, Alaska
AV KVT Katmai Valley of 10,000 Smokes, Alaska
AV LVA Lava Point, Akutan Volcano, Alaska
AV MGLS Mageik Landslide, Katmai, Volcanic Group, Alaska
AV MGOD Gods Own Repeater Site, Makushin Volcano, Alaska
AV MMN McNeil River, Regional Station, Alaska
AV MNAT Nateekin Bay, Makushin Volcano, Alaska
AV MSW Switchbacks, Makushin Volcano, Alaska
AV MTBL Table Top, Makushin Volcano, Alaska
AV PDB Pedro Bay, Regional Station, Alaska
AV PN7A Pavlof North 7A, Pavlof Volcano, Alaska
AV PS1A Pavlof South 1A, Pavlof Volcano, Alaska
AV PS4A Pavlof South 4A, Pavlof Volcano, Alaska
AV PV6 Pavlof North 6, Pavlof Volcano, Alaska
AV PVV Pavlof Volcano, Alaska
AV RDN Redoubt North, Redoubt, Alaska
AV RDT Redoubt, Alaska
AV RED Redoubt Volcano, Redoubt Volcano, Alaska
AV REF Redoubt East Flank, Redoubt Volcano, Alaska
AV SPCR Ckakachatna River, Mount Spurr, Alaska
AV SSLN North, Shishaldin Volcano, Alaska
AV SSLS South, Shishaldin Volcano, Alaska
AV SSLW West, Shishaldin Volcano, Alaska
AV TACS Cape Sajaka, Tanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV TAFL Flats, Tanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV TAFP Falls Point, Tanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV TANO North, Tanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV TAPA Point Aries, Tanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV TASE Southeast, Tanaga Volcano, Alaska
AV VNFG Fog Glacier, Mount Veniaminof, Alaska
AV VNHG Harpoon Glacier,Mount Veniaminof, Alaska
AV VNKR Kametolook River, Mount Veniaminof, Alaska
AV VNNF North Flank, Mount Veniaminof, Alaska
AV VNSG Slim Glacier, Mount Veniaminof, Alaska
AV VNSS Summit, Mount Veniaminof, Alaska
AV VNSW Southwest, Mount Veniaminof, Alaska
AV VNWF West Flank, Mount Veniaminof, Alaska
AV WANC Wrangell North Crater,Mount Wrangell, Alaska
AV WASW Wrangell Southwest, Mount Wrangell, Alaska
AV WAZA Wrangell Zanetti, Alaska
AV WEBT Beartrack Creek, Westdahl Peak, Alaska
AV WECS Cape Sarichef, Westdahl Peak, Alaska
AV WESE Southeast, Westdahl Peak, Alaska
AV WESN South, Westdahl Peak, Alaska
AV WESP Westdahl Peak, Westdahl Peak, Alaska

AV covers all the archipelago across to Japan. All the volcanoes. Try getting AV into GEE. You can't as there is nothing available.

AK has very little in the volcanic archipelago.


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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Most if not all of those you list are listed in GEE in the station chooser. And most should be EHZ channels, correct? But now I do recall, actually, that I have not been getting AV stations for quite a while either. I kind of really forgot about it and haven't used AV network much in quite a lot of months.

But yes, I can't jack on AV network, no matter what channels I try. How about sending them an email, and seeing what's up? They might even answer you. Imagine that.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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From your previous post


I got no response from the employees of my tax dollar at all.


You think they will answer a foreigner? Sure I will try but the point is that does not detract from the fact that these wer available and now are being delayed. The fact that all of these are on volcanoes might be of some significance perhaps?



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Could someone please explain since all of this is over my head. Are you saying that earthquake monito sensors are either shut off or the information is being delayed for some reason. For instance if there were an earthquake some where in thr US it wouldn't be reported for 2 weeks. Therefore the only was to know that it occured by live witnesses if the info was allowed to be reported on.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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Not shut off no. All I am saying that the publicly available information which was being released immediately in real time is now not being released until 8 to 14 days later. It is still being collected but this is an important area as it has all the volcanoes that go in a line across to Japan. Since volcanic quakes are not usually very large most of these will not show on other networks thus whilst the seismologists can see what is going on we can not, and we were able to.



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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maybe it's a conspiracy!

no but seriously...maybe it is. i'm still on the fence about the whole HAARP thing but i'm leaning towards it being something bad. but i know that i've read a lot of posts talking about HAARP going "offline" right before and during some recent natural disasters/incidents.

are they trying to censor what we know is going on? i mean...that wouldn't make any sense??? why wouldn't they want the people to know what's going on? surely they want us to know the truth...



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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why wouldn't they want the people to know what's going on?


In this case seeing as there is a chain of volcanoes which these monitor they might not want us to see volcanic seismic activity, or that is the way it seems to me. Volcanic quake being smaller as I said this is something they can easily hide.

And then on the AK network you get seismograms like this at Baker Lake. No idea where that is. BRLK.AK..BHZ.2011.147

This is interference or possible heaters if this is in a cold place. Pretty isn't it!!



posted on May, 27 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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is this site not up to date with seismic activity?
www.avo.alaska.edu...

please ignore...stupid question....realise this is not what you are querying
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posted on May, 27 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Closed for Maintenance? For now moniter it but I honestly don't see cause for concern just yet. Let us know further details if you notice anything else weird later.
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