Iraq war "horrific," could increase racist attacks in France: French PM

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Iraq war "horrific," could increase racist attacks in France: French PM

PARIS (AFP) Mar 27, 2003
The war now unfolding in Iraq is a horrific conflict like many of those seen in the 20th century, and a far cry from the almost surgical high-tech confrontation predicted by some of its backers, French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin said Thursday.
"Some people expected a speedy, technological war, a war of the 21st century," he said, addressing an official French human rights committee on the subject of anti-Semitism.

Instead "they are discovering one of the most horrific wars, like those that the 20th century gave us," he said.

Raffarin stressed "the horrors of a war that is taking place in front of our eyes, and in conditions which had not been announced."

The general public had not been prepared for the violence of the war, he said, and there was a real risk that it would greatly exacerbate racism and anti-Semitism in France.

"The images (of the war) really entail traumas, the consequences of which should not be underestimated," the French leader said.

"This is a very strong concern in the government," he told the French National Consultative Committee on Human Rights, which was submitting its report on racism in France.

The report says that tensions in the Middle East have led to an "explosion" in anti-Semitic incidents in France in 2002, with a six-fold increase over 2001 in acts of violence against Jewish property and persons. Of 313 acts of racist violence documented in 2002, 193 were anti-Semitic, it said.

Notice he doesn't point out HOW it is "horrific". Wanna know why? Because it isn't.

Welcome to the leftist propoganda machine.

This war has been exacting, and the most humane war ever fought on the face of the earth.

We've lost only 14 men so far, to seize nearly the entire nation, and we've killed almost NO Iraqis who didn't deserve it, we have probably killed thousands of Republican Gaurd though.

Stupid French, we should bomb them next.

France has needed no reason for anti-Semitism, it is trying to blame it on America is all.

France, while being in no way a part of any solution is trying to make it sound like those who are the solution is the problem.

The only solution France would like to be part of is the Final Solution.

the problem isn't that this war isn't horrific...of course it is. the problem with this statment is the distinction he tries to make. has anyone ever fought a war that wasn't horrific...all war is horrific. any time anyone is murdered that's horrific and if the masses are shocked that this war is horrific i feel sorry for us as the so call "most intelligent" species on this planet.

Sphroina what's your point? War is a necessity, all social animals fight "wars" from Lions to hyenas and ants.

Your definition of "horrific" is far off from other people's definitions, some guy got shot, and said "Only a nut would go back there" (Probably more leftist bull#) but look at WW2, people were going back to the front of their own free will while STILL wounded.

Horrific, is a relative term and this French propogandist is trying to coerce you to think Iraq is horrific, no, Battle of the Bulge, that was "horrific"...Antietem, that was horrific.

The French never fought anything "Horrific" anyways, their most horrific fight was either 100 years ago, or the Foriegn Legions (not even frenchmen), in Veitnam in the 50s, of course they'd think the death of Evil is "horrific". They'd probably think blowing Saddam's head off is horrific.

Don't buy into their propoganda.

The "horror" is what has driven us to this war. The "horror" is if we did not have to wage this war for our own safety. Were it not for the fact that Saddam is a threat to the U.S., the Iraqi citizen would only have more decades of torture and deat hto look forward to. That would be horror.

Saphie, war is not horror, it is merely the symptom of horror. Most are to weak-kneed to face the real horror. They'd rather just call war horror.

5pof: tell the family members of a murder victum that the crime is not horrific because only one person died and only one person did the killing...and thanx for the advice but my beliefs were well shaped before the French came along with what you call propaganda. war is murder that's a definate in my book. too bad i'm not the only one writting.

TC: is war the only way to cure these problems or is it the only way our leaders (Saddam included) choose to cure these problems? as you know, i'm for peace above all else. there is a way to "fix" the world with out killing folk. we need leaders with that mind set, not folk with the mind set that the French president expressed and our president recites. but, i'm a little before my time and i accept that. still doesn't change the way i see the world. i'll keep my rose colored glasses on, thank you very much, i quite content believing no one's death should be state sponsored

War is murder, well your definition just doesn't apply to much of the rest of the world. What makes you think it is Murder? Do you see someone innocently dying? Without a purpose? Bah.

what is a "purpose" to you may not be a purpose to those the bombs are dropping on. so who gets to say what purpose is good enough to dead thousands...you? me? bush? blair? who is godly-er than god? to say my life or your life should end because there is some purpose we need to war for. no one. therefore all war is wrong and the killing is murder.

ah, but you can't believe that. so why did you even ask?

Saphie, you are definitely before your time. Your time is the thosand year reign of Christ. Until then there'll only be two kinds of peace, either through victory or throught the tyranical suppression of resistance.

Saphroina, you can go back to Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union ok. I don't have time to argue with you.

Those who don't take up the sword for whatever reason, are ruled under it.

TC: i'm not waiting on christ to come back to belive like he did or to understand what he did and try to live like he did. i believe now. and plus, i don't believe all that revelations stuff anyway. i believe in the messages of Yeshua/Jesus and that's as far as i'ma go.

5pof: that's your bag. your thing. i didn't call you a nazi cause you believe war is an effective tool of government, did i? no, these are opinions. attacking me isn't gonna change things one way or the other. and you asked me a question. i responded politely because i'm a lady even though i knew the answer would frustrate you. don't ask questions when you know you can't tolerate the answer. also, everyone that disagrees with you isn't a nazi or liberal. most people can't fit into one slot on their best day.



[Edited on 29-3-2003 by Saphronia]

"If you will not pick up the sword for whatever reason, you will be ruled under it."

That is not an opinion. You simply are a "hippy-ish" person, who lives either in America or another nation, where during your life, the wars have always been "Over there" and so you don't understand why you don't have to fight.

You want to be ignorant fine, but the above quote, is not open to debate.

*EDIT* Oh and why don't you think more about the "Nazi//Soviet Union" comment? Ugh how did THAT go over your head?

If you won't fight for "freedom" or your "beliefs" then welcome to Nazism and the Soviet Union...because there'll be no America that's for sure.

[Edited on 29-3-2003 by 5POF]

Saphie is very much a lady. Whatever the debate or discussion, never forget she is a lady and treat her as such. She will always treat you like a gentleman, no matter your position on the topic.
While I, too, think she is a little unrealistic on these topics, she is always a true diplomat and person of character.

your quote is only true because you believe it. i do not. so therefore it's utter nonsense to me. i'm not a hippie. and i live in america but that has little to do with how i feel about murder. murder-bad...peace-good. simple as that.

Nonsense? LoL, ok, so when someone says for you to cut your fingers off, what do you do? Hippy-ish, you may not be the showerless druggie with hairy armpits that is the hippy, but you sure think like one.

In fact, actually where do you live?

Please tell me so I can excersise the rights of the male upon you....after all what are you going to do about it?

I hope you've learned something here...

...the rights of the male?

If someone suggested such a thing to your mother, how would you take it? Be careful.

5pof: i live in indy...and if you even think you can take me, then bring it. murder is one thing-self defense is another and i assure you i can and will defend myself.

I dare say Saphie won't have to defend herself. I'll bet there'd be loving people around her to stomp an attacker into a mudhole and then walk it dry.

That's what I think.

Please tell me so I can excersise the rights of the male upon you....after all what are you going to do about it? Posted by 5POF

I will go on record and say 5POF, you are out of line on this.

Any reference/threat/hint of sexual agression/assault is not winning you any friends or favors here.

I have been through an armed encounter because a couple of guys had that idea with my girlfriend at the time... it came within a couple of inches (literally) of becoming a matter of life and death... it is NOT a funny matter, and should not be discussed in such a stupid manner.