IAB Brings 56 Small Internet Publishers, including AboveTopSecret.com, to Capitol Hill, page 4


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reply posted on 29-5-2011 @ 09:09 AM by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



I have a radical suggestion for you, which I'm sure will fail as others have, but it would make the gravity of this clear to the vast number of internet users.

Silent protest!

You ATS owners, and a large consortium of other sites, and internet publishers select a date and time of your choosing... and collectively shut down your sites for a period of time, with all displaying the same single page which will inform all users about what is going on here.

A blackout, before the blackout.

Do it, and do this right, then watch the people take it from there.

Sometimes people don't realize what they have until it is GONE!




reply posted on 29-5-2011 @ 08:21 PM by 1Starman
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



What we need to do urgently is to awaken and make more people aware of what is happening and what may come about if they do not start doing something now.
We,with the combined vibrations,energies and powers of All beings who cares are behind you and True Freedom shall be materialised in the future but the fight must start Now.
Good work and keep on trying

7seven


reply posted on 30-5-2011 @ 02:03 AM by XmikaX
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



you talk about advertising then you dare to mention culture

after all your "intellectual twists", you could obviously not fear adding more contradiction to your system of thought.

how can that happen ?

I tell you : it is a lack of consciousness, a lack of culture

otherwise you would know, for example that advertising has destroyed culture everywhere it had been. has destroyed the independent craft man to the profit of the corporation.

but once again that's out of your scope just now... maybe you should see the world, with fresh eyes & mind, study some ancient artistic form of expression, learn languages... but unfortunately you are probably too old for those kind of challenges.

our discussion is useless because that very realization i'm talking about, that deep understanding of "paradigm" and how it conditions our perceptions, how our intellect is conditioned by it is not something i could ever convince you or anyone of your facebook followers about with words, it is something you only can realize within yourself through spiritual progress, experience, adventures... in other words, through life, its real deal.

philosophically, spiritually speaking, we are not evolving at the same level; you're a very average, superficial thinker, just get over it.

ps: lol the censorship of my posts in other threads, i like your conception of freedom of speech ! another "twist" of yours... in fact the anti-piracy bill is much more dangerous to your freedom yankee people than the advertising bill; have you been to capitol hill for that one too ?
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reply posted on 31-5-2011 @ 01:43 AM by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by XmikaX
you talk about advertising then you dare to mention culture

Certainly. Advertising in all forms has been part of the cultural lexicon for a long, long time. So much so that the pinnacle of advertising, Times Square, was "saved" by an alliance of outdoor/wildlife and cultural institutions from a massive rezoning some decades ago -- it was deemed a "national treasure" and today new buildings must have a minimum of very-bright advertising space.


otherwise you would know, for example that advertising has destroyed culture everywhere it had been.

That statement seems tied more to naive hopefulness than pragmatic reality.

Certainly, there is much to loath about many specific advertising campaigns. However, without the revenue of advertising, there'd be no newspapers, magazines, radio, television, or Internet -- at least, not as we know it today.


study some ancient artistic form of expression

Certainly have... pastel painting, pen & ink drawing, etc. Even two award-winning children's picture books which are now available free online.


that deep understanding of "paradigm" and how it conditions our perceptions

And just what philosophical framework could be formed to influence your perceptions of global culture and parochial strife without independent media outlets (existing because of advertising) to provide the core learning needed?


i like your conception of freedom of speech !

We (and I) vehemently support free and open expression of provocative ideas, with some very-minor limitations -- purposeful off-topic drift is one such limitation. "Free Speech" is not guaranteed here, however, free expression is supported and defended.


how fighting for freedom to spy on users behavior without their consent and with the help of google is equal to fighting for those same users freedom of speech?

You're parroting an exaggerated misconception. No one is "spying." No one is tracking specific "users." Our privacy policy is clearly linked on every page, by using the site, you consent. If you don't like the situation, you're free not to use the site.

This is a very important free speech issue, because:

(1) The government seeks to impose specific laws and regulations on ONE FORM of targeted advertising, which is the ONLY FORM of targeted advertising that is anonymous.

(2) The government seeks to impose those laws in an inequitable way such that major online media will benefit, while independent online media will suffer if not disappear.

(3) The government seeks to use these laws to silence the independent thought emanating from the millions of small to mid-sized websites where people (such as you) enjoy a cost-free way to publish their thoughts.

(4) The government seeks to impose these laws that will silence the independent web, EVEN AFTER the online advertising industry imposed strict self-regulation that went above and beyond that which was asked for by the Federal Trade Commission.



You seem to be confusing the concept of advertising with disdain for specific ad campaigns... of which there are many, but which are not the fault of publishers.
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reply posted on 31-5-2011 @ 02:04 PM by antar
reply to post by hillynilly



I am one of the members who spoke up, applied and was accepted as a independent reporter long ago from this site. That was honor enough for me. As far as becoming a MOD, what a thrill I would have with that however am not a good choice as I allow my emotions to override my actions and have garnered many warnings over the years when engauged in verbal disputes...

As for the rest of your response to me, thankyou.

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